PMR is there NOT for classification purposes. hell, if PMR isnt there, they will just let people choose which stream they want. apela susah sangat?

In some schools, when people claim for their PMR results, the school officer will hand them a piece of paper, which may suggest them to science or arts stream, depending on their results. So the school has informed all the students that they have to achieve a specific grade to get into science stream before sitting for PMR exam only if they wish to enter science stream. Some students don't bother what they have said, and in the end, they want to get into science stream with a result that doesn't meet the requirements. They strictly die want to enter and ended up in a probation class. After a few months, they were sent back to Arts for not maintaining their results. What a waste! Have to buy perdagangan books again!! Most of my "form mates" whined and blamed the school only. Have they work hard to achieve the route they want to follow? No offense, it's just that science subjects are more complicated than any other arts subjects which contain formulas. If it's so easy, then what's the point of existence of PMR? Means, even "Ah Zhu Ah Mao" (those lazy@sses) also can enter then? I admit that I am considered a bright student, but a bright student can only success when there is an effort done. It's not easy to achieve a dream, even a genius.. as one of the LYN members posted just now.

Source: My friends who went for science probation, my school and KDU which required at least of 5A's for entering science (not included geo).

This post has been edited by ilovecookies92: Jul 13 2008, 05:14 PM

well, u just clarified my statement.

PMR is a measure of the students' abilities, but not for classification. schools merely suggests the streams according to the abilities of the students, yet the student can still choose to go into science stream if they want. truthfully, i'm an art (sastera) oriented student, but i have no problems in coping with pure science subject. it has nothing to do with science is harder than art, bcoz that's pure bullshit. i've seen students who switched from science to art who cant cope with it, and eventually switched back to science.

u see, if art is so easy where u can score lots of As, and the scholarships only look at how many As rather than what subjects u have, why dont everyone switch to arts? take extra 1-2 science subjects like physics and bio to keep ur options open, and u can score easily, right?

Seriously, most students just studies to passed their examinations not to fully understand what they are studying.

so u're suggesting we should abolish the exams?

people now engage in premarital sex with multiple partners. should we abolish marriage then?

Not really.. I prefer Practical Examinations than Written Examinations.

But seriously, what's the point of examinations if it's only purpose is to let kids study like hell and then forget about it.

I'm not against the examinations and not with it. I think that examinations are good but sometimes we have to many tests and exams.

Your case was a different case. You may get good grades but you chose Arts because of your profession. Yes, I have that option. But, I am not going to involve any occupation related to Commerce/Arts Stream coz I totally sux in doing business, being a solicitor and achieve sales target. It's a total waste of time if I study arts with some extra science subjects. Wasn't it better if I concentrate on all science subjects that helps me to apply for my future course? Some seniors (people who worked and had a family (around age 50++) told me that science students can change to arts. But arts can't change back to science. <<< It has been a statement that everyone talks about. For people who dunno what to do for future, they would prefer science which has a higher flexibility. Not everyone can study all arts and science for the sake of getting extra A's and claim a scholarship. Easy or hard subjects still require time to understand and concentrate.

As an example, I take 'Prinsip Perakaunan' as a try on one Arts subject. I think Prinsip Perakaunan is pretty an easier subject than any other science subjects eventhough I can master *not all A, some B's and C's*. Even Prinsip Perakaunan requires some time to study and eventually, that reduces my other time on other subjects. I have time arrangement and now it's full. Your option is good, but I am not a cyborg that can take unnecessary subjects to achieve lots of A's. I wish I could. But that will end me up into an unhappy study life.

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Added on July 13, 2008, 5:59 pmI have that experience, sometimes when I try to recalled what I have learned in form 3, I only can recalled Vitamin A,D,E, and K is fat-soluble vitamins. Can't remember all. Too bad.

This post has been edited by ilovecookies92: Jul 13 2008, 05:59 PM

Frankly speaking, PMR is too easy. I remember in my school there were 2 guys who are gangsters never study and came out straight A.What is the standard there when everyone studying like shit and they played like hell also get the same result?

and i must remind you that there is no such thing as

the scholarships only look at how many As rather than what subjects u have,

So are you trying to say, those art students who scored all a's will get scholarships in medic?

Different streams got diffrent scholarship.and who said Art is easier?If you are lazy, anything can be hard.

read carefully and think about it.

scholarship only look at how many As u score. university intakes look at what subjects u score. there's a difference.

i am sure that u wont see any stupid idiot playful Gangster unit/member/leader in good/high class University College......... if secondary school, different story....... haha

what i really think is.. they should put some practical tests in there.. not 100% written test.. otherwise student can just memorize like hell.. without understnding that topic.. and score
student without good memories.. lingkup..
what is the purpose of education if student only memorize.. but dont use their thinking skills..

Speaking of the issues of exams:

Take a look here:

http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/index.html

That's the VCE system as adopted by Victoria, Australia. 2 things that I would like to point out for comparison:
- Assessments are not purely via exam, but also by given tasks or projects to be completed
- No such thing as the splitting into Science or Arts streams, but students r allowed to pick from a rather wide range of subjects to be taken, depending on what they wish to progress into at the tertiary level.

So, basically the questions are:
- for those argument against exams, what do you think of such assessment methods instead?
- for those who argue for streaming, what do you think of such a system instead of the traditional and rather outdated science/arts streams?

I could agree with you more. There's lacking of something actually in our education system. They should have focus more on All-rounded student rather than implementing exam-based education which is of no use in my point of view. I'm currently 1st year student in local varsity. yes it's true tat in varsity, the education system is base on exams, assignments, quizzes and so on. But the problem that arise now is whether the assignments are done by the students themselves?

I have a senior who didnt do his assigns all the times but yet he is able to score high marks. This is because all of the so called Group Assigns are done by the active member of the group. Is it fair?? But of cuz u need to get a group member who's willing to do all the work as well.. The problem now is, will those lecturers notice such situation.

It's kind of worrying bcuz it's my 1st year now.. Such a senior is setting bad example of others....


Just sharing my thoughts

Again, u dun get what I mean, r u?
What i m trying to say is, there is a certain number they fixed for each stream.
For eg, JPA, art stream, hw many ppl....Scn stream hw many will get ..The number is fixed and again, is it possible for an art student to get scholarship for MEDIC?


Read carefully and think of it

How the heck in the world, an art student can get medic scholarship when he dun even study in scn stream?





So, u r actually telling me that art student can get free scholarship to UTP?

This post has been edited by solstice818: Jul 14 2008, 03:02 PM

no.
they should increase one more major exam for the gap of STD 3
don't include PTS.
however they should make every year, a major exam.
if we want to 'malaysia boleh' type.
and the standard should be like the ol days.
Recently, i found that pmr and spm is too easy.

u're still not getting what i mean.

if u're an art student, u wont even be offered a medic course. scholarships are only offered to those who been offered to do a degree. no scholarships will ever be offered to a person if they do not hold an offer. hence why i said there's a difference between the two, which everybody often confuse about.

but then again, if an art student could get into a science course in UTP and has good enough results to qualify for scholarships, they could get it.

here's an example:

if a predominantly art student with physics subject (only science subject) scored 12A1 and qualifies into a physics-based course, they stand a better chance at getting a scholarship than a science student with 10A1.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Jul 14 2008, 08:01 PM

Plagiarism is always a problem, but before addressing the issue of detecting plagiarism, there has to be willingness among the teachers to actually crack down on such.

The group assignments that I'm used to has got peer reviews as part of the grading system, where each person in the group will also grade each other member of the group by the amount of effort he/she thinks that they've put in.

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Added on July 14, 2008, 9:59 pmTry to think beyond just the divide between the Science & Arts stream for a moment. This' part of the reason why I had brought up the VCE for comparison, where instead of division into streams, students are free to take up a range of subjects, depending on what course they wish to enroll into at the tertiary level.

This post has been edited by fyire: Jul 14 2008, 09:59 PM

it should not be abolish ... student should face this kind of exam to test themselves about everything they've learned and if its abolished.. student might not student so hard cuz they dont need to do exam anymore

Well, its as I had said earlier, that the question to abolish or not cannot even be properly answered on seeing that there's virtual 0 clarifications on what the purpose of the abolishment is about.

Even with PMR and UPSR around, students still lazy and dun wanna work hard...Imagine if there are no exams..