dude...80 million we can buy many players.........wonder why shud we stuck with ronaldo.....( i dun mind him coming but its the amount of money tats worrying me)..............................

bcoz its RM's natural attitude of "must get wat they want"

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edited.. i tot this is man utd forum.. sorry 1000x

This post has been edited by MADReaLJL: Jun 24 2008, 10:39 PM

Hola fellow Madridistas . . It's been a while didn't drop by.

Seems everyone in Euro 2008 fever . . Of course, Espana! San Casillias has done it again!

Btw, how's the website goin' on? Fellow Admins (Miccy & Verx)

How the hell you don't take Galacticos as a failure.. Yes we won several cups at the beginning but at that moment we're the greatest with some of the world class players together.. It was until Zidane that we are invincibles but after that it's beginning to fade away.. All those glories are the topic of yesteryear and now people will only recall madrid's name in the summer because we have the tradition of making the most shocking summer transfers..

We have a squad that have a very tight bond.. With Ronaldo introduced in the squad, the bonding will fade away when Ronaldo cast his ego spell in each and every heart of Madrid's player.. Sooner or later it'll be like the second successive self destruction plan and we Madridistas continue being frustrated with another god knows how many years of cup drought..
But on the other hand, he can help us win titles, that's for sure but that doesn't indicate that he's the only one that can land us titles.. Any other superstar also can do that, just to be left out of this topic only because lack of publicity.. Before Russia knock out Holland from the quarter finals, how many people do you think knows the name Arshavin? He's the perfect example of my explanation here.. Now everybody wish to have him in their squad..

This post has been edited by gto87: Jun 25 2008, 01:53 AM

u sound very matured and have very good points ... must remember ronaldo is quite huge ... i as man utd also disappointed in the interview he had after the champs league ... instead of thanking god and vds saving the pens .. he was talking abt the goal he scored ... anyways best of luck to madrid of getting him ... hopefully can get 100mil euro .. that is like wow ... lol ...

I didn't say the Galactico project isn't a failure, it is. All I'm saying is that it failed not because there were too many egos too please but because of the squad which was put together were merely a collection of individuals.

I agree with Verx that the Galactico project was a growing phase which has now brought us the top of the money league. I would hate to see three barren seasons go to waste if we end up not the most financially powerful club in the near future therefore I think we need Ronaldo to maintain our status quo.

I don't see why Ronaldo's ego would destroy the team as a unit. He is very professional as a player and he trains as hard as the best of them. Raul will definitely approve of his work ethic for instance. Besides all great players have big egos. There's no exception to the rule.

You don't see why? Let say all our midfielders and wingers are in top form and some of them have to sit on the bench for a long time just because we depend too much on Ronaldo, you think our dressing room will be the same like now? It's not a big if.. Things did happen to us when Figo wants his position back but Madrid decided to let Beckham play almost all the game which by the way led Figo's departure.. Another thing is Ronaldo is a very hardworker and never seems to be easily satisfied with his achievement even his development is almost down to perfection.. So he will never let his place robbed by somebody like Robben or Robinho(if he stays with us).. Some players will back those two and our management and the other half of players will back ronaldo.. So things will turn from heaven to hell sooner or later.. It's not a big "if" I'm talking about.. This is a fact that will happen to any clubs that that holds many star players..

I know where you're coming from but the fact is even with everybody in top form we don't have many options on the right. Robinho and Robben prefer to play on the left. And Robben is injured half the time. Robinho has a more disruptive ego imo and seeing that Robben got some playing time off of him, he had a chance there to show his dissatisfaction but chose not to; although now he's saying that he wouldn't mind leaving. That's also another reason why I wouldn't mind selling Robinho and if he really was sold then I don't really see a problem with Ronaldo coming in. If Ronaldo comes and starts performing nobody is going to complain.

That's the point man, if Ronaldo is going to perform for us and keep others out of the starting line up, who's going to complain? It's like you're saying Ronaldo should not come because he's too good.

I agree with you lots. I don't see any problems with Ronaldo to fit in Madrid's system. Yes, dissatisfaction happens when a club with big-big stars are unable to play. But as what have verx and soulsareworthless said, if Ronaldo managed to perform week in week out, I don't think that anyone would ever complain. As per usual, club is bigger than anyone. The irony is, Ronaldo thinks he's bigger than United. Well, that's what the tabloids had printed. We will see some 'real rumors' soon enough.

The things is, with Ronaldo in our squad, it doesn't mean that we have an option on the right as Ronaldo play the
same role as did by Drenthe, Robben and Robinho.. If Schuster push Ronaldo to play as a SS/AMF in order to give Robinho or Robben (assuming that drenthe will still be left out) a chance to play, they might be filling the gap on the right but the three cantera's product(granero, Javi garcia, De la red) will be left out for quite a long time until an injury come between Ronaldo, Robben or Robinho.. I know those cantera's play a different role compared to these 3Rs but IMO schuster won't change his decision and formation just to give these guys some chance to play(same happen to saviola and Soldado and drenthe).. Maybe they will play in the spanish Super Cup but don't you think they deserve better than that?

Ronaldo's transfer is only a matter of time now, but Robinho and drenthe's departure seems to be uncertain..We'll have a bunch of world class talents in the same position playing the similar kind of gameplay.. don't you think that gonna cause a chaos in our team? -that's my main point-..

Another thing is, by doing so we will ruin a bunch of players career! Don't you it's a bit cruel for them.. As a footballer I see this things in a serious way. No Madridista wants to hear people labeling us the "career devastating club"..

So to sort things out, we have to sell Robinho+let drenthe on loan or something(Robben can play as a RW) in order to purchase Ronaldo, so that we don't ruin the young souls that just came to our holy land!


off topic -- Frankly speaking, even if Ronaldo doesn't come I've been losing more and more respect for Robinho. The player who fought his boyhood club to leave and now is ready to departure just b/c he aren't paid a couple of months after he finally done some right things for the club.. WTH


You said it, how if he thinks he's bigger than us if let say his 1st year in Madrid he pull of the same level as his last season achievement with ManU? Hey it's good thing but somehow I can see this kinda attitude gonna annoy some of our players and fans a bit.. Finally, would you be still supporting him if he done the same thing like he did to ManU in this past few weeks?

This post has been edited by gto87: Jun 25 2008, 08:45 PM

I thought is has been his dream to play in Spain? He reiterated the statement for a couple of times already. As a United fan, I know'd that he'd leave us someday as he is not United material as Rooney is. Well. at least I thought so. But, when the tabloids printed out that he wanted to leave A.S.A.P. and that caused ruckus esp. among the fans.

I can't really predict what will happen in the future but playing in Spain has always been one of his wishes. So, I don't think that he'll betray Madrid.

CRonaldo:" I have dreams ... but some dreams comes true and sometimes it does not..."

This saga is still hanging by a thin line. It's not entirely down to Ronaldo you know. Even if he says he wishes to joing RM, he would still need to wait for United's decision.

i agree.. the galacticos age is a failure.
almost half of the team is reluctant to run during the match.
imagine, when becks is still at RM, he's rated one of the TOP MILEAGE RUNNING RM player in the field BY FAR. the others are walking or crawling i guess.

zidane is magical, but dint bring much to the team.
i would prefer Luis Figo a lot more. but his age took him away...
n they sell him for free...

ronaldo could prolly follow up what Figo left behind in RM.
players to sell in RM, i think robinho is the most posible one.

plays good attking football last season.
but his attitude..... really troubles me.
since he still have the value.

i was kinda wondering, who would be sacrifice from the starting line up since, Ronaldo shud be signing in for 1st team. not super sub.

here's something for reference:
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_3734692,00.html



This post has been edited by ahnien: Jun 26 2008, 02:57 AM

I thought our lack of options on the right flank were quite evident this season which was why Schuster opted a asymmetrical 4-4-2/4-3-3 style. We played with only one winger most of the time and we left Ramos with alot of work to do on the right flank. Replacing Robinho with Ronaldo would be a good way to balance the squad. And even if Robinho doesn't leave we can just modify the formation by giving Raul less minutes. It's this flexibility that would be key to our next season. Competition for places are never a bad thing imo. The players know they are playing for the biggest club in the world after all.

And you're wrong when u assumed the cantera players we brought back would compete for those places. All 3 of them are central midfield players which would mean they would be competing with the likes of Gago, Sneijder, Guti and Diarra.

As for Saviola, Soldado, and Drenthe, do u really think they are good enough to be starting for us? As I said they know who they are playing for. It's up to them whether they want to stay and accept getting minimal minutes or they can easily request for a transfer. That's how football is. Don't get me wrong; I like Drenthe for instance. But the most important thing is for the club to succeed. You just have to take a look at Man Utd's squad and see the depth they have especially in midfield. That's what it takes for a big club to be successful.

This is just a case of ppl seeing what they want to see. If u ask me every club is pretty much the same. Some players will succeed, some will not and u won't know which will so u got to cast your net as wide as possible so to speak.

I won't lose respect for a player who thinks about his future. He has every right to. No big deal imo.

I don't see how Ronaldo thinks he's bigger than Man Utd. If anything it's that he feels he's achieved all he can at Manchester and sees this as an opportunity to join his dream club; the club he supported as a boy. I think MU have played their cards pretty cleverly and have managed to portray Ronaldo in a bad light to their fans in order to prepare them for a sale that might happen. That's just my opinion.

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Added on June 26, 2008, 10:47 amLatest transfer news:
We have sold Balboa to Benfica for 6ME. Good price

This post has been edited by verx: Jun 26 2008, 10:47 AM

Yeah it's quiet evident we have a big hole on the right and my point is even with Ronaldo we won't able to fill the gap b/c Ronaldo plays the same position on the left flank.. We actually improvising that position.. Am I wrong here? Can you explain a bit how we gonna fill the right flank with Ronaldo in the squad maybe I don't get your idea yet..

Haha, you got me wrong totally.. IMO everybody agrees on watching Ronaldo+Robinho+Robben+sneijder+Gago in the MF position.. So to make it possible, Schuster might have to change the formation or somebody's position.. For me, he will change Ronaldo to play as a SS/AMF (CR7 done it in ManU) so that there is room for Robben and Robinho to fill the gap on the right and left.(they'll switch throughout the match).. So this will left Granero, Javi Garcia, De La Red, Guti, Diarra competing for only 2 position in the starting line up.. It's good to have backup, but to have a lot of them is a waste actually.. That's what I meant.. Maybe I'm wrong but there's still a slight possibilities to happen right?

Finally....

The way I see it is that we currently have 3 players who are more comfortable on the left flank: Robinho, Robben and Drenthe. Schuster has normally opted to play Raul and RVN upfront with just 1 winger leaving the right flank almost empty. He has tried Higuain on the right at times but it was clear it wasn't his best position. Balboa have got a few mins playing there as well but he's not good enough to start. With Ronaldo coming in we suddenly have a natural right footer who is comfortable playing on the right. He won't be just stuck on the right of course but the fact that he can play there brings alot more balance to the side. We can play 1 upfront with 2 players on the flanks for instance. We will be able to stretch defences better that way.

I don't think we'll play a flat 4 in midfield. Schuster normally played with 3 in the centre (with 1 being the anchor). So there would be 3 positions for them to compete but I have a feeling 1 of them might be sold by the end of the transfer window. Let's just wait and see what happens

That is what you think? Having 4 more years of contract and playing 'cat and mouse' with the club and fans is what makes him bigger than the club. Nothing wrong with having ambitions but please please please proceed it properly. Don't play around with fans and club.

If it wasn't for SAF and the staffs plus the fans, I'm not sure whether Ronaldo will be where he is now. He has talent, no doubt but I would think he would be a different player if he still stays in Lisbon. Well, that's my opinion.