Our V6 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/680010

Introduction

Sugar gliders are little marsupials that have been taken as exotic pets in many countries. These creatures are different from normal pet rodents like hamsters, mice and rats. They have character, mood swings, emotional bonds and the sweetest nature for a pet that comes in such a small package. Commonly mistaken as flying squirrels, Sugar gliders can be both easy and hard to take care. Their general care is much more complicated than pet rodents and they require alot of affection and attention from its owners. Look at it this way, gliders are like 3 year old kids.... they act cute and can annoy us sometimes while at the same time needs our total attention and bond.

Sugar gliders are tiny gliding opossums from Indonesia, New Guinea, New Zealand and Australia. The gliders that we get as pets in Malaysia are mostly from Indonesia as the other countries limit or does not allow native animals to be exported in the pet trade. Wild sugar gliders live in colonies of 6 to 15 animals in tree hollows or other nests made of vegetation. They are nocturnal so will mainly spend most of their day time asleep, only waking up at early mornings and late at night to forage for food.

An adult sugar glider is about the size of a flying squirrel, approximately 5 to 7 inches long from tip of nose to base of tail. Adults in proper body condition weigh about 120g. The tail is fluffy, often curls on the end and usually is longer than the body length.

Sugar glider joeys are normally a nice slivery grey but as they age, they will shed away this soft joey coat and replace with their true colours. Some glider colours that we have here are the normal greys and a few shades of browns. Some would turn brown if they constantly stay in coconuts coz it stains the fur. You should not worry about the colour for each sugar glider is unique in its own little way.

Where to get a joey? What age and size?

Petshops and suppliers do sell Sugar Gliders but please be aware if the age and size. Some shops may tell you that the younger the joey, the better but do remember, these animals when young needs milk to stay healthy. Also, our local pet milk or cows milk is not suitable since marsupials cannot tolerate lactose that is higher than 3.5%.

A guide to know which is the right age and which is not.


Never get a joey that looks like this:

Original photo by Hun







Photos as reference from www.glideruniversity.org

Underaged sugar gliders..... never get joeys that look like the ones in these pictures. They still need their mother's milk and warmth, they need more attention and more work than properly weaned joeys. Those pics, the joeys are only 3 weeks old Out Of Pouch.... joeys should be separated when they are more than 8 weeks Out Of Pouch... and that is the minimum age. The best age is actually 3 months....

Some people have experience their joeys dying... WHY? Coz the joey is too young, it is depressed and stressed.... a joey that young that is depress will not have any appetite for food, will catch cold and die coz it gives up living.

You should be getting joeys that look like these:


Orginal Photos by Reanne


Original Photo by Hun

Do get joeys that are older than 8 weeks Out Of Pouch. Never trust what petshops says. If you would like to get from a supplier but have no idea how to see the age or if the seller is responsible, do PM Reanne, krynzpeaches or crazymouse_yyh for guidance and information.

There are many sellers and suppliers here in LYN, so please beware of them. Some may tempt you into getting an underage joey by giving you false information. Some may sell you a pair package in order for a quick sales. Do your research first before buying.

There are a few good homebreeders here but they only have a few joeys available once or twice a year, so this is why it is hard to come about homebreeders.

Sugar Gliders as Pets

Tame Sugar Gliders just make the perfect pocket pet for they can travel anywhere with us in a little bonding pouch. They got happy little personalities that love to play and have physical contact with us. These creatures need attention. They are 100% social animals that live in small colonies in the wild. When we keep them in captivity, we must be able to give them a lot of attention and time. Play, bond, touching and feeding are all little things that we must do each day in order for our gliders to be perfect little healthy pets.

Gliders can live 10 to 15 years in captivity so they are considered a long term commitment. Make sure you can actually care for the glider for about 10 years before you get one.

Gliders are not like dogs, where you can train it with a leash and harness or collar and they can do tricks and come when called. Sugar gliders got minds of toddlers or young children. They need to be socialized and trained as soon as you get them but do not train them as if you would train a puppy. No, they would not react to "Good Boy/Girl, shake hand and beg" kind of training and tricks. Gliders require a soft human touch when training. They can be trained to know their names, just be patient and repeat their names when you cuddle them, handle them, feed them and during play. Gliders will never know where to defecate and relieve themselves like cats and dogs. Litter boxes would not work. These creatures would do it anywhere they please.

Also, gliders are not really domesticated so they do have a few wild habits like scent marking, chewing and gnawing on items or us and also climbing all sorts of high places.

A fact to remember, sugar gliders glide, they do not fly so don't be a genius and try to make your glider fly like a bird. Sugar gliders have a gliding membrane that connects their front paws to their back feet. They will spread open when there is a need to glide. This is why harnesses and leashes should never be on them for it could tear the membrane and hurt them.

Important items to have before purchasing a glider!

- A bounding Pouch and sleeping pouch
- A large cage suitable for the glider in the long run
- Fruits and glider mix (eg: GliderSLURP!™) with supplements
- A container of mealworms or crickets
- Knowledge on sugar gliders and joey care
- Get in touch with someone that has experience with gliders.

Males or Females?

It is best not to get a male and female pair. Why is that so? Well, a glider can live for 8 to 12 years on average. A glider can readily breed once mature, some would start breeding at 8 months old while some start only at 2 years. Yes, it may sound tempting to have little joeys but can you be that dedicated? To sell one off can also be heartbreaking for you. So to avoid such pain and also overbreeding for gliders, you should either have a single sex pair or get the male castrated if with a female.

Is there any difference with males and females? Physically yes, females have a pouch on their tummy, it is like a belly button-kind of opening. Males would have their testicles looking like hanging cherries. The males when they mature, would develop a bald patch on its head. This is normal. The bald patch is the scent gland. Males have another scent gland on their chest and also at the anal area. Females do have scent glands to but only at the anal area.

Males musk, means covering their scent all over their territory. Females will mark but very little.

2 males can get along well if there are no females around. But 2 males can fight if a female is about coz they would fight over breeding rights. 2 females get along well too.

If you want to keep a male without all the musking and territorial attitude, get it neutered at a qualified and experience vet. Remember, your pet can live up to 10 years so make the right decision.

If you are thinking about breeding, please please please do read the caresheets and also research more on glider breeding. This is not simple and in the long run, over breeding can stress a glider and can cause it to have a short life span. Not healthy for them.

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General Breeding Information

In this forum, we do not encourage breeding if you do not have the time and knowledge but here are a few websites to guide you if you are curious to know. Also it has pictures and about joey growth:

http://www.petsugargliders.com/sggrowth.php

About milk for gliders:
http://www.pygmypets.com/sg8.html

Good Care Sheets:
http://www.sugarglidercentral.com/wiki/ind...ider_Care_Sheet
http://www.exoticpetvet.com/breeds/sugarglider.htm
http://www.sugar-gliders.com/sugar-glider-care.htm
http://ksks.essortment.com/sugarglidercar_rdxi.htm
http://www.sugargliderbabies.com/info.htm
http://www.thesugarshack.com/
http://thepetglider.com/index/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/cont...tegory/5/19/64/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/cont...tegory/5/25/64/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/content/view/36/64/

Housing

Adult gliders can tolerate a temperature range of 18�-31�C. If you ever keep in an air condition room, never keep the cage directly under the air flow of the glider could catch a cold. Recommended temperature for an air cond room with gliders would be 23�C to 26�C. Gliders in air cond rooms would need warm bedding like fleece or old tshirts to keep them warm in their pouches. Why pouches? Firstly, it is soft and warm, it is also very comfortable and easy to clean and wash. Try and avoid hideboxes for hamsters and birds, coconuts with holes, plastic bird houses. These things just causes your glider to hide more from you and it is hard to clean and also to get your glider out of the hidebox or coconut. A timid glider may become over protective of it's coconut or box and will be harder to tempt it out than a glider that is in a sleeping pouch. Fabric for the pouches should be absorbent materials such as fleece or cotton because it keeps humidity from building up inside, and also "breathe" so that moisture and smells don't build up. It's also easy to wash. If you use materials such as plastic or glazed ceramic, your gliders will eventually take on a brownish tinge as their fur is stained by the trapped moisture, and they probably won't smell as nice as they should.

As for cages, the bigger it is, the better for gliders! Do not be fooled by people saying that hamster cages are good enough or fish tanks. Even small bird cages are too small for them.

Here are some pictures from the Internet as an example of suitable cages:


Dimension: 30"Length x 18"Depth x 55"Height.


Dimension: 18" x 14" x 34"


Dimensions: 60" tall x 30" wide x 30" deep


Dimensions: 19" X 28" X 72


Cage is available at Pet Shack(Sunway Mentari), Pet Safari(Ikano), Petaling Street petshops, depending on quality, prices are around RM100 or more.

Websites on sugar glider cages, even a How To page:
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/sugarglider...rglidercage.htm
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/sugarglider...rglidercage.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/facehugger/cageplans.html

You can use coconut decorative pots but make sure they are not glazed. Polished ones are ok.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...=post&id=214243

You can get creative with cage accessories. You can use plastic link chains, twine rope, nylon rope, hammocks, flower pots... the list just goes on with your creativity. Check out Garage Sales for sleeping pouches that are a must have for gliders.


Wooden toys for birds do make excellent toys for gliders.

Gliders are arboreal, they need lots of climbing exercise. You can get hold of ExoTerra Vines and make a creeping perch for your gliders to climb up on. Get hold of safe non-toxic branches and use natural fine twine to create climbing ladders or stands, make it up to your own creativity.

Besides climbing material, gliders do love to run on wheels so getting a quality wheel is good for their health. The safest wheel for gliders are Wodent Wheels, which are available only at Pet Shack. So get yourself a wheel. No other places carry this wonderful wheel which your glider would enjoy running and playing on.



Bedding and Cage Substrate

Now it must seem that sugar gliders look like rodents, so some petshops would recommend you to buy hamster wood shavings for your gliders. This is a very big mistake. Never use hamster wood shavings on gliders for the wood would secrete phenols which could cause lung damage in the long run.

Gliders love to sleep in their hideboxes or coconuts or sleeping pouches but they do love it when there is something soft for snuggling. Do not give our normal bath towels. You can just use plain old soft tissue paper. Fleece pieces could be made into blankets. Another safe material would be our cotton tshirts. Get 1 of those Rm3.90 cotton tshirts from Carrefour or Giant hypermarkets and cut the shirt into little pieces. Make sure there are no strings or holes in it. The reason why tissue paper, fleece and cotton tshirts are recommended is that very often gliders like to chew and kick around the material. Stringy towels or holey cloths would tangle the gliders, causing the lost of limbs or worst, death from suffocation. Also, never use sponge or pure cotton.

As for cage substrate, always make sure there is a wire mesh separating the gliders from the substrate at least with a 1 inch gap. You can use plain old newspaper, corn cob bedding, Breeder's Celect Recycled Paper cat litter, Litter Star silicon cat litter pellets or Careline Wood base cat litter. All this can be found in Pet Safari.

For cage accessories, you can contact krynzpeaches

For cages good for gliders, you can contact jtl

Diet/Nutrion written by krynzpeaches

A good and balanced diet can make all the difference not only to humans, but Sugar Gliders too! This will ensure a healthy and long happy life as well as a more clean and slightly better smelling environment

Like the saying "We are what we eat..." So don't take lightly on their diet.

Sugar gliders thrive on sweet substance just like their name, however they cannot take simple sugar like we do, the sweetness must come from natural sources such as fruits. In the wild they require sweet substance from nectar, tree sap, manna, honeydew and fruits, so in captivity, to simulate as close to this, we must provide them with a variety of fresh fruits daily.

Sugar gliders are omnivorous meaning, they don't only need fruits in their diet but insects too for their protein intake. In the wild they get to chase and eat a variety type of insects, but in captivity we normally give them farm raised* meal worms, crickets or boiled chicken meat for their protein. Although there are other types of insects that can be given to sugar gliders, unfortunately we do not have them available here in Malaysia.

DO NOT feed your sugar gliders insects that is captured in your backyard or house compound area, they may contain harmful pesticides that can cause illness to your sugar glider.

For captive sugar gliders, it is also very important to provide them with a daily staple food which can either be a pre-set feeds** that are meant for omnivorous animals or mixes. Unfortunately there is NO pre-set feeds available for sugar gliders in Malaysia. Luckily mixes are something that we can whip up ourselves or be purchased on LYN To make your own mixes, there are plenty of the recipes available in the net, however, personally I feel that we need to make a few adjustments to the recipes in the net to accommodate our sugar gliders in Malaysia. Watch out for cereal, alot of baby food cereal in Malaysia contains milk and soya, which is not good for a glider's health.

Here's a breakdown of the 3 main food category intake for captive sugar glider. Always feed to a ratio of 60% fruits and vegetables and 40% protein. (Increase the protein to 50% for breeding sugar gliders especially moms with joey/s In Pouch or Nursing.)

1) A fresh source of fruits or vegetables. The fruits or vegetables are best to be chopped into grab size pieces as sugar glider likes to grab hold of their food by hand to eat them.
*For a list of fruits and vegetables that is has been fed to our local captive sugar gliders plus some remarks about it, click on the spoiler below.*



2) A fresh source of protein. Farm raised* mealworms or crickets or boiled chicken meat. Be sure to always gut load your mealworms or crickets first before feeding your sugar glider

3) A daily staple of mix. (This is a must since we do not have any other pre-set feeds** for their staple diet.)

Vitamins and Calcium supplements (and other supplements) is a need for captive sugar glider to ensure a balance and healthy diet. Most of the food sources provided still lack of vitamins and especially calcium. By giving them these extra supplements, we can ensure them of a long and healthy life

Most recommended vitamins and calcium supplements (like Vionate and Rep Cal) are unfortunately NOT available here in Malaysia, however there are other brands that has been found similar to these in Malaysia which is Repti-Vite and Repti-Cal. Vitamins and calcium supplements are normally sprinkled on top of their daily food serving. Not more than a pinch per glider and not more than one serving per day. Means if you have added the supplements to their mix, DO NOT add them to their other foods. Too much of the supplements can be as harmful as not giving them at all.

Another great supplement that can be added to their diet is yogurt. Yogurt is high in protein and calcium plus bacterial cultures that promotes the absorption of calcium better. You can feed them plain low fat yogurt or choose to indulge them in some naturally flavored ones. Not more than 1 teaspoon per glider 2 or 3 times a week only. Avoid getting fat-free yogurt. The best are low-fat yogurt for our gliders.

Finally, ensure that fresh clean water is available at all time. Water bottles such as the ones used for hamsters are highly recommended compared to water in dish bowls because water in dish bowls will get easily contaminated by their food, poo and pee.

Some NO foods / CAUTION foods and why.

1) NO corn - Although sugar gliders will readily dive into it, we must not include corn in their diet because the phosphorus content is higher than any other food, thus do not offer any benefits to sugar gliders except more phosphorus that could lead to bone deficiency.

2) NO avocado - Very high in fat.

3) CAUTION on grapes - Although there is still research going on about this, we must caution on the intake of grapes or raisins due to some death in sugar gliders that points to some of the substance found only in grapes. I'd say better safe than sorry.

4) NO iceberg lettuce - Non nutritional value and can cause watery poo!

5) NO chocolates - Chocolates are a NO-NO to all animals. It causes a toxic chemical reaction in most animals.

6) CAUTION on high fat content food - Nuts especially are high in fat. Some will offer sun flower seeds to their sugar gliders, but do this sparingly and strictly as treats not a part of their diet.

7) NO fried food - Again, very high in fat.

8) NO cat or dog food as a staple- Although most commercial breeders feed their sugar gliders with cat or dog food, they just merely want to substitute the fresh food that needs to be prepared daily, to something easy and lasting to eat without considering their long term health and not to mention - Cheap. Cat food is designed for cats, same goes with dog food. They are not meant for sugar glider. Not to mention that cat or dog food can cause lumpy jaw (because it is hard), intestinal blockage and kidney failure in the long run. You can ONLY feed it as a treat.

* Farm raised mealworms or crickets are those you can buy from our local pet shops.
** Pre-set feeds are those commercial dry staple food specially for sugar gliders.

Diseases and Disorders - written by bonai -

Sugar gliders are excellent in hiding their illness, so make sure you're always alert about your gliders when they are sick. If your pet shows signs of illness, do not give it any medications unless prescribed by your veterinarian. Remember that with the appearance of any clinical signs, a qualified veterinarian should be allowed to make a definitive diagnosis. Identifying and treating diseases in their early stages is the key to successful treatment and cure. Like many other exotic species that become ill, sick sugar gliders are very fragile, and require prompt veterinary attention.

Obesity (Same). Treatment -Avoid overfeeding; enlarge living space to encourage more climbing and exercise.

Hyperparathyroidism (Weakness, muscle tremors, fractures). Treatment - Caused by nutritional imbalance and calcium deficiency; review and correct diet; calcium supplements.

Head alopecia (Hair loss in the center of the head). Treatment - Normal in some males; identifies the location of ascent gland.

Abdominal "lumps" (Apparent lumps on the stomach of a female glider). Treatment - Again, this is normal; these "lumps" are baby sugar gliders in their mom's pouch!

Lack of or decline in appetite. Treatment - Can be caused by stress (lack of companionship, too much light, temperature fluctuations), may cause blindness, damaged teeth, other illness.

Enteritis (Diarrhea) Treatment - Caused by parasites and/or bacterial infections; treat accordingly; improve sanitation and reduce stress.

Overeating/overdrinking; pacing; excess vocalization. Treatment - Usually caused by boredom; insecurity (lack of adequate hiding places); lack of social interaction; housing too small; correct underlying cause.

Blindness (Partial or complete loss of sight) Treatment - Thought to be dietary in origin; often seen in obese gliders.

Rear-end paralysis (Weakness or paralysis of the hindlimbs) Treatment - Due to poor diet coupled with a lack of exercise; stress may also play a role; treat by correcting diet and increasing size of living quarters.

Incoordination (Falling from branches; bounces into walls) Treatment - Can be caused by blindness, rear-end paralysis, obesity, foot disorders, sprains and fractures; treatment should address the underlying cause.

Recommended vets:
(these vets are known to treat sugar gliders)

1) Dr Yeoh

YEOH VETERINARY CLINIC & SURGERY
126, Jln SS 24/2, Tmn Megah, 47301 PJ, Selangor
Tel: 03-78048684
Fax: 03-78052350
Dr Yeoh can neuter male gliders safely.
Call to make an appointment

2) Dr Jenny

HANDS "N" PAWS
C-17G, Jalan PJU 1/45,
Aman Suria Damansara, 47301 PJ
Tel: 03-78046539
Dr Jenny can neuter male gliders safely.
Call before you go coz Dr Jenny is not always around. She works on weekends.

Sugar Glider Events!



Coming soon! Workshop and gathering at Fluff Pet Shop, NZX. Date should be around September or October.

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Sep 4 2008, 02:28 PM

Pet shops that carry glider accessories.


Pet Shack
www.petshack.com.my

View the map to know.

Carries cages, a nice variety of sugar glider accessories and necessities and GliderYUMMIES! The only shop carrying WODENT WHEELS for gliders, hamsters and hedgehogs. Safest and most recommended wheel.

Contact: 603- 5637 4536

Operation Hours
Tue - Sat : 11am to 8pm
Sun : 11am to 6pm
Mon : Closed

102 Block A Mentari Business Park
Jalan PJS 8/2
Bandar Sunway
46150 Petaling Jaya
Selangor, Malaysia

Pet Safari
They carry certain items and accessories for gliders. You can find good sized cages, substrate for cages. Metal bowls and bird toys.

PLC Pet Safari (KL) Sdn. Bhd.
S1, IKANO Power Centre,
No. 2, Jalan PJU 7-2,
(Level 2), Mutiara Damansara,
47800 Petaling Jaya, Selangor Darul Ehsan, Malaysia.

Tel: +603-7724 1578
Fax: +603-7724 1527

Operating Hours . 10am - 10pm

Pet Epicure
http://petepicure.wordpress.com

You can get glider cages, GliderYUMMIES! and order accessories that you need for your gliders.

* Tuesday to Friday - 11.00am to 7.00pm
* Saturday and Sunday - 10.00am to 4.00pm
* We are CLOSED on Mondays and Public Holidays

Phone number is 03-41072973 and email address is petepicure@gmail.com

253 Jalan Bandar 12,
Taman Melawati,
53100 Kuala Lumpur.

Reserved for updates.

yay! congrats!

muahaha!! long live glider owners & their suggies.. hope this thread will help a lot!

This post has been edited by bonai: Jun 19 2008, 11:55 PM

dear all

congratz to this new version
wish this thread will full of
info
and
info
and
info

best of luck all of the people that contribute idea and info to this thread

with love

xena




This post has been edited by mamata: Jun 20 2008, 12:01 AM

CONGRATZ on new version

V7 already..
wOw~
congratz


This post has been edited by ikeyz: Jun 19 2008, 11:57 PM

fuuuuyoooo...!!!!
congrats..!!!
V7

Yeay.. congrats..

congratZzzz...~~~
new V.... more knowlage..~~~
wooohhooooo...~~~

OMG!?! What did you guys do? One day I dont login, a few pages were added and now a new thread? OMG!!!

I had just finished playing with my gliders. We were together for 2 hours and as usual, they did their biz on me. I was on leave the whole day today and spent probably the longest time with them.

Will post up pict tomorrow. Nighty nightz people!

yay... damn fast .... but i like.... congrats v7

Great! pictures here..

well.. those that seen pics from petster event.. then we went somewhere else to continue our ride.. journey of our glider story! =P



tmrow will be continued here..

tmrow has now became history.. =P sorry for my busy-ness.. more pics from petster unofficial gathering at 'some where' =P


Tak ACI! saya nak naik jugak! emino.. kakaka.. budak kecik yang besar.. =P


phew.. we saved them.. and spread the knowledge as well.. =)


The gang.. gathering 2nd time round! and attracting lotssaaa attention.. =)


gimme that snack! or i groom u till u jadi botak..








wat's this fella's name d hun? i forgot.. i kinda brain freezed up now d..


This post has been edited by thisiskj: Jun 29 2008, 03:02 AM

reserved for more pics..


WATSUP! =P
Gotcha! caught in action! lurve this pic.. hehehe =P eating mealworm..




DONKEY EARS! that's Hun's reaction to this lil fella.. hehehe




eeek! more pictures i hope wil be coming! =P







This post has been edited by thisiskj: Jun 29 2008, 03:06 AM

and even.. MORE PICS! =P hehe not spamming ya..

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Added on June 20, 2008, 1:09 amboo hoo hoo.. who knows where's the picture of my new baby from reanne.. i wna seeeeeeeeee =(

This post has been edited by thisiskj: Jun 20 2008, 01:09 AM

V7 cool~!! keep it on... my baby still act like a batman...haiizz dunno is it inspire by batman movie already??

oh i bump into who already the other other other day.. like few weeks back.. pets wonderland now actually started to care bout underage in mid valley.. n their place of habitat no longer house glider that can sleep on a lampu.. it's good actually.. great to see a lil improvement in that..

here i'll post up page that contains glider tat being mistreated.. and etc.. so people can see

congrats on the new thread!!!
btw.. kj.. how come I din see any pictures that u posted? @.@

it's currently in my flickr.. wait.. i post more here..

oh wait.. it might be invinsible to ur eyes.. =P try rolling ur eyes n see.. can u see it? =P

i can only see ur post but no any pictures... and just edit ur post la... keep on posting like this consider spamming plus looks like u keep on posting n posting

i'm actually spamming for space for me and us to be able to see it in the 1st and 2nd page.. dun need move far.. =P but yes.. i'm postin.. but.. in the morning first ah? bfore i go to work.. i got to sleep now.. quite tired.. need to resize and all.. k k muchan?

now u can view it at..

http://flickr.com/photos/12084604@N05/

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Added on June 20, 2008, 2:09 amcomment there also la.. k k? thanks.. i'll post up stuffs that u all might haven't see last time also.. the pics i took from pet shops.. and etc..

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Added on June 20, 2008, 2:11 amdo comment in my flickr.. haha some pics quite farnee

This post has been edited by thisiskj: Jun 20 2008, 02:11 AM

Congrats on new version (eventhough I'm a lil late).

The suggie eating the slurp so cute! And the picture of all the suggie big big wan~ I so wan a suggie... my dad says ok but my mum says no till now.

Just a question, but how often does a pair of suggies reproduce? I think people keep their males and females together all the time right? So that means they'll reproduce non-stop.

Congrats on V7.. Been with SG Thread since V5.. hehe

Hun, when is the official SG gathering most probably be? And where is it to be held?? Can make it to July or not?? Coz me work la in dis 2 coming weekends.. Afraid cant meet u all, the SIFUs and INTERMEDIATE SIFUs again.. I missed the Petster event d.. Coz i know u all still have the official one, so am trying to be there dis time.. huhu not again kua for me to miss.. Working for getting money asap for SG!! Hehe

compromise for me please, please, please...


Kelvin

Can I add some info here Hun? From my experience as newbie, there's some stuff newbie like me want to know, but feel really segan to ask around..


a) What should we expect to buy?

1) Cage
2) Food bowl
3) Water bottle
4) Cage stuff (sleeping pouch, hammock & tunnel)
5) Bonding pouch
6) Breeder Celect Litter
7) Food (fruits, mealworms, slurp etc)

Ohhh, and suger glider of course..

Good to have:

1) Wodent Wheel (actually this already become must have now )
2) Toys (must be really careful on this, one will always tempted to buy every toy available)


b) Budget

Expect to spend around Rm300 to Rm600 for stuff mentioned above, depends on what you want to buy..please noted that the amount stated are not include sugar glider's price...chewahhhh macam iklan pulak..


So? Betul tak info nie? Anything to add?



Eka

This post has been edited by ekazakaria: Jun 20 2008, 02:32 AM

Jamien, as I know.. those who kept pairs they have separate cages... and even they put pairs in 1 cage, the male have been neutered to prevent accident happen.. hehe this all I know..

mealworms always buy 2 days ahead the time u want ur glider to eat em.. cause they need to gutload and cleanse their system as well! so before u get any glider.. make sure u have equipments wit u and the knowledge importantly well equip with u bfore u get one!

@Jamien : Hi, there... Hehe According to SIFU HUN, any healthy SG thats being cared by responsible owners can reproduce for 2 litters per year... And if ur female is very healthy and get nutritious food, sometimes she can reproduce up to 3 litters..

But we can always interfere in their breeding livestyles as not to overbreed and caused much stress to the SGs => we can opt to [if u have MALE FEMALE pair]:

(1)separate the male from the female {not advisable coz they have been bonded to become a proven pair d-will further stressed out both},

or [better choice]

(2)neutering the male {females cant be spayed coz of their complicated reproduction structure}, but neutering cost RM RM and u have to know every operation have risks... hehe

If u haven't have any yet, u r advised to have a same sex pair..

Go check out these Title :-

(1)Males or Females?

and

(2)Breeding Information

At 1st Page got some further explaination.. Me just testing my knowledge without looking for info from previous posts.. SIFUs, if wrong correct me r.. I'm gonna brainstrom myself to know more.. Do remind me if wrong ya.. Thanks


Kelvin

This post has been edited by kelvin_faye: Jun 20 2008, 02:46 AM

Ok ok. Thanks for the info. I just wanted to know because people do seem to like keeping animas in male female pairs.

Plus if I'm getting I want 2 females. I smelled Hun's male smell... Not pleasant to wake up to. Like.. grease... and something else. her other hammie in Pet Shack that day was ok. I know males mark territory and "family".

Unless my bf wan a male then he keep his in his cage my female in mine lo (when I get in future. Hehe...)

Cis. I dunno new thread already up! *subcribing*

waw new thread!! congrate!!

Hi, Im really new to this forum and taking care of a sugar glider. I saw one at The Mall last Tuesday and completely fell in love with it. I bought it and call it Stich and Stich is 2 months old. Stich is so cute and I want to take good care of it. Currently the guy who sold it told me to feed it with apples and Heinz Apple Yogurt for Babies. May I know is there a pet shop that sells sugar gliders food and equipments in KL? Im staying at Pantai Dalam.
Thank you so much for your reply.

hai my stich..
u can read 1st page
a lot of information there..
also adress shop that u can buy food & SG equipment

welcome to the thread.

Actually, you need to feed more stuffs rather than just apples and that baby food. Please refer the first page. It has all the info regarding diet, proper housing, care and where to get all the equipments.

actually im shy la wan join u all gathering together... bcuz u all already 20++... im just 18.... still study....
and also im new in this SG...

i want to know what brand Cereals that i can give my SG..
i want put in my own nutrion...

it seem sg commitee is build up fast... we must have gathering sifu hun

Dont need malu-malu lah... Malu bertanya sesat jalan!

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Added on June 20, 2008, 11:04 amMak aih, whoever said you can feed cereal la? Not good la I think.

This post has been edited by emino: Jun 20 2008, 11:04 AM

welcome to glider thread

why u want to shy? me also 18 .

better stick to 3 type of food

mealworm, fruits,slurp and some supplement if u want

tq so much onezkatana n emino. does Pet Shack sell mealworms/vits for SG? im going there tomorrow to buy more stuff for my baby. i want my Stich to grow up healthy n cute!!!

dunno lar.. but feel a bit shy when bringing my SG... everyone must be looking at me...

hehe
took Ecah out for tent time last nite..she wanted me to feed her under my tshirt..n she actually fell asleep with a piece of plum in her hand..haha
a few times,with her eyes closed..she continue eating the plum..soooo cuuteee!!!

have u feel the electric shock when they climb on ur body? on ur chest and waist area?

Never..
Were man... tahan....

bukan rasa geli.
Dia macam satu shock ke jantung ,terutama bila dia kat bahagian rusuk ,jantung area.Terus rasa susah nak bernafas ,jantung jadi laju , boleh la try.
Sambil baring letak sg kat bahagian dada ,rusuk dekat dengan jantung ,biar diorang main dekat area situ

kalau takder effect ,then it just me.geli lain ,shock lain

i never experiece it plak mamata.
erm..cam biase jer.

hmm.. maybe just u kot...

At home i always play with gizmo shirtless...(jgn pikir bukan2)
Until now I never feel like shock or something just got a lot of scratch je la.

kena wat health check up a pasni
btw time baring jer rasa,bediri tak pulak
ok thanx

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Added on June 20, 2008, 11:04 am
Mak aih, whoever said you can feed cereal la? Not good la I think.

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bukan cereal cam kellog tu.
makanan budak2 tu(bijirin untuk budak)
pernah terbaca dalam ni..
but lupa what brand yg dierong guna
ingat variasi kan nutrion yang aku buat ni..

This post has been edited by onezkatana: Jun 20 2008, 12:53 PM

wow just now 1st time i heard Ecah barking..
she is actually my bro punye sg,n i'm still bonding with her..i think..
she's sleeping sooo soundly under my shirt..then she start barking..
mybe she's hungry..coz when i feed her a bit of plum..still under my shirt..hehe
she quickly grab it..now,as i type this..Ecah is happily munching the plum under my shirt..
maybe she think i'm a tree kot..hihi

This post has been edited by thejamz: Jun 20 2008, 01:30 PM

Wah liou, V7 dy!!!

I'm not feeling very good, no strength to reply ler...

Mebbe tonite or tmrw...

So much to catch up then

Ekkk!


KP

oOo.. u sound like u're having a lil wrong Diet for ur glider there.. make sure u give Meal WOrms as well.. and PLEASEEE read page 1 please.. if not.. go to google.com and type sugar glider pleaseee...


anyway guyz.. or hun.. is it safe if i wash a rubber band and let my Glynx play with it? hehe she love the rubbery and stringy rubber band to play with..

i bought super worms.. but it seems glynx dun even wana smell it and totally ignore it.. and jump away from the worm.. sweat..

Congrats hun! for the Sugar Gliders V7.
More Information


This post has been edited by hazzy: Jun 20 2008, 04:56 PM

Grats on v7 people

2 more question from this humble newbie to hun

Be sure to always gut load your meal worms or crickets first before feeding your sugar glider.
What does gut load really means?

Sorry for the stupid questions, tapi u told me to ask if tak faham

and 1 more question, which yogurt that suit the best for gliders? what i mean is, which brand?

This post has been edited by hazzy: Jun 20 2008, 06:45 PM

@hazzy : GUT LOAD means the time u first get ur mealworms [for SGs, Gerbils, Hedgehogs or whatsoever that eat mealies], u cannot feed them straight away to ur pet(s), but u have to FEED them nutritious food for AT LEAST 2 DAYS before feeding to ur pets.

U have to gut load them for at least 2 days. GUT LOAD is feeding the mealworms to make them more full of nutrients and avoiding feeding contaminated mealies to ur pet(s). Coz the mealies bought straight from shops are not all 100% healthy..

By Gut Loading them, u can see after the 2 days period, some will turn black = die. Some will turn to white = grow bigger. So only after this period, u can savely feed mealies to ur SG.

What to Gut Load?
(1)Bread
(2)Rolled Oats
(3)Kitten Kibbles
(4)Veges
(5)Fruits
(6)Hardboiled Egg white
(7)Organic Vegetarian Supplement

P/S : Food that is too big or hard, i always smashed into smaller pieces.. Hehe using hammer.. hehe

Me been here since V5.. Wanna get a SG too but I can wait. Not on IMPULSE.. Wanna be 100% ready and 100% commitment to them!!

SIFUs, if got any comments on the above opinions, please advise ya..

Brainstroming again.

Cheers

Kelvin

My suggie - 'Giant'.

Giant and her mate on left side.

Giant with her babies.

Giant chilling inside fanny pack.


Cheers

This post has been edited by boigamaniac: Jun 20 2008, 07:49 PM

Look so...... GEMOK!!!

that means.. one month out of pouch u selling d?

thank you
anyway, after gut loading the meal worms, kite asing2 kan yg dah mati la?

Clever Boy....

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Jun 20 2008, 08:09 PM

Woah thats gonna be alot of works to do.

its ok, as long sugar glider punyer pasal. tarak hal punyer.

Not a lot of work la.
As long u hav passion, patient, commited...everything will be fine..

anything for the suggies

trying out my first pix with my newly N series..
enjoy this pix of MengChai hogging the yogurt..

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Added on June 20, 2008, 10:43 pmCoincidence..

Talking about "no strength", this has been my most "listless" week. Down with terrible influenza.

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jun 20 2008, 10:45 PM

lotsa owner-to-be here...

hope you guys are well prepared..
i mean you know what to do when choosing(buying) a joey..
what to do when you first bring the joey back home..
and other stuffs like that...

I'm having a bad headache now... but I'll reply what I can. Plus today my connection sucks again. Stupid internet line.

Suggie gathering, we still looking for a venue. Having in open space like outdoor cafes or restaurants won't work. Let me have a chat with some people to see if we can find a space or not.

Don't be shy, there is nothing to be shy when you are with fellow glider people. All sama sama friend friend mah.

Cereal.... baby cereal. Yes, you can give but not all gliders would take coz it is tasteless. Go for Heinz baby cereal. If you can only find Nestle, please read the ingredients.... it must not have ANY MILK!

Yogurt, for me any brand would do but best is choosing one which is low fat or full cream. I normally use Nestle and Marigold. Fat free is pretty useless coz gliders need the fat content from the yogurt. It's beneficial for them.

Count me in the next one.. if the up coming one I can't make it.

"what r u looking at ? nak kena penumbuk? "

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Jun 21 2008, 12:05 AM

waa mau mtk sikit itu buah bole kaa..??? mau share sama wa punya sukie...

sukie is female..~~~ heh

Cute picture there.. looks so innocent..

"Can. can. come, come.... "

"sorry ...i share with male only ... coz i female..."

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Added on June 21, 2008, 12:39 amJust like her papa...

"Betul x Gizmo sayang.."

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Jun 21 2008, 01:00 AM

oo...haha... ok2....
peace..~~
BTW cute sG u hv ther... =)

Gizmo say thanks~

Cute name too Gizmo, like the Gremlins character!

yup, i use dat character name for my suggie.

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Jun 21 2008, 12:58 AM

iyer..!!! so out d name...
got no other name or what??

hmmm.. maybe i can change it to TJ.
Is dat cool...? hmm.. TJ name is so.... old school..
So i stick with Gizmo.

This post has been edited by sharil_routh: Jun 21 2008, 01:12 AM

eh guyz.. we never see evan here already ah.. wonder how's his gliders.. or did he gave up and sell it off d?

There are quite a few people who have gone MIA..... maybe got bored?

Anyway, I have updated my blog on calcium intake for gliders. Read up if you guys wanna know. Next I will touch on milk and dairy products as well as dog kibble.

cant sleep..~~ feels like being called by the suggies..~~
waaawaawaaaa..~~~zzZZzzZZzz

evan i see him post a couple of weeks ago

hope he still take care of both cutey

i saw him posted in malaccan pet owners...
i think he still keeping joey n micah in good condition...