We got alot of normal greys and black beauties, a few white tips. Keera is suppose to be a butter cream.... but I have no idea true or not LOL. The shades of grey varies. I think we shouldn't worry about the colour.... if we like them as pets, colour shouldn't be something to worry about. I was attracted to Keera.... well.... I don't think it was her colour, more like her unique face and ears.... love at 1st sight

Sure sure. Later will post pics once they are OOP.

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Wondering where to find camera... LOL.... need to take pics of Bubba, he has grown so much and put on a nice amount of weight. I expect him to be 60g when 8 weeks OOP.

Anyway, I already updated my blog, in case anyone was wondering why no updates LOL.

A glider won't sit still on you when in front of a PC. My gliders would jump away to explore my room. They only sit still if we move around or are in an unfamiliar place.

Luna still don't fancy mealworms? LOL... then I think you should give crickets a try..... but crickets harder to keep and they smell worst.....

Corn, you can give a few niblets(4 or 5) once a week but make sure you pair it up with something high in calcium like papaya or yogurt. This is coz you have to balance out the Phosphorus level with calcium level.

He looks adorable with a mischievous face.

The bird toys are safe, the colouring is a vegetable base dye, like food colouring. It is safe for animals.

Wah.... piggy back, sign of wanna mate lo.... coz you can already see his bald spot, means he is close to sexual maturity. Keep an eye..... How old is KC ah?

Hahahah.... You will get BoBo soon.

Hoho.... that's breeding age already loh. Plan to neuter?

What you mean aggressiveness?

Oh.... I thought what aggression.

The male would chase the female, to smell her butt and also to piggy back on her.... actually, is not really piggy back, is really mating style.


Photo example from http://www.petsugargliders.com - Jennifer Bender

The males would chase the female to smell if she is on heat or not. He would then start to scent mark her and sometimes groom.... then mount on her like piggyback. Some females are scared or not ready, so they would run away or protect themselves with hisses, crabs and defensive pose.... but normally it doesn't really work coz the male would still mate.

She chase coz she wants to play with her new friend lah. LOL.

So small? Pity..... alot of suppliers do like to sell joeys that small because, again, there is the fragile and vulnerable look, the baby look.... people's heart also cannot tahan.... that is why we must educate people about glider age.

Whoa.... rejected at that age...

Yah, not every breeding is perfect.

Read this to understand more:
http://www.petsugargliders.com/sgrejection.php

Every animal is not easy to breed. There are always consequences, drawbacks and sad times. Many just don't understand coz either head too busy with money or just plain excited till never think of the health or death....

Poor thing.... that young means maybe just open eyes, with flash, it would hurt the retinas.

Anyway, you can use flash on animals, just make sure you do not use too often at 1 time. I use flash, as it is found to be safe if we use it a few times. If we take like 20 pics without stopping the flash, then it can make the animal a bit dizzy.

Each glider is different mah. She may not be a nosy and adventurous as Casper.... and gliders like to come out when no one is around so she could have been roaming about when you already asleep.

Firstly, yes lah, to discourage breeding for newbies.... but also, I haven't really come up with a breeding article for the 1st page.

Joey rejected by young mom, a common reason that I have read. Pity the joey. Luckily you dapat rescue it. I have heard so much stories about glider either cannibalize their joeys at that age or just ignore till starvation....

Try this method.... stop slurp for 1 day. Only offer fruits. No mealworms too. I am sure she would have to eat the fruits.

Do not expect a joey to stay still like a doll or sleep in your shirt pocket all the time. Gliders are curious animals, they would of course explore when given an opportunity. So if your glider or joey is not bonded to you, it would most likely jump away to either explore or hide away from you. Read up on bonding and read the 1st page please.

If the joey would just sleep curled in your hand, and never want to jump away, just cling to your hand, then that joey is probably underage.

Hahahah.... for me, without dogs, my life is never complete.... but without gliders in my life, I would feel empty.... now with all my gliders, I damn syiok everynight playing with them hahahah.

How is Dexter doing? Still naughty?

Cepat beli wheel lah..... maybe kawan also so she won't be bored.

Gliders can adapt to us. I mean, don't go training a glider to be active during the day and sleep at night like us lah, that is wrong. You can actually wake your glider up during the evening to play. I don't really have a fixed time to play with my gliders. I just wake them up if I want to handle them LOL. But feedings are all fixed. Day time feeding not so fix.... normally feeding of mealworms and some kibble is around 6am to 9am coz it depends on my day LOL. At night usually around 12 I start to prepare their food. Alot of bowls.... I have to prepare 10 bowls for 10 gliders LOL.

An update on Bubba. Today he is 52g.... how old? 48 days old. He is on the right weight track. Anyway, this is the first time I am keeping a close record of photos and weight, all for my research on joey growth.


He is now bigger than my handphone.


Look at his well developed body.




Hanging on my willow branch for pictures.

Hahaah... if I breed donkey ears, can only breed her next year. Firstly, my also find a partner for her that has that same donkey ears LOL. Bubba will be going to Sara and TJ on the 26 of July, kena postpone loh hahah.

3am and play till 7pm? No naps in between? You play with him or let him play in his cage?

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Jul 9 2008, 12:06 AM

OMG... people people.... I was browsing Pet Lovers forum.... and 1 guy did the silliest mistake.... buying on Impulse without knowing the consequences....

He wanted a glider but everywhere joey seemed too expensive for him. So a petshop told him that they can help get him RM160 for a pair but he must pay first so that they can get it for him in the next few days. The crazy thing is this newbie that has no clue about gliders really paid RM160 hoping that his dream of getting a glider comes true. He didn't know he actually paid for wild adult gliders.

Don't you think this guy made a mistake? 1st he pays for something he doesn't know.... 2nd is he got no clue that he is getting wild adults..... and now he is asking is it true that adults are hard to tame...... It's so depressing to see people make this kind of mistake just because they couldn't afford to save up their money to purchase a properly bred joey.

I wonder what would happen to the adults after his purchase... I don't think he would be able to handle them if they escaped from their cage or has to do cage cleaning.

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Added on July 9, 2008, 12:13 amHaahah...3am to 7am sounds better lah. I thought whole day play till never sleep. Ok, then his routine is pretty normal.

About running the wheel, it is good exercise so there is no need to worry. Stoney looks wonderful and healthy.

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I use digital scale... pricey if you get from Cosway if you are not a member or have any friends who are members. It's about Rm50 with a member's voucher.... but about Rm100 plus for non-members.... Or you can try ebay or lelong.com but alot do not do CODs but bank-ins and postage..... Ikea has digital kitchen scales but about Rm100 plus each.

I kinda geram when I saw this kid's post..... People, read and how would you react?

Kid


Me


Kid


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Can you imagine he nak guna hamster cage for gliders...... teruk teruk..... I doubt his dad would build him a large cage if his dad is busy with his pet birds......

Anyway, today another sad sight.....

I went to Brickfield's petshop.... saw the worker using hair dryer to dry the gliders. The gliders were all wet.... I asked why he use hair dryer.... he said he mandikan them and was suppose to sun them but it started to rain so he hair dry them...... can you imagine the stress? The gliders were super duper stressed up.

Then I saw small cages with coconuts, then I ask, are those for breeding? He said they use small cages to separate the female that is pregnant..... and there got some joeys inside, he said will be ready soon. Sigh......

Then I headed to the stall that is at KL Sentral's outdoor bazaar that is connected to Monorail.... there got extremely small joeys, they got nothing to hide in but a hanging food container, all masuk in and cramp gila. I think there were more than 10 underage joeys.... they are as small as a small dwarf hamster, Bubba looks 2 times bigger than any of the joeys.... from their tails, they are roughly 4 weeks OOP only.... selling for RM300.... but so sickly....

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Added on July 9, 2008, 8:19 pmAbout the name, up to you kalau nak change but it doesn't really matter lah. It is what you really like....

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Jul 9 2008, 08:19 PM

Ye ke? Wah.... so fast get stock.... people were like "Wah, so cute. Nak beli ke tak?" Sigh.... and yah, alot of chipmunks, very cheap loh. Rm200 for a pair but their health.... dunno healthy or not.

Last time the bazaar there open coz of Deepavali and when Hari Raya Puasa.... then now become permanent. After the bazaar become permanent, this stall set up sell pets big time. Last time jual je ikan laga, green RES terrapins and hamster.... sekarang banyak exotic..... sigh.... they used to have Guinea pigs too but I only saw rabbits to day.

I think why they sell pets there is coz rental is super cheap compared to a real shop..... that is why they can put the price low.

Sigh.... alot of people get on impulse.... I really wanna slap that kid to wake him up..... dunno jadi or not. I just replied, a bit harsh I think.....

Jamien, I did that once.... there is this petshop near my place call AD.... they had this tiny tiny 3 week OOP joey in a super tiny carrier hamster cage with shredded newspaper. Then 1 customer ask, "Senang jaga tak?" and the shop owner said "ya, senang je. Glider ini suka orang, tak akan lompat lompat, manja macam baby."
Then the customer was super interested and held it.... then the shop keeper continued "Makan anggur sahaja. Tak boleh makan apa apa lagi"

I was like ... WHAT????

Then I said in a polite manner:
"Sugar glider tak boleh makan anggur, tak sihat, boleh sakit. Kena makan banyak jenis buah, makan cengkerik and ulat dan bila besar ia kena ada sangkar yang besar seperti sangkar kucing 3 tingkat..."

The customer was like "Ye ke? Wah, macam susah, tak mau lah"

Then the shop owner looked at me with knives in his eyes.... I quickly paid for my plastic bowls and exited LOL.

Means Sasa more dominant loh..... BenBen very timid, so he let SaSa take the lead. This is common, I also got 1 pair like that. Naya is so fat and good looking while her mate, Pama is thinner. Naya don't snatch food from Pama, is more like Pama let Naya eat first, then only he will eat the scraps later. No matter how much food I put in, Pama would always stay slim while Naya is always fatter.

Wow, I can't wait for pictures.

You tak pernah pergi? Must go and see.... the sight of the joeys.... depressing gila.

Anyway, the Brickfield's petshop don't have good staff.... I think they are foreign workers and just do what their boss tell them.... but the hair dryer thing was plain stupid.

If you don't wanna use kain, can always use MahJong paper.... is thin, light and easily available, I think 1 large piece is like 50 sen?

Not every glider like super worms loh..... but if you buy and they do not eat, then just throw in your garden, birds will eat them. For superworms, you must crush the head so that the worm won't bite back your glider.

Ok, noted. I'll come up with something.

Yah, most of us do that. Feed mealworms and slurp for 1 meal, next meal of the day feed veggies and fruits....

Hissing.... does she pee or poo during the hissing? Sometimes hissing, depending on the tone, is like calling over to you.....

KL Sentral's pet stall sell RM300, yes, cheaper than most shops but damn bloody small. Tame? No.... they are not tame.... they are just underage till dunno how to fight back. All they can do is stone or crab to defend themselves coz so small. The sellers there all no knowledge, they are just selling plainly to earn a living. If you can spend RM300, why never spend RM300 to support a proper breeder? Why let such unethical sellers earn RM300 and sell you underage joeys?

You may defend yourself about the joeys, but I do go and see those joeys sold once a while and being a breeder, I can tell their age just by seeing their size and tail.....

You better post a pic so we can determine the age. Why? Coz it is important for us to know, see if it still needs milk or not. If you do not provide proper food, it can die young..... young means not in a few months but it means it may never live up to 10 or 12 years.... maybe 2 years then become sick? Calcium deficiency? We are not bullshitting in this forum ok.... we got the experience and also knowledge from researching and keeping gliders for a few years...... Research for a week is not enough to know everything.

Ah, my pics out of focus.... hope you will post soon.

It is a sad sight.... so small, makan apple.... they won't get any nutrition.... Even Dr Jenny said, gliders on a diet of mainly apples can get bone and joint problems.....

And from my experience, I have heard gliders dying from eating apples only.

Yes, it is good to teach them if they terbeli.... but if we teach them to nurse and care so they can buy 1 underage joey to experience the nursing and caring, then that is very susah loh.....

You should have gone yesterday.... tiny and kesian.... some wet looking.... 1 was terribly hungry, trying to eat the apple. Poor thing....

Alot... coz of the demand.... even in LYN here one member is a supplier, he is letting go of joeys at 3 to 4 weeks OOP so that people can nurse them to tame them.... rubbish man.... pure evil.... just think of money.

Here, only we can help.... which is we must educate people to stop supporting such sellers....

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If you guys really no choice, like desperately want a joey.... then try looking at petshops that sells proper age joeys. I have been to Petaling Street.... there is a petshop that sells all sorts of animals but they do not have a sign board.... kinda old shop. His joeys are 8 weeks OOP but be warned.... they are not easy to handle as the shop doesn't handle them.

I don't really encourage people to get from such shops but then when I see people plainly buying underage joeys, it just makes me sad to see people falling for the "cute" trap.....

Now that's a better picture than mine.

Yups, those are underage... bought 4 weeks OOP only and they got smaller bodies than properly bred joeys coz they got separated from their mom too early.

If put Bubba next to those joeys, Bubba is 2 times bigger loh.....

Maybe Teddy too excited lah.... sometimes it happens. This happens with Kapi.... so when I feed mealworms to her, I always use forceps. Keera is a good girl heheheh.... Oh, she got her pic taken in this month's Petster mag.

Wei, get Petster mag, your nephew's pic with your glider ada LOL.

Alot of petshops would turn away.... but it can be done. We have to make friends with the petshop to see if they would take our advice.

But I strongly believe if we stop buying underage joeys, then we won't experience dead joeys in our hands but the petshop would... then it would make them lose money and they would stop taking joeys.

This REALLY happen to a petshop near my house..... since all her joeys died before being sold, she has stopped selling. So we should try our best to educate as many people as we can about underage joeys. If we see someone about to purchase, pull him or her away politely saying that you wanna speak to them in private outside the shop.... then explain to him or her about the consequences..... I did that a few times and it works too.

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An update on BoBo:

Last night when I was feeding BoBo, I notice that he was continuously licking his anus alot and hissing often.... I actually saw him doing this 3 days ago but he didn't do for long and just ate and slept normally but yesterday night he did it for some time. I took a torch light and checked him..... and it gave me a scare!!!!

BoBo was licking and chewing his anus! Luckily I could get hold of Dr Jenny, today she came and took him for treatment. He is stable now but will be under Dr Jenny's care for a few days. Luckily he did not chew off his anus but it was the skin around the side that he chewed off. Now his butt is red and raw but thankfully no prolapse.

What caused it? We came up with a few reasons:

1. Stress from leaving 1 home to another.
2. Could be constipation so he was licking, trying to get harden poop out.
3. Could be a bacterial infection.

I already informed Eka about it. We were all so worried about BoBo but all is stable for now.

Just so thankful that there is such a caring vet like Dr Jenny around.

Oh yes, another tip from Dr Jenny.

If your glider is having any injuries like a bite or swollen wound, apply papaya as it is a natural anti-inflammatory that helps bring the swelling down and can promote natural healing.

There is no harm.... you just gotta gutload more food, and pinch the head coz these bite back. My gliders like mealworms better LOL.