in gambling there is no 100% guarantee winning, for the roulette is almost 90% draw or win and the remainder 10% is which 3 numbers did not cover, come out.

if the croupier is so pro that can roll out the 3 numbers did not cover, then he deserves to win right

and the gambler is in bad luck then dont gamble on that day. 37 number cover 34 numbers still can lose, the house deserves to win right bcos really train to roll out any numbers they want.

it is the highest percentage compare to other games. for gambler as long as there is a chance or even slightest possibilities to win they also gamble. fighting spirit.

This post has been edited by lowyat888: Aug 25 2009, 11:28 PM

i didn't say I want 100% winning
What I mean to say is, no matter how you place the chips, in the long run you will lose ~2.7-2.8% of the total money you put in. But yes, I agree the fun part about gambling is having a chance to hit some monies and just think you are rich

For some people out there , If you have low bank roll and want to feel safe, you can play placing one in 1-18 and another in 25-36.... a lot less volatile.

18/37 numbers = Tie
12/37 numbers = Win one unit
7/37 numbers = lose 2 units

(18/37)*0 + (12/37)*1 - (7/37)*2 = -0.05405 units per play

Using your lowyat88's strategy..

24/37 = Tie
10/37 = win 6 units (one unit RM10)
3/37 = lose 30 units...

(24/37)*0 + (10/37)*6 - (3/37)*30= -0.8108 units per play

So if you choose to play that way you lose faster, but of course gain faster if you catch the wind, not that I imply you can actually tell when the wind comes....

Still waiting for someone to tell me if 0 gives you 36 chips instead of usual 35 from single bets

This post has been edited by MedicalChew86: Aug 25 2009, 11:52 PM

stop giving suicide tips, especially the roulette.

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Added on August 26, 2009, 12:07 amAnyway, I m going to contribute some part of the winning strategy. The only best way to win.

Write something like this. On the left, write L or W . On the right , write 1,2,3,4,5,7
Starting bet = 1 unit.

Example, LLLWWW

If lose, maintain at 1 unit. If win, proceed to next step which is 2 units. Proceed until you have a profit.
In that above example, you lost 3 units(1+1+1). Then win 6 units(1+2+3). Total win = 3 units.

Example 2, LLWLLLLWWW.

(-2)+(+1)+(-8)+9, 6 times lost, 4 times win = draw.

This is just part of the winning strategy.
Anyway, also not suitable to play in Genting, because minimum bet is too high. RM25.00/unit.
Play at online such as dublinbet, which minimum bet = .50

This post has been edited by wh0cares: Aug 26 2009, 12:16 AM

The payout is also 35 if I didn't mistaken cos last time i bet on it and it came out lolz

Dude, any tip is a suicide tip in the long run ,your strategy calls for a low minimum so you can get a much bigger cushion from ruin, but with bigger cushion means bigger bomb can be hidden , and as someone I met once said, the bomb is always capable of blowing up the cushion

isn't that d'alembert progression btw? I dunno, your instructions isn't very clear, especially example 2

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Added on August 26, 2009, 1:54 amErrr nvm I think I got it.

Basically losing is a sign to maintain same bet and winning is a sign to increase? If so, this is just another way to supposedly ride a trend which you really cannot

This post has been edited by MedicalChew86: Aug 26 2009, 01:54 AM

i think it's called the reverse martingale

I don't think that's a reverse marty. No doubling up on win =/
It is still one of the other 'positive' progression systems though, which I would prefer over a negative one so you can cut losses.

This post has been edited by MedicalChew86: Aug 26 2009, 11:57 AM

That system is called Dynamic Balance.

Additionally, all bets must be same even chance. If Red, all red.
If High, all high.

How to choose? Statistic shows that even chance will come close to 50/50 minus the house.If you track 50 past spins, often u get like 26(high)+22(low)+2 zeros. Same applies to Odd/Even/Red/Black.

So, for better chance, track last 20 spins before placing. Bet the even chance that have the least outcome.

Gambler's fallacy -.-
Whatever you like though, it doesn't really matter how you bet actually. But tracking the last 20 spins will not help you predict the next 50 or even the next one....
Like say if I already roll 6 on a dice three times, what's the chance of the next roll being 6, it's still 1/6.

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Added on August 26, 2009, 12:33 pmThe 50/50 thing is what is expected of the NEXT batch of spins you're gonna do. If the past spins happens to be streaky, that is past. The wheel has no obligation to compensate for the streak in the short run, but over a VERY VERY long run, the streaks on both sides will cancel one another.

This post has been edited by MedicalChew86: Aug 26 2009, 12:33 PM

Not really predict the next spin, but even chance will balance out after a large sample. Try to count 50 spins. You will not see 5/45, but worse senario 15/35., common 20/30 . If you apply the betting strategy above, you able to overcome the worse scenario, provided you have a decent bankroll.

Of course, the betting method is not complete. Just partial for you to get the idea. There are advance play 1, 2 & 3 to overcome the worse case.

Yeah I get the idea, I know several systems myself too (I like Laboucherre where you only need your even bet to appear 33.33% of the time to win), but I've been ruined several times before with virtual money and lost 1k+ from just starting at 10. I'm still ahead by 700+ though because i win in packs of 100. But the ruin really turned me off, only took 3 or 4 'mini' lose streaks to kill this system.

I would just flat bet the minimum if I 'have' to play roulette. Thank you very much

Thanks for the answers darkmage12, guess it was too good to be true.

that's why you should switch to poker instead of other games lol

Poker requires some luck and much understanding of other players' psychology and reading of their body language. OTOH, blackjack / pontoon just requires you to memorise the strategy charts, and of course, some luck on your side. Card counting is now a thing of the past ... sigh ...

i saw this happen all the time, consecutive 3 same number, the highest chances are consecutive 2 number

oh ya, there are 10 spin, open 4 times of same number as well.

yes, it might be 1/500.

you might never see it happen, i seen it all the time ^^

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Added on August 27, 2009, 10:38 amby the way, u must have high bankroll as well to play roulette.

i might be losing streak in 4 times, yet, if the spin get it right on 5th and 6th spin, i will be winning all the loss bet including some profit.

probability, percentage, all count



This post has been edited by wenjie86: Aug 27 2009, 10:38 AM

I just realized i made a mistake.
Chance of 3 number consecutive is (1/37)^2 and not ^3 because the first time doesn't matter xD

But you are right, streak of 4 is very rare (1/50000). I'd be VERY suspicious if I were you though, because you see it far too often. They are probably manipulating the spins to catch people with gambler's fallacy (people who think another repeating number after 2 or 3 came out is highly unlikely).

yeah, they might manipulating

because u see, if there is 2 consecutive no, ppl might tend to think , they should be 3rd time, right?

so, more people are going to bet on the no, but somehow, the no change

hehe.. as long you able to catch the trend of the spin, you wont get tempted and place it correctly.

Oooh, and wenjie,it also turned out I made a mistake. Damn just woke up ^^, the 1/50000 is chance very very wrong, and so is the 1.500 for 3 numebrs earlier

exactly 3 of the same any number appearing in 10 games =

37 * (10C3) * (1/37)^3 * (36/37)^7 = 0.07273 = 7.273%

As it turns out, it's not that rare. Note that I really really avoid roulette tables and the 'records' they put up. So it may have just pass me or something

For any number appearing exactly 4 times in 10 games

37 * (10C4) *(1/37)^4 * (36/37)^6 =0.003517 = 0.3517%, so it'd take you on average 33 sets of 10 numbers to see a "4-timer", not too uncommon, amazingly

5 is when it really slims down

37 * (10C5) * (1/37)^5 * (36/37)^5 = 0.0001172 = 0.01172%, about 1 in 10000 number sets

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Added on August 27, 2009, 11:05 amBeware though, a casino that can do that will also kill you someday ^^"

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Added on August 27, 2009, 11:18 amIsn't that an Online casino you're playing? Purely electronic or is there a camera to record a real wheel?

This post has been edited by MedicalChew86: Aug 27 2009, 11:18 AM

Just want to comment on this.
4-4-4-4 is actually no different from 18-1-36-0 or 1-2-3-4.(common)
All have the same possibility.

Placement of numbers in roulette in fact just to weaken the human mind.

yeah, we know

That's how wenjie is supposedly cheating the cheating casino =P
She plays opposite of what typical people play

But....if I were the casino I would drop the bomb on places very few people bet. That's why I got phobia of those mega 100-player roulette games. Worse than normal roulette

yeah, online casino. typically those with Camera and a Live CNN behind.. lol

Am not cheating ^^ no no~ just a part time player!