There's no poing staying in a firm that use such tactics. given if TS "successfully" retain his job with no loss in benefits (after "struggling" and "reasoning"), im sure there are "more things" to come in the future.

I read the probation rule in the document for a company I signed:
"you should undergo a probationary... for 6 months... During this period, emplotment may be terminated by either party giving to the other part one week notice or salary in lieu of notice WITHOUT assigning any reason(s) watsoever.

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Added on May 14, 2009, 6:20 pmso, atleast TS previous company still hiring him back when the company no longer needed him in the current position.

This post has been edited by choongyouqi: May 14 2009, 06:20 PM

It is the new manager need him, not the company.

That's mean your company play around with labour laws with a legal way. At the same time they recruit a new IT manager to take over your roles and responsibilities and relocate you under the new IT manager. It's still ok if they dint deduct your salary.

actually can we choose not to sign any of all those document said by TS???
resignation and offer letter, both dont sign.

eksk86 is a careful reader, pay attention to him

It is meaningless to reveal that company, its being bought over by another firm anyway and most of the management changed. Most of the IT personel including the new IT Manager and the whole singapore team jumped.

Thats the beauty part of probation. Company and yourself can sack each other anytime.

Of course they needed me, I am still useful.

Btw then, people only learn to appreciate things when they seen worse.

I signed the offer letter because HR threaten me that there will be no salary by end of month because I hv no businesses there.

Morning!

Sorry to hear your story Thread Starter.

Paragraph 1: As per my understanding, yu left your company? Right?

Paragraph 2: Yu were to be given extended probationary period. And your signature on the offer letter dictates the said new terms.
Paragraph 3: A request from the new IT Manager to the Management: To retain yu and to be reassigned for "hardware and network support" whereas your previous was in "software part". Dear Thread Starter, remember this "Every single individual is dispensable". Yes. It's as savage as it is. I'm sorry to state the truth and nothing but the whole truth.

Paragraph 4: Very true. Normal probationary period vary from one company to another. Standard: 3 months Max: 6 months. This can be extended to another few months. Depending on company's policy. But rest assured, I'm sure HR has a few "strategies or tactics" (legally) to "explain" the reasonings for probation extension.
(For a smart arse, yu should know where is your standings unless yu are a total nincompoop). For the resignation and acceptance of offer letter, from my previous experience, it's for the ISO standard documentation. (mainly for auditing purposes).

Paragraph 5: The company has done a "favour" for yu actually. Hence they did not offer any termination letter. It's not good for your CV, so to speak. Yu may argue that yu were terminated without justifications, right?
I think your company's HR personnel is not that stupid. Yes, HR has more than what it takes in the sleeves to get rid of "someone within the company. Yu may call us "dirty bastards or b****es" but we are just HR personnel and we are told to do the wet works for the Management.

Lastly, yu are right on the legal practices by the HR to protect the company (for your case, per se). Well, if I'm not mistaken, yu either: already left the company OR are serving notice right now.

Since the Management has NOT lay eyes on yu, I would sincerely ask yu to look for other opportunities. I'm sure there's window of opportunities out there.

I wish yu good luck Thread Starter.

Regards, Joey~~~

This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: May 15 2009, 10:10 AM

Thanks JC for the invaluable opinions.

I was not reassigned with another duty, but just retain my duty and supervised by a new boss.

As I mentioned, I moved on, being unhappy, also for the fact that the company sold and nearly the entire IT team dispensed. So, as you mentioned, "Every single individual is dispensable", I couldn't agree more, and that work in both way, every employer is dispensable too.

Hmmm...since it's that way, I'm sure yu are well aware of your current situation from the Management and your IT Manager. I do hope yu'll able to make ways out of this. Anyways, yu are talented and well equipped with skills and I'm sure there's an employer that appreciates yu better.

Well... for the quote, it's quite true. It's applicable to both ends. EmploYEE and EmploYER alike.

Cheer up!, Rexis. Don't let this matter bog yu down. So what's your plan from ere?

Regards, Joey~~~

baby, i dont think so...bcz still under probation period so no choice
either sign according to co requirment or resign

Sigh~

Thanks for the juicing up, I need it. I am with another employer for a while and again, they do not want to confirm me, details here, I am being offered with monthly contract job. That is, however, off topic.

But that is also why I know this topic case is some labour law documentation gimmicks.

not sure if u read thruly. @__@
before sign it, TS is not under probation period. just that TS got threathen so cant help. im just thinking if in such situation can refuse sign any or not. . ><


haiz... working life especially on down time of economic is pretty hard...
wish u all the best man. u'll definately find someone/company that appreciate ur talent.

Oh no rex, you're having such a hard time! Regardless of new comp or previous comp... Did you critically assess the situation and check what's wrong? Is it because you underperformed to company's expectations or you're really having plain bad luck so far?

This post has been edited by sweet_pez: May 16 2009, 12:44 PM

Before signing any document try to negotiate on what u want from the company..

sweetie, maybe you are right. Bosses like those who wanted to throw his laptop out of the window just because the wifi signal is weak, or those who thinks that his PDA is more important then the main server... or I have too much to complain about. I had a conclusion thou, it doesn't really matter how good or bad you perform, as long as you keep your superior happy, you are good.

Technical things like remote desktop won't help you work more efficient, the most efficient way is to walk all the way to the opposite block, walk pass as many times as possible with a lot of papers and some keyboards in your hand in front of your users, stare at the server while it restart for 20 minutes, just to show that you are working very very hard to fullfil their request.

it is not the substance of ur work, but the form of ur work, especially if ur work is something others don't understand

This is in case they want to fire you, they can do so within 24 hours. I hope you'll look for a job asap as this company is not taking your welfare seriously.