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busbos
post Jun 20 2008, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 20 2008, 02:34 PM)
i am gonna assume i = it, and with that... your saying drums is an item, and it doesnt AFFECT one's dps?
you're taking the loltard to a whole new level right here.


Added on June 20, 2008, 2:35 pm
lolidiot?
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duh i was saying it doesnt effect one dps if u click or bind it or macro it or whatever
cause that thing has a 2 min cd..u can ctrl it
doesnt matter if u click it or not
it's different from skills which u hv to use everytime and on time(eg:sinister strike/snd)

sorry..but u r the new loltard here
l2read n l2understand properly

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post Jun 20 2008, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jun 20 2008, 02:37 PM)
no, you are. you're taking his statement out of context altogether.
Drums is an item that should not affect your dps cycle, as it only consumes a 1 sec GCD. Like haste pots.

edit:
Hold stormstrike, press drums, wait for gcd, stormstrike. I didnt say not SS'ing for the whole 30 secs duration?
lololol idiot.
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merely quoting his statements, which i even quoted on my reply post.

same goes for your post.
and with that, i didnt even say no SS for 30 secs duration, or any duration for that matter.
lololol idiot.


Added on June 20, 2008, 2:42 pm
QUOTE(busbos @ Jun 20 2008, 02:38 PM)
duh i was saying it doesnt effect one dps if u click or bind it or macro it or whatever
cause that thing has a 2 min cd..u can ctrl it
doesnt matter if u click it or not
it's different from skills which u hv to use everytime and on time(eg:sinister strike/snd)

sorry..but u r the new loltard here
l2read n l2understand properly
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not what you said based on my quote. and it still didnt change the fact he had to lolhold his lolskillstrike.

perhaps you need to l2understand your own post and l2post properly?

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post Jun 20 2008, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(busbos @ Jun 20 2008, 02:31 PM)
duh
i was telling that i doesnt effect in terms of ur dps<--this is what u read(bcoz u r a loltard)
i know u mention the clicker as if he was clicking his skill
that's why im telling u drum is an item..which hv a 2min cd which doesnt effect ur dps if u click or bind it u to keeeyyy<--this is what u missed(bcoz u r a loltard)

loltard back at ye
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quoting myself

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post Jun 20 2008, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(busbos @ Jun 20 2008, 02:44 PM)
quoting myself
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duh
i was telling that i doesnt effect in terms of ur dps
i know u mention the clicker as if he was clicking his skill
that's why im telling u drum is an item..which hv a 2min cd which doesnt effect ur dps if u click or bind it u to keeeyyy<--this is what u missed(bcoz u r a loltard)

loltard back at ye


based on the bolded text, drum is an item, has 2min CD, doesnt affect your dps if you click or bind it to key.

so. basically, i click it, or bind it, or w/e i want to do with it, it doesnt affect my dps? you need to try hard to arrange your words smile.gif
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post Jun 20 2008, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 20 2008, 02:41 PM)
merely quoting his statements, which i even quoted on my reply post.

same goes for your post.
and with that, i didnt even say no SS for 30 secs duration, or any duration for that matter.
lololol idiot.


Added on June 20, 2008, 2:42 pm


not what you said based on my quote. and it still didnt change the fact he had to lolhold his lolskillstrike.

perhaps you need to l2understand your own post and l2post properly?
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no, you are. you're taking his statement out of context altogether.
no, you are. you're taking his statement out of context altogether.
no, you are. you're taking his statement out of context altogether.
no, you are. you're taking his statement out of context altogether.


anddd, yes, u did. read what you write. i heard its good practice. of all people you should really really try it.

seriously.


yes, im serious.

perhaps you should step back and look at what you are replying here, mr kettle. but wow, in this case, you're mr kettle AND mr pot all by yourself. amazing.

anddd also btw:

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btw, here's your post. feel free to reply what i have written about it.

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lolwut clicker?



if not, shove it back please kkthxBYEE


friendly reminder

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post Jun 20 2008, 02:53 PM

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sigh
whatever la
it's just hard to talk n explain to a retard
i better go play wow instead of feeding the tardtroll
/vanish
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post Jun 20 2008, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jun 20 2008, 02:51 PM)
anddd, yes, u did. read what you write. i heard its good practice. of all people you should really really try it.

seriously.
yes, im serious.

perhaps you should step back and look at what you are replying here, mr kettle. but wow, in this case, you're mr kettle AND mr pot all by yourself. amazing.
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considering even you mentioned that i do have considerable ammount of 1337 english skills, and im basically replied to what was written, which was also quoted, there is no way i am randomly taking his (busbos) statements or your statements out of context.

maybe you should read what you wrote? i mean, i even made it easier by putting them in nice quotes. and even bolded them for you so by the slight chance you are vision impaired you *should* be able to read it still. after all as you said, its good practice.

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perhaps you should step back and look at what you are replying here, mr kettle. but wow, in this case, you're mr kettle AND mr pot all by yourself. amazing.

arent you contradicting yourself here?
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post Jun 20 2008, 02:58 PM

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To be honest, I don't totem twist. I usually have another resto or ele shaman in my group to take care of wf. The end of the day, I only take care of GoA for air, strength totem for earth, occassional mana spring, which compared to you mikehuan, makes my day easier rclxms.gif Do you totem twist at every single CD? Or just on the fly?
Yeah, I go for drums too! That's the only thing that really mattered down in raids for LW... everything else that comes out of it are kinda sub-par sad.gif Itemization for enhance shaman is kinda broken, as if WoW dev haven't been anal enough with shamans...


General advice for this topic, I would point out to this thread down in EJ forum. EJ Enhance Shaman Collected Theorycraft
It covers pretty much everything from A straight up to Z on the subject needed. From the crap I see in this thread.. I would suggest the posters that really need anything and dont' understand about enhancement shamans to have a read there first. I can't believe the amount of lolcrap I had to read thru just now. Thumbs up for those that tried answering to the post.
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post Jun 20 2008, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 20 2008, 02:57 PM)

considering even you mentioned that i do have considerable ammount of 1337 english skills, and im basically replied to what was written, which was also quoted, there is no way i am randomly taking his (busbos) statements or your statements out of context.


so you're saying u're bad in english? and yes, you are randomly taking busbos's statement out of context.

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maybe you should read what you wrote? i mean, i even made it easier by putting them in nice quotes. and even bolded them for you so by the slight chance you are vision impaired you *should* be able to read it still. after all as you said, its good practice.

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my vision is perfect, but tyvm for being so considerate.

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arent you contradicting yourself here?

nope, you are.



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post Jun 20 2008, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jun 20 2008, 03:02 PM)
so you're saying u're bad in english? and yes, you are randomly taking busbos's statement out of context.
my vision is perfect, but tyvm for being so considerate.
nope, you are.
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instead of the standard "nope you are" (which seriously holds no weight), how bout some explanation on how am i randomly taking busbos's statement out of context?

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edited for bad nested quotes

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post Jun 20 2008, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(Lucifer96 @ Jun 20 2008, 02:58 PM)
To be honest, I don't totem twist. I usually have another resto or ele shaman in my group to take care of wf. The end of the day, I only take care of GoA for air, strength totem for earth, occassional mana spring, which compared to you mikehuan, makes my day easier  rclxms.gif  Do you totem twist at every single CD? Or just on the fly?
Yeah, I go for drums too! That's the only thing that really mattered down in raids for LW... everything else that comes out of it are kinda sub-par sad.gif Itemization for enhance shaman is kinda broken, as if WoW dev haven't been anal enough with shamans...
General advice for this topic, I would point out to this thread down in EJ forum. EJ Enhance Shaman Collected Theorycraft
It covers pretty much everything from A straight up to Z on the subject needed. From the crap I see in this thread.. I would suggest the posters that really need anything and dont' understand about enhancement shamans to have a read there first. I can't believe the amount of lolcrap I had to read thru just now. Thumbs up for those that tried answering to the post.
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ty lucifer. yes the thread has been a bible to me for quite some time now. but wouldnt it be terribly wasteful to put another shaman in your full melee group? a resto or ele shaman could be better utilised in a caster group, or even tank group for the matter.

considering totems only have a gcd, yes, i totem twist wf/goa usually about every 8 seconds (wf totem buff is 10 secs, and lasts even after the totem itself is removed).

yeah, i was a blacksmith too =/. went LW as we progressed through swp. my melee grp is kinda the main dpsers for the raid, with everyone going above 2k - 2.2k (1 dbl glaives rogue, war with MH glaive, rogue with MH glaive, and another rogue/MS war), subbing each other out for certain fights. all the rogues went LW, so with me going LW its really a no brainer. perma drummed grps = DPS.

and yes, itemization. q.q sad.gif . Nuff said.


Added on June 20, 2008, 3:14 pm
QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 20 2008, 03:06 PM)
instead of the standard "nope you are" (which seriously holds no weight), how bout some explanation on how am i randomly taking busbos's statement out of context?
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arent you contradicting yourself here?

yes, this holds a lot of weight i think?

like i said, read what busboy wrote and understand it. im neither your tutor nor your friend.


Added on June 20, 2008, 3:16 pm
QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jun 20 2008, 02:37 PM)
btw, here's your post. feel free to reply what i have written about it.

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lolwutclicker


if not, shove it back please kkthxBYEE
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this.

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post Jun 20 2008, 03:18 PM

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Perma drum?? Whoa..
LoL well, he's there since he had nowhere to go. 1 pally healer, 2 priests, 2 trees jumping about, we're not exactly short on healers. I'm the only enhance shammy on the group, so raid leader rather have the resto with us for good amount of time on BL.
Every 8 seconds totem twist? Do you take mana steroid? Hard for me to actually throw in SS, twist, shock without running dry by the 4th~5th minute into the fight. sad.gif
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QUOTE(Lucifer96 @ Jun 20 2008, 03:18 PM)
Perma drum?? Whoa..
LoL well, he's there since he had nowhere to go. 1 pally healer, 2 priests, 2 trees jumping about, we're not exactly short on healers. I'm the only enhance shammy on the group, so raid leader rather have the resto with us for good amount of time on BL.
Every 8 seconds totem twist? Do you take mana steroid? Hard for me to actually throw in SS, twist, shock without running dry by the 4th~5th minute into the fight. sad.gif
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yeah, i have the 5/5 imp totems on resto side (important, lol) JoW is important, and one of the regular pallies ALWAYS does JoW on fights. on fights where he cant, i skip the earth shock altogether, twist and flameshock every 12 secs. SR + mana pots should last you around 5 minutes. (popping SR at near 0 mana bar)

did this on teron, clocked in 1900+ dps as i recall.

edit: forgot this tongue.gif
you can actually sub in the other shaman, BL, and sub him out during the fight. BL will stay on the party he BL'ed. but i think you need a raid addon for this (oRa2 if im not mistaken).

yes, its kinda hard to totem twist at the beginning. Going into BT, i didnt do that as dps wasnt always a factor. I was overlooked in the dps department because of the hybrid nature of shamans, people dont expect you to do dps anyways. come swp, where lack of dps can actually break your raids sorta "forced" me to. (i was thinking about it but, slacking in raids lol). turned out pretty well. DPS for my group increased significantly, and BT encounters suddenly became too damn easy. I suggest you go to the EJ forums and find the macro to totem twist, and try it out. (sorry cant remember it, quite complicated =/)

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post Jun 20 2008, 03:28 PM

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JoW????

.... wokay.. there lies my problem. Time to ask my GL to get a pally for this tongue.gif
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If you look at some WWS reports, you can see JoW mana returns to something crazy like 16000 mana per fight, so you can that it is not goreng pisang. laugh.gif
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yeah it does hold a considerable ammount of weight, at least compared to your post.

and afaik, this is my post:
QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 20 2008, 10:34 AM)
lolwut clicker?
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and this is your post:
QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jun 20 2008, 01:41 PM)
lolidiot?
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maybe you shove it?

=edit=
edited for bad nested quotes again

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QUOTE(Aggroboy @ Jun 20 2008, 03:33 PM)
If you look at some WWS reports, you can see JoW mana returns to something crazy like 16000 mana per fight, so you can that it is not goreng pisang. laugh.gif
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16k?
Now I don't have to get red-eyes for the caster groups that get a spriest for mana batt now.
At last I get something worth learning around the posts here LoL.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 20 2008, 03:37 PM)
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yeah it does hold a considerable ammount of weight, at least compared to your post.

and afaik, this is my post:

and this is your post:

maybe you shove it?

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edited for bad nested quotes again
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No, you shove it. idiot. its my thread after all.
l2spell amount btw. and no, it doesnt hold a "considerable" amount of weight. it has no weight whatsoever.

ps: and yes, im ordering you around in the internetz. bwah.
pps: aggroboy, felmyst. tomorrow. stop slacking sad.gif


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QUOTE(Lucifer96 @ Jun 20 2008, 03:37 PM)
16k?
Now I don't have to get red-eyes for the caster groups that get a spriest for mana batt now.
At last I get something worth learning around the posts here LoL.
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I got my retridin to get some figures for this to convince the RL to let us have a retlol in the raid.

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If another paladin chooses to put JOW up on a mob/boss, the use of crusader strike can continuously refresh the JOW (and any other judgements that other paladins' may have used)
This may not seem like much, but the amount of passive mana/5 whilst casting judgement of wisdom gives is VERY high, im just going to list the theoretical mana gains from JOW (theoretical meaning the proc % is what its supposed to be)

BM hunter with 2.1 speed wpn: 220.23 Mp5
Fire mage: 65.29 Mp5
Arcane mage: 128.08 Mp5
Shadow priest: 92.5 Mp5
Enhance Shaman: 317.63 Mp5
Elemental shaman: 118.40 Mp5
Shadow-Des warlock: 74 Mp5
Fire-Des Warlock: 86.33 Mp5
Getting a retlol into the raid was the easy part... unfortunately convincing our enhancement shaman to twist totems is another matter altogether.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jun 20 2008, 03:44 PM)
No, you shove it. idiot. its my thread after all.
l2spell amount btw. and no, it doesnt hold a "considerable" amount of weight. it has no weight whatsoever.

ps: and yes, im ordering you around in the internetz. bwah.
pps: aggroboy, felmyst. tomorrow. stop slacking sad.gif
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No, you shove it. idiot. its my thread after all.
ps: and yes, im ordering you around in the internetz. bwah.


at least you're decently smart in this.

and oh well i mistyped an m, my bad i guess. however considering you arent acing in english either as you cant fully understand my replies, its all good.


Added on June 20, 2008, 3:57 pm
QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Jun 20 2008, 03:46 PM)
I got my retridin to get some figures for this to convince the RL to let us have a retlol in the raid.
Getting a retlol into the raid was the easy part... unfortunately convincing our enhancement shaman to twist totems is another matter altogether.
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how many pm you get when you put up "recruiting retdin pst" lol

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