Anyone here plays enhance for raids? Would like to have a nice discussion regarding gears and whatnot, especially playing with our asian ms =/

well, its more to rogue gears, but yeah itemization for shamans are way too bad. Hunter gears viable for shaman are only a few, Shoulders from Akama, Illidari Council trinket/helm, MH leggings, RoS belt. I think thats about it.

yes, we all know that, but other than your tiered gears there isnt much mail item with stats. Hence forcing us to get rogue gear.

Its extremely rare to find mail with str stats. Best bet would be to go for tiered items probably, although there are some gears that are superior compared to t6 eg, cursed vision/midnight chestguard.

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 13 2008, 04:54 PM

yea the engineering one is good, but i cant let go of both my profession atm heh. wtb more enhance shamans

sorry, not looking for a new guild atm?



edit: prolly wasnt referring to me lol. my bad.

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 13 2008, 06:08 PM

EJ forums dont show a malaysian/singaporean enhance shaman DPS on teron, for example. Ive read EJ's and more, armoried more than i care to remember. The problem is, how is my DPS compared to the other asian ms shamans?

way to stray out of topic. if you dont have anything to contribute why post? need to meet your post count quota?
And yes, i already have lowerping.

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 16 2008, 10:07 AM

quite a difference, i dont know if its gear or latency, but seeing 2k and above dps on teron or even brutallus for the matter and yourself doing 1.8-19k kinda makes ya wonder whats wrong. Granted, 100-300 DPS isnt much, but hey shamans kinda needs to prove themselves in raids imo, with so much talk about shamans not viable for dps etc etc.

Yes im aware alot of guilds are recruiting enhance shamans now, as they finally saw what they could do. Go back a few months and you could see the amount of hate enhance shamans get. I literally took 2 days for convince my (ex)guild leader to let me go in to KARA as enhance back in the day we just were able to down prince.




latency is linearly affecting DPS, the less latency you have the more DPS you get. The topic was mainly to get/find any other enhance shamans around the same region as me so i could compare stats/DPS. I dont see a big deal of discussing latency in the topic, i was referring to you commenting on the DPS rotation of a shaman. In boss encounters i pretty much stay in GCD 80% of the time, so dont tell me its only stormstrike/autoattack.



So i just did. thanks for the info. Now, why were u posting then?

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 16 2008, 11:08 AM

group setups do more than 100-300 DPS fyi. My melee grp for SWP is mostly quite optimal for DPS, having buffs from arms war, 4 LW's in party, CoR, faerie fire, surv hunter raid buff. We dont have a feral druid in grp though, we gave him to the hunters, pretty much optimal.

But thats besides the point. Main thing is i just want to find other enhance shamans that are playing in the region to have a good talk about the class, not arguing over DPS with regular posters.

bottom line: in regards to you; my DPS is fine, i dont get any complaints over it, and personally im satisfied. and i do more than just stromstrike/shock/autoattack.

does that mean other raids never had a good raid comp synergy?



and you! come back to raiding
but srsly, 2k shamans (the ones i can see anyways) are very nicely geared, t6 belt/bracer/boots plus a TON of arPen. hemo debuff/imp FF is not equivalent to +100 DPS but these guys are pushing 2.2k. (armory sebudai) and some draenei sham from vodka, i forgot her name.

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 16 2008, 11:29 AM

its more to why you are fussing yourself to answer? its my thread, i made it to find something out, although it may sound trivial to you, but its not for me.

latency is affecting my dps, period. I have already done what i can to lower latency. Im happy with my DPS, thats correct but theres always room for improvement. i dont see why i should stop improving myself. Question is: who can i compare to? thats the main reason i made a thread.

why cant i compare to msian/asian latency? whats bugging you if i did? and i dont understand why you keep harping on the latency issue, i already said the latency is something that i have already done what i can, its a variable that i cannot change anymore. Also i did not complain/whine/boast/etcetc about my dps or the lack of it.

I have already compared my dps to the us players. i know their rotations, what buffs they are getting, how are they itemizing their gear. But then again, purpose of the thread has already been explained, if you would care to read what i write.

but w/e, guess its kinda hard to find fellow enhance shamans anywhere, being so rare and all. good discussion with you though quaz.



Deja vu usage of deja vu kinda out of context if i understand what your're saying. Plus i dont see any of your fanboys explaining as yet, maybe i'll come tomorrow to check it out.


This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 16 2008, 03:49 PM

Again, you are referring to my post as a "my latency is bad i would like to compare my bad dps with other bad latency people". Im not going to repeat myself in this.

are you saying that latency is a variable that should not be included when calculating DPS? although its a variable that i cannot change does not mean that i must not include it. and no, its not contradicting. Pretty logical if you would just step back a bit and review what you just wrote. and talk of nothing? well, you arent an enhance shaman i think? im pretty sure theres someone out there who would be able to contribute to this thread that is not regarding latency that you keep harping about.

i hope you know what deja vu means, its not meant to be used in the context. I dont care if im new, or if u are a regular here. Also, wouldn't i care to visit the hobbies forums as i have no interest there. Yes, you can type, and yes you can form sentences, but again, its not my concern either. basically? you're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I have no biff with you, and again u missed the purpose of the thread in the first place. i suggest u reread the posts i have made since you have so much time analysing it.

so, you're saying latency does not affect dps at all then? and why are you suddenly interested in shaman mechanics now? and yes, white + windfury is my main dps, but have you ever wondered why i stay in gcd most of the time? stormstrike is 12 secs cd, shocks is 6 secs, totems last for 2 minutes, for your reference. theres no point that i convince you, of all people.

good for you, you can link references of deja vu. now use it in a sentence correctly. you're old enough to police your own grammar i hope?


i certainly hope u are referring to yourself, assumptions on how i feel or "care" does not become you, or, does it?

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Added on June 17, 2008, 10:18 amthank you for replying. yeah its been hard to get ANY decent replies from here. just amusing myself, and auto bumping the thread is good

Terrorhoof this is my armory, but i log out wearing randomly PVE, or PVP, or at times even healing gear lol. Looks like i logged out in PVP gear this time =/.

WWS this is last weeks BT run.

well, to put it simply, i want to break 2k dps, lol. this terons fight was already at optimum raid synergy having an arms war, surv hunter, faerie fire etc. dont think theres anything much i need from BT anymore, maybe just the cursed vision, supremus neck and teron cloak. how much dps does your shaman put out? and what kinda stats does he go for? myself im going for more Armor Pen (standing at about 750 or so atm).

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 17 2008, 10:18 AM

^-- lol. stop posting about latency and dps.



i would, but you're not worth the time.

this is the normal way i post. and i dont feel its uptight. i never swear, was never rude. i merely pointed out the flaws of your arguments and yet you call me uptight.

edit: o btw, cleave teams. nice. thats the one thing we have in common at least. our cleave peaked at 2100 before we disbanded (ret pally sold his toon, war quit). Running a new cleave with my guildies atm, 13-0 so far, more to casual arena playing.

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 17 2008, 10:58 AM

confrontational discussions, looks like an oxymoron to me lol. how is it getting serious? 3 pages of discussion regarding lag. pretty trivial if u asked me.

makes sense. okay, fair enough, i shall stop myself from responding then. LF more enhancement shamans.

bumpie~

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Added on June 17, 2008, 5:20 pmwow angruuuuu!
lol@lolenh fetish
mage cleave! *swings*
wow! gladiator! good luck with it, hope u get it.

*wonders if i can get a bite*

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 17 2008, 05:20 PM

both of the enhance shamans are very nicely geared, well kamahl might be using the hyjal for the looks looking at his enchant (hell im want the those fists as well). i remember me being worse geared going to hyjal/bt compared to them.

kamahl's dps wasnt bad as well, doing 1.3k on teron(our guild kinda takes teron to be a dps gauge, since its tank and spank all the way). were u guys wearing 2pc shadow prot for the fight? or full dps gears? was he totem twisting? (sorry im not that good on analysing wws reports lol.)

yeah our tanks are quite good, been around the game for a while already. i generally dont have any problems going all out right off the bat (which btw, was quite worrying to me since so many shamans were complaining about threat in the first few seconds of the fight) and never getting an aggro warning throughout the fight. Only on occasions tank slacking while doing trash, and salv falls off me yeah i end up tanking for a few seconds before they taunt back or i die =/.

wow all of a sudden you are on my side now? just reading through the thread generally makes me assume you are a type of person that just loves to spam threads with meaningless gibberish and what not.

and yeah i compared my dps for this weeks brut, 1980DPS, 20 more to break 2k. but kinda different since now i have 4 LW's in party instead of 3 from last week. not really sure how much DPS that contributes though.

since all of you (especially quazsmlj) is so suddenly interested in melee shaman mechanics i'll try to explain the best i can:
i know what can be improved for my dps, its the timings for shocks, totem twisting, stormstrike cooldown and as well as wf cooldown.

thing is, for optimum dps u shouldnt be stormstriking whenever the cd is up, that just adds 2 extra yellow hits. trick is to wait for the wf cd to finish and then SS. sounds simple? yea it is. Now, add in shocks. fine, this is simple enough, just shock whenever you can. Now, add totem twisting. Now this is an important variable to consider, as GoA is a significant boost to my own dps (about 4ish % crit) and as AP/crit for rest of the party members, but under the condition that wf buff must be constantly refreshed (ideally every 10 secs).
Now this is where it gets harder, imagine u open with flame shock (6 seconds cd) then SS, followed by totem planting. Usually for me, latency is affecting my dps here, as by the time i finish totem planting, my shock cd was already few seconds off. so thats no optimum dps. SS cd is incoming, but in the last 2 secs, wf procs, so i hold on SS, i twist GoA/WF in the meantime, by then, again, i missed my WF cd by a few seconds, more dps wasted.

well, you get the picture. im on constant gcd because i have several cd's to manage all in the span of 6-12 secs. i had to hold off shocking or stormstriking just so i can press my drums. so this is a question i would want to ask the asian latency shamans, how do u get more dps, and at the same time buff your group in the optimum way possible? This is not something i can ask the players playing from the states etc, they simply dont have this problem. how else would they be able to do 2.2k on brut?

Granted, this is not all about latency though. all i wanted from this thread was to know more shamans (not many in my server, and usually, dont have a clue) so i thought, what the hell, why not start a discussion here and have some heart to heart serious discussion on the mechanics of the class and how could it be improved. Theres a lot of progressed asian guild members hanging around here so might be a good place to start.

but then again, this thread is kinda meaningless to me already, too much spam to derive anything good from it anyways. i thank you people who tried to get this post back on track, but i guess (as someone said already), this is LYN forums. i'll go back to researching EJ threads.

o btw, JoW on bosses give me more than enough mana to twist continuously. If the pally is too busy healing, i pop a mana pot, and blow my sham rage cd, which fills back my mana bar from 0-100% in less than 10 secs. (1k mana ticks ftw). Usually on brut i pop SR twice, plus JoW, mana spring and water shield. Longest period of time where i just sit back and auto attack? 3secs.


ps: whats TS? someone care to enlighten me?
pss: authority if thats you, i hope u get killed more in AoC. that said, come back to WoW please =/

This post has been edited by mikehuan: Jun 20 2008, 03:14 AM