It's reviewed every 2 years as far as I m concerned...

Taking only 2 subjects for A level is quite risky.Imagine if you screw up one subject, how are you going to enroll into degree?Normally, students will take 3...In case they screw up 1, they still have another 2 which enables them to enroll in degree with no problem.

If you are entering the legal field, expecting a handsome pay, then forget it. A fresh grads for a law degree, tend to get a lower pay than a fresh grad engineer as far as I m concerned.

To get a desirable pay in legal field, you have to work your sock off . Try to get into partnership then talk about handsome pay.

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Added on April 22, 2011, 12:51 amDecent level of both English and Malay languages are required because some courts do use Malay as the medium of language.

As for the CLP, yes, it is tough but I think if you work hard enough, everything will be just fine.

This post has been edited by solstice818: Apr 22 2011, 12:51 AM

You dont have to be perfect in speaking English but The very least is to be able to speak decent English.Something everyone can understand...

A lot of people say law is about reading and memorizing. Let's just say that loving to read a lot is not necessary but read and able to understand is more fundamental. You can read a lot and still end up not understanding a single thing.

Which is why I said something understandable?

I thought pre university doesn't affect anything as long as the degree you take is recognized by bar council? I might be wrong though....Not too sure about this...

Look back at page 85, I think some people there mention about it affects the taking of CLP. you might wanna consult someone more experienced in this. Try call the Bar Council, maybe?

No offense but I think there is a little bit of Misleading info there.



No one know the exact figure but for the record, it's always 15% or less every year.But as I mentioned earlier, no one know the exact figure. Putting a number up there might potentially scare of the freshies when the truth is no one know how many percent of us will only pass the CLP. The only truth in it is that it's freaking hard to pass the exam.Period.


And your post, mainly talking about twinning programme while not everyone is born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Some struggles to make ends meet. I m surprised you didn't mention external degree at all when BAC, ATC seems pretty good at these .

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Added on June 10, 2011, 6:16 pmThe last I know, MMU wasn't the only one getting exemption from CLP. I remember there are the other two unis getting along with MMU but MMU get the stick most of the time mainly due to it being a private institute.

Anyway, good question about why still so many fellow people wanna make their life so difficult to opt for UoL when MMU has a CLP exemption.

I think that's down to individual. Ask yourself and be frank, can you make it for CLP? The CLP exemption thingy comes handy when you know you cant make it. And let's be frank, not everyone has a good command of English. When you opt for UOL and your papers being marked by some foreigner who dont even understand your rojak english, then MMU seems to be a perfect choice eh?

The only downside is that, the exemption need to be reviewed and you cant work outside Malaysia.

This post has been edited by solstice818: Jun 10 2011, 06:16 PM

I can see where you are coming from. Yes, no doubt, there is no guarantee that the exemption will last. The current exemption last until this year and recently, they just reviewed it again. Whether they get the new exemption again, we will see in few months time. If they got it, then great, they just extended the exemption for another couple of years. If not, then I think the course structure they offered will be changed with the course reverting back to 3 years since the final year of the course is basically the CLP thingy.

As for your claim that the whole course might not even eligible to sit for CLP, I think that's a little exaggerate. Why? Because the way I see it is that since the first batch of mmu law graduates already been called to bar, I think it more or less signify that the course itself is recognized by bar council. At least, that's how I think it works.

Anyway, every legal route is difficult. No easy path when you decided you wanna pick the legal field. For me, I would suggest you all to take UoL. Stop worrying about the CLP first because at the end of the day, if you cant practice, you can still work as other profession in other fields. That UoL cert allows you to work overseas too.Something local uni cant offer you.(excluding UM )

Arh... Now I see your point. Yes, the requirement to sit for CLP is that you must at least have STPM or A Level. So, it does carry a certain risks if they didnt get the exemption and you are going up there through foundation they offered. Meantime, it's safe for those entering MMU law using A Level/STPM even if they dont get the exemption. At least they can sit for the CLP.

People always say stop counting the chicken before they hatch. Guess it applies here. Its better if we stay focus on what happens now than the future. Anything can change as time passes. You might not get what you expected at the end of the day.

This post has been edited by solstice818: Jun 11 2011, 04:44 PM

Same question from everyone eh? Anyway, few years back I would definitely tell you ATC for LLB and CLP for BAC. For now, I have heard a lot about ATC good lecturers left and one of my friend in BAC told me that BAC actually hired lecturer from UK to teach them for one month. So, if you ask me, I would say, do more survey. Pay visits to both colleges before you make your decision. I heard BAC is catching up on ATC in LLB. Not too sure myself because the last time I checked on stuff like that was few years back and a lot of things happened in these few years.

BAC is the one showing BETTER result in CLP. Even back then, they are more renown for CLP than the LLB they offering.

This is a very very wrong concept/idea. It's probably coming from those who do not involve in the legal field. Law...isn't about memorizing.... There's no point memorizing because it's all about understanding the principle, the rules, the doctrine before you can even apply the case you memorize and nope, most of the lawyers these days, they dont memorize cases either. Those cases just stuck up in your mind forever and you dont need to memorize them...

The same thing I would remind those who wish to proceed in legal field, taking up LLB ... If you are taking this because you think you have good memorizing skill/brain or because you did extremely well in your sejarah in SPM, forget it. Take something else.

Law isn't an easy road. You need a good command of languages, be it BM or English. You may have do the program in English but at the end of the day, at the lower court, you still resort to using BM. So, think over it before you decide which path you are planning to take.

I have seen a lot of happen-to-be-my-seniors ended up so badly that most of us graduated before they do. Language is a problem. Attitude is another. If you are lazy, or one that enjoy life/outing, forget law...take something else. Or else you will just end up failing those subjects...

Then we got the horrible, extremely scary CLP...ouch...which is still that scary to most law students out there.

As for colleges, the more well know law school are probably BAC and ATC. I personally came from ATC but heard the standard changed a lot since the last time I was there. Not sure about the current situation but you may want to pay a visit to both colleges before you decide, hmm?

Anyway, too long winded, if you have any prob, you can leave me a private message. I will be glad to help out. Though, dont ask me about the pay! You dont wanna to know it!

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Added on December 11, 2011, 3:17 amThe pay is kinda low for freshie... but oh well, at the end of the day, everyone does the same way. Get into a firm, works your ass off, impress your boss, few years later,maybe you will get the partnership.

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Added on December 11, 2011, 3:19 amIt's recognized by Bar. Up for review every 2-3 years if I have not get my info wrongly...yes, that's should be the way it is now.

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Added on December 11, 2011, 3:20 amthat would take a hell lot of money out of you.... but then if you are rich, yes, that's probably an easier way compared to clp.

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Added on December 11, 2011, 3:22 amObviously A level is the safer choice here. Not sure about the SAM being recognized if you wanna take CLP. Might wanna ask around about this.

This post has been edited by solstice818: Dec 11 2011, 03:22 AM

It would be proper if you get some decent guidance under tutor/lecturer. After all they exist for a reason. Not enrolling in any college, studying on your own is risky. I mean, isn't a well known fact that CLP is NOT EASY. So, why take the risky path? I would pick a safer path if I were in your shoes.

Stop working maybe? Because so far there is very very little people who can cope with CLP while working at the same time. It's draining your life away, seriously!

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Added on December 12, 2011, 10:49 amAs for your previous questions, may I ask what's the point of you taking of Bachelor of Jurisprudence?

If you ask me, I would say that by the time of age of 27/28, it's harder for you to fight with the young one, no?

Think about it, put yourself in the law firm's shoes. Would you take a fresh grad with 0 experience of age 24/25 or one with 27/28? I would take the younger since both are equally inexperienced.

And another thing people fail to notice is that now with the CLP exemption going on for some universities, there will be a flooding of fresh graduated lawyers. You will have to fight them for job. Not an easy task if you ask me.

This post has been edited by solstice818: Dec 12 2011, 10:49 AM

I do agree that if you have some sort of working experience , you have an edge over the young freshies. What if you don't? Plus, age is or at least to some extent, do not decide one's maturity.

At the end of the day, it's up to your performance to impress during interview.

So what's this good idea about? About the choice of picking those unis? And btw, CPU not eligible for CLP if I am not mistaken.

And I dont get your question at all. How is that brickfields then University of London? I am assuming that you are talking about twinning here?

One last thing, if you are planning to do law, the least thing you should be doing to state something so ambiguous and unclear.I dont think it takes much time to actually type out whole, complete question that is crystal clear for everyone to understand. Forgive me, old folks like me dont really get to understand the way of teens posting in internet nowadays.

This post has been edited by solstice818: Dec 15 2011, 03:37 AM

Didn't mean to take this further but the way I see it, everyone, including myself, has to assume what's on your mind to answer that....But, erm, let's just say that that's a piece of advice which you have your ultimate liberty in following or not following. Didn't mean any offense but the way I see it if you wanna ask a question, let's ask it in a clearer way.It's your future we are talking about, not some online games... Anyway, ignore me because I always think that language is your weapon in legal field and if you cant master it well enough, it will backfire on you... If you feel offended, forgive me

You sure they tell you you cant practice?

Ok here's the thing. Basically, they are of the same thing. It's just that the transfer degree thing, we called it twinning which available in 1+2 or 2+1... The 3+0 is called external degree where you do everything in local. The difference between these two are, slight difference in syllabus and when you graduate( from what I heard, not too sure about it) external degree now, the certs come with the word "External degree" printed...unlike the old time , there's no such words printed...Whether it's 1+2, 2+1 or 3+0, you still need to take CLP/ BPTC in order to practice...

Did he tell you why you cant practice if you take the external one? I think he made a mistake there. Even if you do the transfer degree programme, you still need to take up CLP /BPTC to practice... Correct me if I am wrong.

Yup, not recognize which mean you cant practice..... List of Uni recognized by Bar Council is stated in first page

No point going for that if you ask me. Might as well do External Degree under UoL