Hmm, i wonder then y 1 of my friend who did UWE till year 2 but now have to take UOL and retake Inter again because wanna accompany gf so that they can go to UK together..now she commenting that UOL and UWE syllabus is different and it's much harder. Though she got 2nd class uppers in UWE.

Cardiff... i think my batch was the last to have the University of Cardiff cert, now its known as University of Wales. I believed pre 2005 there was a massive merger of Welsh universities.

General perception is Degree gets u to the foot mat outside the door and the rest depends on ur skill to convince the inerviewer.

Your certificate rather than ur twinning prog would make a difference but prolly just 2% chance that it would affect the interviewers decision to employ u. in % terms its small, but in an interview for a job every % counts... from how u dress, talk etc...

Note. i said made some difference, but not a whole lot,


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Xziled
"Hmm, i wonder then y 1 of my friend who did UWE till year 2 but now have to take UOL and retake Inter again because wanna accompany gf so that they can go to UK together..now she commenting that UOL and UWE syllabus is different and it's much harder. Though she got 2nd class uppers in UWE."

I wonder why he wanted to waste so much $ just to accompany his gf, well not the first case i've heard of anyway.

Well syllabus difference, i got no comment on it depends on the Uni actually or the lecturer concern. I heard the same thing too for UOL, its much harder compared to doing your law degree in UK Uni's but than again...

It's a matter whether ur lecturer can get the msg through to the students and students understanding the subjct matter.

any one know whats is the basics requirement for pre law?
and is form 5 school forcast result able to enter?

you need A levels.

Anyway, whether my friend waste money or not it doesn't matter and not concerning the topic also
But the subject matter taught in UWE is different and more brief i guess. Even i heard from the staff in my college saying that can easily pass or maybe a B without any conclusion in ur essays. even for Uni of Northumbria also the syllabus r almost the same except for a few which is more to cover but not in depth. Btw, it is clarified previously that i said that ppl who take the course from Uni of Northumbria cannot practice here in M'sia if they do it locally unless they go over there and do it or u can practice but u have to sit for the BAR hence for the compulsory subject of EU law.

After SPM, take A'lvls 1st before taking up any law degree programme i guess. Applicable for most law courses, BOJ i not sure but i think same coz need STPM also izzit?

Anyway, whether my friend waste money or not it doesn't matter and not concerning the topic also
lol, had to reply to it since you left the statement there.

But the subject matter taught in UWE is different and more brief i guess. Even i heard from the staff in my college saying that can easily pass or maybe a B without any conclusion in ur essays. even for Uni of Northumbria also the syllabus r almost the same except for a few which is more to cover but not in depth. Btw, it is clarified previously that i said that ppl who take the course from Uni of Northumbria cannot practice here in M'sia if they do it locally unless they go over there and do it or u can practice but u have to sit for the BAR hence for the compulsory subject of EU law.

Whether the syllabus is simpler, easier to pass, or how the examination takes place is of little importance so long its recognized and accredited by the relevant agencies in UK (or that matter if ur plannin to practice in My, recognized by the Malaysian Bar)

Btw, it is clarified previously that i said that ppl who take the course from Uni of Northumbria cannot practice here in M'sia if they do it locally unless they go over there and do it or u can practice but u have to sit for the BAR hence for the compulsory subject of EU law

I find this sentence misleading are you really and absolutely sure that Uni of Northumbria graduates cant practice in My?

sry too lazy to find the link, but i suggest u read page 1 some hints here and there or the Malaysian Bar web site.

After SPM, take A'lvls 1st before taking up any law degree programme i guess. Applicable for most law courses, BOJ i not sure but i think same coz need STPM also izzit?

alternative STPM... read the Malaysian Bar web site for qualification & requirements

Lol, well forgive me..imo, those taking UWE wants the easy way out and of course in the course of doing so spends using more $$. If claiming that going abroad is the reason to be exposed to different experiences and cultures, u also can do that in UOL. So anyway heck it.

For Uni of Northumbria, my friend is taking it so that's what i heard. U can practice it if u do the BAR or continue ur last year in UK. Those who r taking that path can go research themselves if they want.

If u have such a view, well ur definately entitled to it no matter how right or wrong it may sound but my personal opinion is that you should refrain from making bias and unproductive statements.

Hearing from someone somewhere and knowing something for a fact is important, if ur a lawyer trying to dispense advise by hearing it from somewhere I'd be very concerned as a Client.

gd luck to u.

This post has been edited by aurora97: Nov 7 2008, 09:39 AM

I do not think it's unproductive and bias because if ppl is asking abt the comparison between these 2 programmes, it would definitely be relevant to them.

Secondly, it's true that my statements may not be accurate, but too bad sue me if u do not like it..Others can clarify with it and double check with it and obviously they should. I, myself would had done so including after reading from the 1st page.

Name me anyone who had actually completed their LL.B from Northumbria without going to the UK for their 3rd year (excluding distance learning programme).

You'll get your answer this way.

No point discussing this matter further as it seems to be taking a wrong turn in this thread.

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Nov 7 2008, 11:28 PM

The programme from Uni of Northumbria just started here in my college this year as in they can do it locally without going there for the final year, so the ppl in my class (quite a number of them) r the 1st batch of ppl. So if u wanna know the results, wait till next year after the exams. I can name damn hell a lot of ppl but i guess, it's of no use coz u won't even know them..what for u wanna know the names?

If u have doubts, come BAC and ask for urself.

Cheers~

Considering that,
they are the 1st batch of students;
you failed to understand the significance of at least 1 person who actually went through the route described by you; and
you are suggesting that we wait until next year for the result(presumably for the first batch to graduate without going to Northumbria itself),

then why was a suggestion made that they are not allowed to sit for the CLP when no attempts were made by them to do so? I would concede and accept your claim if it is based on a statement issued by the Qualifying Board. However, there was no indication that this is the case.

In accordance with para 1.0 on the first page of this thread, it would not be helpful if everyone presents their opinion with regard to a particular route without proper considerations to the question 'Why'. Consider the effect of a 100 page thread that is supposed to assist others with regard to their future education being filled with unsubstantiated opinions.



At the very least, you should quote the reason why did you say that it is clarified, who clarified it and whether that person or body is reliable(and possibly why so). Do note that your source may have a mistaken perception with regard to the situation.


First of all, before making any statement that may be misleading,
Identify the title of the qualification(a 3+0 might not really be a 3+0 because it might be a distance learning programme, eg: UOL's external system) and perhaps the mode of study(if relevant);
Thereafter, contact the Qualifying Board for verification; and
Finally, share your findings if you so wish.

My point is simple, do not assert something without substance. The most reliable source is still the Qualifying Board and Section 3 of the Legal Profession Act 1976.

Considering that we are on this topic and I have yet to update the first page of this thread, I would like to bring everyone's attention to the Bar Professional Training Course that is due to replace the Bar Vocational Course. This course is expected to start in 2010. The passing mark will be increased by 5% from 60% to 65%. There will no longer be 3 attempts for the failed module. There is only 1 attempt.

The most significant of all would be the Aptitude Test that is required before being eligible to enrol for the Bar Professional Training Course.

The implementation of the entrance examination and the new course (with a new syllabus) is in line with Derek Woods QC's recommendation this year.

Please contact the Bar Standards Board for further information.

Bar Standards Board
289-293 High Holborn
London
WC1V 7HZ
DX: 240 LDE
Tel: 020 7611 1444
Fax: 020 7831 9217

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Nov 9 2008, 05:59 AM

If u want clarification from the Qualifying Board and all, nope, i dun think i will go through the hassle to find out because in the 1st place i'm just sharing what i know. Then just erase or forget the stuff that i've shared. As i mentioned, to those who have doubts can just check with the respective colleges /uni's to find out more abt the routes.
Btw, i wouldn't want to take up ur task for providing info, guess u're the only 1 free to do it

This post has been edited by Xziled: Nov 9 2008, 08:29 PM

This thread is an education thread, I believe those who contributed did so with their own experience and their own free will to do so to guide those who would like to pursue a career in the legal profession on the right track.

Like many students who are "Ignorant", who do not bother about finding out further information into the courses they r taking... end up either:

A) DOING COURSES NOT ACCREDITED/RECOGNIZED BY THE MALAYSIAN GOV, THE MALAYSIAN QUALIFIYING BOARD AND THE UK BAR;
B) DID NOT DO THE REQUISITE SUBJECTS REQUIRED TO QUALIFY AS A SOLICTOR AND ADVOCATE IN MALAYSIA OR IN THE UK; &
C) GOING TO COLLEGES & UNIVERSITIES NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE MALAYSIAN GOV, THE MALAYSIAN QUALIFYING BOARD AND THE UK BAR.

As i mentioned, to those who have doubts can just check with the respective colleges /uni's to find out more abt the routes.

I am not suprised one day to find a thread saying, the College/Uni told me that the College/Uni was accredited by the Malaysia Gov fr a particular course but how come my degree got rejcted after completeing the 5 yrs course and spending Rm XX-XXX!?

Life is too short for such mistakes, 5 yrs wasted a paper degree turned into toilet paper and after spending thousands of ur parents hard earn money. Whereas asking for such crucial information could have savd you all the above problems.

I hope you read newspapers cause such things do happen.

Btw, i wouldn't want to take up ur task for providing info, guess u're the only 1 free to do it

If u think the idea of contributing to a forum is such a waste of time, why r u still here?

This post has been edited by aurora97: Nov 10 2008, 10:12 AM

Your statements r so contradicting, 1st say dun mind ppl's own views and opinions and then counter it with something else? 2nd, i DID contribute with my own experiences and u want me to substantiate it with official Qualifying Board's verification? Do u c in daily life or daily routine if i experienced anything in my studies actually have anything to do with the QB?


Who's being ignorant? o_O i'm already in my final year of degree. I'm not asking nor seeking any advise or views also? i'm just answering those who have questions. Common sense will kick in, and that ppl gotta verify and check properly before registering into a uni. Even though, we provide tons of info..doesn't gurantee that someone wouldn't get conned isn't it?

Btw, for the last statement..i think i didn't mentioned it clearly that by taking his task is to go through all the hassle to find sources and what not.
Life and being a lawyer doesn't mean you got to know every single detail or knowledge eg.all the cases or the info on routes to be a lawyer. In reality, u think that all lawyers know everything? Guess u never heard of learning the art of perception and art of bullshyting? i bullsh!t through all my exams though with little help of cases and authority but hey! i'm still here rite? Ppl think i know a lot but actually i know just enough to pass my godd@mn exams. And when u come out to practice or even to working life, that's a whole new ball game altogether.

So open your eyes a little wider to c the whole picture!

Guys and gurls , I gonna sit for English Legal System pAPer 1 tomorrow !!! Hopefully JP, SI , DL , PACE ACT , JURIES , JUDGES Wil come out ...

Good luck & all the best

LOL....Finally , SI , DL and JURIES came out ,and i didnt really memories the points for juries .
The question requires me to write down the arguments for lay Magistrate and Juries in court .....

I think i answered SI and DL quite well , but i think i screwed up the JUries and Magistrate question !

I hope it will be fine . At least i answered all 3 questions and almost most of my friends answer only 2 ....
Worry about them lar....

Tomorrow is Law paper 2 turn ....

Hurray ! and left only Tort , COntract , and sociology paper 3 .....

and i am done !

u took AS and A2 together in 1 shot?

Yup .....