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sexy93
post Apr 5 2011, 06:41 PM

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i have a pretty dumb question to ask...

my parents ask me to take law but i don't even know ANYTHING about law...i only know about computers and engineering...but they say these days they pay is not good anymore... so yeaah..

is law hard? i dunno what course to take also..totally blur in this...

btw..im a spm leaver sad.gif
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post Apr 5 2011, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(sexy93 @ Apr 5 2011, 10:41 AM)
i have a pretty dumb question to ask...

my parents ask me to take law but i don't even know ANYTHING about law...i only know about computers and engineering...but they say these days they pay is not good anymore... so yeaah..

is law hard? i dunno what course to take also..totally blur in this...

btw..im a spm leaver sad.gif
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Well, i find it rather difficult to label law as either tough or easy. I would say it is not as hard as you think as long as you have invested times and efforts, however, it is definitely not an easy one. Passing with law degree is rather common.However,if you're aiming a 2:1 or a very rare 1st class result, you'll need a good level of English + right attitude + breakthrough thinking.

It is axiomatic truth that language is the weapon of lawyers. Therefore, you're definitely be required to hit a level of competence in English. Not to a level of how the classic English literatures are being written, however, there must be no errors in grammar and sentence construction.Grammar helps you in expressing your view clearly and vocabulary assists you in understanding the law that equips you with a good level of expression too. Grammar will always be the base of your English, however, vocabulary shall not be disregarded so that you understand what is dictated by the fellow academicians and judges.

Keep yourself update on what is really going on, it would put you in a right position if you get to read the news everyday.
A book in a day makes you a better person. Knowlegde in general is very pivotal that will enhance your law study skills. This helps you in understanding the philosophy behind the law/ legal theory.

True, whatever laws or theories stated on the book/judgements are essential; However, if you dont get to apply it and try relating it to the real world out there, it makes no use just like a dog that didnt bark.Having input is important, it is more significant for a law student to make those inputs in correspondence in this reality.Independent thinking with breakthrough idea is the coin you must get yourself in possession. Simply, afterall it is a question about problem solving. There could be numerous ways in solving a problem. Thereby, there is a saying:" there is no right or wrong answer in law." The most concerned issue is which one makes more sense, more convincing and better.

Just my two cents. Good luck ! smile.gif
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post Apr 5 2011, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(jhong @ Apr 5 2011, 09:27 PM)
Well, i find it rather difficult to label law as either tough or easy. I would say it is not as hard as you think as long as you have invested times and efforts, however, it is definitely not an easy one. Passing with law degree is rather common.However,if you're aiming a 2:1 or a very rare 1st class result, you'll need a good level of English + right attitude + breakthrough thinking.

It is axiomatic truth that language is the weapon of lawyers. Therefore, you're definitely be required to hit a level of competence in English. Not to a level of how the classic English literatures are being written, however, there must be no errors in grammar and sentence construction.Grammar helps you in expressing your view clearly and vocabulary assists you in understanding the law that equips you with a good level of expression too. Grammar will always be the base of your English, however, vocabulary shall not be disregarded so that you understand what is dictated by the fellow academicians and judges.

Keep yourself update on what is really going on, it would put you in a right position if you get to read the news everyday.
A book in a day makes you a better person. Knowlegde in general is very pivotal that will enhance your law study skills. This helps you in understanding the philosophy behind the law/ legal theory.

True, whatever laws or theories stated on the book/judgements are essential;  However, if you dont get to apply it and try relating it to the real world out there, it makes no use just like a dog that didnt bark.Having input is important, it is more significant for a law student to make those inputs in correspondence in this reality.Independent thinking with breakthrough idea is the coin you must get yourself in possession. Simply, afterall it is a question about problem solving. There could be numerous ways in solving a problem. Thereby, there is a saying:" there is no right or wrong answer in law." The most concerned issue is which one makes more sense, more convincing and better.

Just my two cents. Good luck ! smile.gif
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a book in a day?????
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post Apr 6 2011, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(fivewinning @ Apr 5 2011, 03:15 PM)
a book in a day?????
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Lols....hahaha, thats what i was told hmm.gif , but it basically means you must make sure you get some readings. smile.gif
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post Apr 6 2011, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(jhong @ Apr 6 2011, 12:13 AM)
Lols....hahaha, thats what i was told  hmm.gif  , but it basically means you must make sure you get some readings.  smile.gif
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u do that yourself? u're law student? just curious tongue.gif
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kay, dumb questions comin right up.

ATC or BAC ?[/B][U]

basically, im thinkin about LLB > CLP > pupillage > barrister . Amen.
from what i've read,84pages! well........... everyone has got their points. now i supposed BAC offers better CLP prog whereas ATCs' LLB is better because of the whole "goodlecturers/statistics/lecturers:student ratio"crap, but what the hell, think at the end of the day everything goes back to whether or not you yourself are willing to strive for your future.
and thats that. blah
so erm,
what i want is some serious competition. that way you will always wanna be better, and keep yourself grounded.i think- - so, i chose taylors earlier on, thought because its taylors ... you know... taylors??
the-glamorous-college-that-won-some-law-debate-thing-advertized-at-the-papers-taylors?so i thought, wow there must be some serious shit goin on at the taylors.
but after following the posts here, gosh, i gotta say, wake up call much?
the way i see it now, everybody that wants to be anybody in law field will wanna go to ATC /BAC. because...........?

hmmmmmmm
i need some points, really..
really SOLID points, please. preferably from current students. please~~~~
and im from borneo you see,edu fair? they dont sell what ATC/BAC crap here, too bad.
and one more thing, i scored pretty well in my stpm , so should i wait for the UPU thing to announce the result to enter IPTA, (my teachers told me its a sure thing,they'll take me in, meaning way cheaper fees) but i think they'll gimme some lame course and OMG lame lecturers in IPTAs i heard......-.-?
so! should i wait for taylors' intake on Dec? or really, consider BAC/ATC , BACs' intakes on June/Sept, accordin to what i found on their site. and ATC > March intake only? long passed. im screwed. tried calling them but all i got was crazy dial tone. sad case!

not even sure of anything right now. but i really really really really just wanna get right back to school.
reading this thread sure helped a lot, inspiring in many ways,thanks guys!

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HELP ME , please.........
not goin to pack my bags without some definite directions,no. plus, ending up on square one will definitely look really really ugly,imagine having trust issues with your parents ! omg!no...........................

sorry for the bad language. im no good with english.

happy wishes for everyone ! (:
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post Apr 6 2011, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(fivewinning @ Apr 6 2011, 08:22 AM)
u do that yourself? u're law student? just curious  tongue.gif
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Yup, i'm a law student.I basically do that myself. Basically not that i'm very determined or self-disciplined. ohmy.gif
Thats actually because i will be having tutorials every week and given a long reading list for each subject.
Importantly, the tutorials are compulsory so i have no choice even if i'm so unwilling and reluctant to do this.
Not much a good attitude, i have seen students that really make my eyes opened with the amount of readings they had.
Hahaha.... smile.gif

Good luck ! But everyone has their own study method, so it depends. icon_rolleyes.gif

This post has been edited by jhong: Apr 6 2011, 05:42 PM
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post Apr 7 2011, 01:20 PM

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Dear Sir/ Madam,

I'm seeking for a proper guide or advice as I tend to upgrade my self by pursuing a study in Law. Basically, I'm a degree holder majoring in Computer Science and Management Mathematics from College Tunku Abdul Rahman. I was graduated in 2003 and currently working as an Assistant Programme Officer with Indian Cultural Centre, High Commission of India. I came to know that University of Malaya is offering a Bachelor in Jurisprudence (External)(BOL) but was not quite sure whether this course is recognized and if it is not recognized will I be able to do CLP to complete the law course like other LLB students. I'm not really intended to practice law in court but to be a legal advisor or a lecturer teaching law subject upon my completion in Bachelor of Jurisprudence, do I really need to do LLB or Bachelor of Jurisprudence from UM. Asia Brickfields college is also offering LLB from University of London and is it recognized by the Malaysian Bar Council. Please kindly advice me, which would be a better choice...to read law in Asia Brickfields college (LLB from University of London) or Bachelor of Jurisprudence from University Malaya. I wanted to do something that is recognized although never thought of practice law in court but at least to be a legal advisor or lecturer, what should I do. Please advice me. Thank you
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QUOTE(jhong @ Apr 6 2011, 12:13 AM)
Lols....hahaha, thats what i was told  hmm.gif  , but it basically means you must make sure you get some readings.  smile.gif
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I like reading books. But not law books. Though most cases are interesting like in those movies. Yeah, most of my classmates really dedicated in researching and arguing case to case. Wow. Now i have to buck up.


Added on April 14, 2011, 2:24 am
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15.0 Can a candidate who fail to satisfy the 2 principals in one sitting requirement for STPM or its equivalent sit for STPM or A levels after his or her law degree in order to qualify to sit for the CLP Examination?

No, because it does not apply retrospectively. The candidate must have entered the law degree either with the required result or as a mature student. If the candidate does not satisfy this requirement then the only option would be for the candidate to appeal. As of 1st January 2008, there has yet to be a successful appeal.


Honestly, i'm taking this dangerous risk. Another classmate of mine is also taking this risk. 3 years of Pre-Law in A-Levels, really is suffering and fed up. No one else to blame but ourselves.

This post has been edited by M@Y: Apr 14 2011, 02:24 AM
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I would like to know if there's any institution that offers paralegal courses? Tried to google but couldn't find any information. As far as I know, it's not necessary to have a law degree to be a paralegal but, it's surely an added advantage. What's the prospective/future as paralegal?
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what are the lawyers's job scope like ? I mean did they need to attend on court if they been asked to ? Did they always need to arguing or debating ? what other works did they do normally ?

If I've interested to become one of them, did I neede to sharpen up my english as well as malay language in order to be competent with others ?

I've heard that CLP was really tough and most of them barely can pass the exam..how true was that ? Did the lawyers are in the healthy demand right now at the moment ?
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lol... go back to page #1 of this post...
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post Apr 21 2011, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(jhong @ Apr 5 2011, 09:27 PM)
Well, i find it rather difficult to label law as either tough or easy. I would say it is not as hard as you think as long as you have invested times and efforts, however, it is definitely not an easy one. Passing with law degree is rather common.However,if you're aiming a 2:1 or a very rare 1st class result, you'll need a good level of English + right attitude + breakthrough thinking.

It is axiomatic truth that language is the weapon of lawyers. Therefore, you're definitely be required to hit a level of competence in English. Not to a level of how the classic English literatures are being written, however, there must be no errors in grammar and sentence construction.Grammar helps you in expressing your view clearly and vocabulary assists you in understanding the law that equips you with a good level of expression too. Grammar will always be the base of your English, however, vocabulary shall not be disregarded so that you understand what is dictated by the fellow academicians and judges.

Keep yourself update on what is really going on, it would put you in a right position if you get to read the news everyday.
A book in a day makes you a better person. Knowlegde in general is very pivotal that will enhance your law study skills. This helps you in understanding the philosophy behind the law/ legal theory.

True, whatever laws or theories stated on the book/judgements are essential;  However, if you dont get to apply it and try relating it to the real world out there, it makes no use just like a dog that didnt bark.Having input is important, it is more significant for a law student to make those inputs in correspondence in this reality.Independent thinking with breakthrough idea is the coin you must get yourself in possession. Simply, afterall it is a question about problem solving. There could be numerous ways in solving a problem. Thereby, there is a saying:" there is no right or wrong answer in law." The most concerned issue is which one makes more sense, more convincing and better.

Just my two cents. Good luck ! smile.gif
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wow! a book in a day~~~ i try to do it ! lolz
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post Apr 22 2011, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(sexy93 @ Apr 5 2011, 06:41 PM)
i have a pretty dumb question to ask...

my parents ask me to take law but i don't even know ANYTHING about law...i only know about computers and engineering...but they say these days they pay is not good anymore... so yeaah..

is law hard? i dunno what course to take also..totally blur in this...

btw..im a spm leaver sad.gif
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If you are entering the legal field, expecting a handsome pay, then forget it. A fresh grads for a law degree, tend to get a lower pay than a fresh grad engineer as far as I m concerned.

To get a desirable pay in legal field, you have to work your sock off . Try to get into partnership then talk about handsome pay. smile.gif


Added on April 22, 2011, 12:51 am
QUOTE(TanJinKei @ Apr 16 2011, 09:04 AM)
what are the lawyers's job scope like ? I mean did they need to attend on court if they been asked to ? Did they always need to arguing or debating ? what other works did they do normally ?

If I've interested to become one of them, did I neede to sharpen up my english as well as malay language in order to be competent with others ?

I've heard that CLP was really tough and most of them barely can pass the exam..how true was that ? Did the lawyers are in the healthy demand right now at the moment ?
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Decent level of both English and Malay languages are required because some courts do use Malay as the medium of language.

As for the CLP, yes, it is tough but I think if you work hard enough, everything will be just fine.

This post has been edited by solstice818: Apr 22 2011, 12:51 AM
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i want to know the duration for the LLB degree if i choose to applying on this september intake.. i know that most of the january intake done its law degree within 2 and a half years..how about sep intake then?
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QUOTE(buttergirl @ Apr 22 2011, 06:37 PM)
i want to know the duration for the LLB degree if i choose to applying on this september intake.. i know that most of the january intake done its law degree within 2 and a half years..how about sep intake then?
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September intake of this year would graduate the same time as the January intake of next year.
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post Apr 23 2011, 01:51 PM

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did LLB students expect to be fluent in english speaking and love to read a lot, I mean the law journal...
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post Apr 23 2011, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(buttergirl @ Apr 23 2011, 01:51 PM)
did LLB students expect to be fluent in english speaking and love to read a lot, I mean the law journal...
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You dont have to be perfect in speaking English but The very least is to be able to speak decent English.Something everyone can understand...

A lot of people say law is about reading and memorizing. Let's just say that loving to read a lot is not necessary but read and able to understand is more fundamental. You can read a lot and still end up not understanding a single thing. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Apr 23 2011, 04:32 PM)
You dont have to be perfect in speaking English but The very least is to be able to speak decent English.Something everyone can understand...

A lot of people say law is about reading and memorizing. Let's just say that loving to read a lot is not necessary but read and able to understand is more fundamental. You can read a lot and still end up not understanding a single thing. laugh.gif
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not really. i know bunch of lawyers speaking lousy english. and of course some with excellent command in language, plus accent samo.. lol.. so it really depends..
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QUOTE(fivewinning @ Apr 24 2011, 12:52 AM)
not really. i know bunch of lawyers speaking lousy english. and of course some with excellent command in language, plus accent samo.. lol.. so it really depends..
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Which is why I said something understandable? nod.gif

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