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post Sep 4 2009, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(JoBigShow @ Sep 4 2009, 12:02 AM)
Most E7400 can run 3.5ghz@ stock vcore/"automatic", 1.35v is in the region of 3.8ghz-ish. (hell some chip can run 4.0ghz on that vcore.)
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i did try running 333x10.5 with auto Vcore, tat shoots up to 1.31V shown in cpu-z.. rclxub.gif

as i mentioned earlier i set my Vcore to 1.28750V to get a stable 333x10.5..

do u remember how much is yr voltage when u set it auto?
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post Sep 4 2009, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(JoBigShow @ Sep 4 2009, 12:02 AM)
In the class of P35, the abit doing pretty good in OCing, but it has a rival in competition:
DFI Blood Iron P35-T2RL 
Price: RM340@ LYPlaza.
These two board has always been competing with one another..(equivalent to the rivalry of Subaru impreza WRX sti vs. Mitsubishi Evo) nod.gif 
But this was back years ago, its just up to what u prefer...
The abit is better looking, but the DFI may look simple, but it got tricks up its sleeves.
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As for your mobo, the msi p43-neo 3 should have no prob OCing the E7400 more than 3.6ghz.
Most E7400 can run 3.5ghz@ stock vcore/"automatic", 1.35v is in the region of 3.8ghz-ish. (hell some chip can run 4.0ghz on that vcore.)

The real power of CM Extreme 460 is about 435w, hope this is enough for OCing hmm.gif
U can calculate the Watts usage in your entire system here, just in case:
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

What the temp of u'r E7400? Do you use after market CPU coolers? One thing i can thinks of right now due to insufficient info:
The cpu might reached a certain Autoshutdown when reached TJMax or BIOS auto shutdowns when cpu temp reached 90c plus(or what the bios specifies)...

333 x 10.5, are using 677mhz rams? Btw, is your 'FSB to Northbridge strap' set to 333 as well? need a little more info bro tongue.gif
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about the psu i think like not enough..
1.35 vcore can reach 3.8??
damn..so many time try..FAILED rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
i oso try to increase a vcore n oso FAILED rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

my oc data..

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QUOTE(farscope @ Sep 4 2009, 12:49 AM)
i did try running 333x10.5 with auto Vcore, tat shoots up to 1.31V shown in cpu-z..  rclxub.gif

as i mentioned earlier i set my Vcore to 1.28750V to get a stable 333x10.5..

do u remember how much is yr voltage when u set it auto?
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i hear that never set to auto vcore bcoz i maybe can reach a high vcore..
is it rite??

This post has been edited by hantu667: Sep 4 2009, 01:13 AM
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post Sep 4 2009, 01:15 AM

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are you sure your +12v is 10.++v? it's too low i think..it should be 11.4v-12.3v....
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post Sep 4 2009, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(farscope @ Sep 4 2009, 12:49 AM)
i did try running 333x10.5 with auto Vcore, tat shoots up to 1.31V shown in cpu-z..  rclxub.gif

as i mentioned earlier i set my Vcore to 1.28750V to get a stable 333x10.5..

do u remember how much is yr voltage when u set it auto?
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For my previous 334 x 10.5; I think it was around 1.26v, with v-droop it was 1.242v in CPU-Z.
Plus I was using Artic Cooling Freezer Xtreme that time, maybe the low temps contribute to my stability @ that vcore settings. hmm.gif

Just to remind u i used that setting bcoz thats the maximum ghz you can get if you use DDR2 667mhz ram to get that 1:1, nod.gif
now i'm using hyperx 800mhz, my usual preset of OCing is: 3.4ghz, 3.6ghz, 3.8ghz, 4.0ghz, etc.....

These days I'm experimenting on how much FSB can my mobo handle, (ASUS P5QL-Pro) latest trial is:
FSB 420 : DRAM 841mhz (1:1), i have to increase the hyperX from 1.8v to 2.0v to be stable, but fails at times..probably because to changed my timing from 5-5-5-15 to 4-4-4-12... sweat.gif
Still in the experiment phase though.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(nidzamputra @ Sep 4 2009, 01:15 AM)
are you sure your +12v is 10.++v? it's too low i think..it should be 11.4v-12.3v....
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what +12v mean..
n how to make it higher bro..
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post Sep 4 2009, 01:21 AM

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what i know la..+12v rail is for psu stability...more +12v droop mean not stable..correct me if wrong opinion about this...

p/s: what is your psu using right now?sometimes the software give wrong reading..better check in your bios...
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post Sep 4 2009, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(nidzamputra @ Sep 4 2009, 01:21 AM)
what i know la..+12v rail is for psu stability...more +12v droop mean not stable..correct me if wrong opinion about this...

p/s: what is your psu using right now?sometimes the software give wrong reading..better check in your bios...
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it all about psu la..
im using CM EXTRME 460..
need change ? to better oc
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post Sep 4 2009, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(hantu667 @ Sep 4 2009, 01:17 AM)
what +12v mean..
n how to make it higher bro..
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There's two version of CM Extreme 460; one is the one u'r using currently and 2nd is the newer one : CM Extreme 460 Plus
the 'CM460 Plus' has revised railings for the +12v since the older version has encounter lots of problems in term of railings and low true power output..
as low as 430w-ish of true power if i remember..

Yes your +12v is pretty low, should be at least 11v minimum, 11.8v average.

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post Sep 4 2009, 01:33 AM

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from my experience bro..actually i'm also using E8400 E0 stepping also but need high Vcore (1.38v) to make it stable at 4.0ghz sad.gif ...if you can see majority E8400 E0 stepping can do 4.0ghz with 1.28v without problem...even i used TX750W psu...so it's depend on your proc & luck also...
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QUOTE(JoBigShow @ Sep 4 2009, 01:30 AM)
There's two version of CM Extreme 460; one is the one u'r using currently and 2nd is the newer one : CM Extreme 460 Plus
the 'CM460 Plus' has revised railings for the +12v since the older version has encounter lots of problems in term of railings and low true power output..
as low as 430w-ish of true power if i remember..

Yes your +12v is pretty low, should be at least 11v minimum, 11.4v average.
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mine is xtream power plus..
i will try that.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Sep 4 2009, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(hantu667 @ Sep 4 2009, 01:35 AM)
mine is xtream power plus..
i will try that.. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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If its Exreme power plus, then the problem might be elsewhere.
(i'm not an electrician, but u'r +12v is STILL pretty low, probably i'm just wrong about the CM 460Plus,
maybe the CM460Plus hasnt improve much on its railings... hope any other CMextreme+ users can clarify me on this)


But of course still cant ruled out the possibility of PSU insufficient power output.
I think you should try very troubleshoot possible before deciding to buy new PSU's,
but if u got the $$$, a new PSU is somewhat recommendable and a good investment in the future u want to upgrade hardware bro nod.gif


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post Sep 4 2009, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(nidzamputra @ Sep 4 2009, 01:33 AM)
from my experience bro..actually i'm also using E8400 E0 stepping also but need high Vcore (1.38v) to make it stable at 4.0ghz  sad.gif ...if you can see majority E8400 E0 stepping can do 4.0ghz with 1.28v without problem...even i used TX750W psu...so it's depend on your proc & luck also...
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really2 luck bro.. biggrin.gif
normally i see E8400 easy oc to 4ghz..damn.. tongue.gif



QUOTE(JoBigShow @ Sep 4 2009, 01:49 AM)
If its Exreme power plus, then the problem might be elsewhere.
(i'm not an electrician, but u'r +12v is STILL pretty low, probably i'm just wrong about the CM 460Plus,
maybe the CM460Plus hasnt improve much on its railings... hope any other CMextreme+ users can clarify me on this)


But of course still cant ruled out the possibility of PSU insufficient power output.
I think you should try very troubleshoot possible before deciding to buy new PSU's,
but if u got the $$$, a new PSU is somewhat recommendable and a good investment in the future u want to upgrade hardware bro nod.gif
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i oso think to new psu n grapics card.. icon_rolleyes.gif
maybe nxt year..no money rite now..

p/s..i try 3.65ghz with 1.36 vcore..stable.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
about 12v--still cannot solve..still at 10.++..hahha

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QUOTE(hantu667 @ Sep 4 2009, 02:20 AM)
p/s..i try 3.65ghz with 1.36 vcore..stable.. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
about 12v--still cannot solve..still at 10.++..hahha
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3.65ghz, whats u'r FSB now??? If its 400 and slightly above, then its good when running with DDR2 800. I think when u were OC'ing @3.5ghz, u downclocked u'r DDR2 800mhz DRAM to 678mhz-ish, which i presume might cause some instability. Maybe all these time the problem has to do with the Dram freq., not the Vcore because E7400 @3.5ghz does not really need to be push up to 1.35v...(maybe those unlucky chips might have to)

When u'r using DDR2 800, its recommended to OC u'r CPU to: (IMO nod.gif )
3.4ghz (400 x 8.5)
3.6ghz (400 x 9)
3.8ghz, (400 x 9.5)
4.0ghz, (400 x 10)
etc..........
^^^This is a common baseline for overclocking CPU with DDR2 800. (without needing to OC the DRAM) Later u can fine tune...
And as a bonus you obtain the FSB to Dram ratio of 1:1 biggrin.gif

With the FSB maintain at 400,(or slightly above) u dont have to overclocked/downlocked u'r DRAM frequency.
When OC'ing DRAM, usually need to alter the DRAM voltage or choose a compatible settings for 'clock twister' for stability.
e.g. my DDR2 is at 820mhz(410mhz)@1.9v; or 840(421mhz)@2.0v to remain stable.
But right now i'm on stock 800(400mhz) @1.8/AUTO.

Yeah the amps of the railings u cannot do anything about it once you bought a PSU.
But i think u'r PSU is good enough when u are currently using 9600 GT.
(FYI, 400w of real power and 26Amps on the 12v rail (combined) is more than enough for this card)

HD4850, 4870, 9800GT, GTs250, etc.. has drop its price significantly these days, just FYI if u'r planning to get those GC,
u at least need PSU with 500w+ of real power; 600w+ real power for SLI and C.Fire nod.gif

Anywayz, try playing around with those settings i recommend above and report back bro,
bcoz these are valuable data/info for all other E7xxx users to read. thumbup.gif
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post Sep 4 2009, 09:39 AM

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omg.. talking about 12V+, i juz check mine, it just show 1.0V+ and sometimes not showing.. y ah? rclxub.gif
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software bugs maybe..what software you using it?

try everest ultimate edition latest version...

for me software just reference only..but i trust the reading from bios...
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HWmonitor n Everest oso show same reading.. sometimes 0.06V then sometimes disappear..

will check in bios later..
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QUOTE(JoBigShow @ Sep 4 2009, 03:35 AM)
3.65ghz, whats u'r FSB now??? If its 400 and slightly above, then its good when running with DDR2 800. I think when u were OC'ing @3.5ghz, u downclocked u'r DDR2 800mhz DRAM to 678mhz-ish, which i presume might cause some instability. Maybe all these time the problem has to do with the Dram freq., not the Vcore because E7400 @3.5ghz does not really need to be push up to 1.35v...(maybe those unlucky chips might have to)

When u'r using DDR2 800, its recommended to OC u'r CPU to: (IMO nod.gif )
3.4ghz (400 x 8.5)
3.6ghz (400 x 9)
3.8ghz, (400 x 9.5)
4.0ghz, (400 x 10) 
etc..........
^^^This is a common baseline for overclocking CPU with DDR2 800. (without needing to OC the DRAM) Later u can fine tune...
      And as a bonus you obtain the FSB to Dram ratio of 1:1  biggrin.gif

With the FSB maintain at 400,(or slightly above) u dont have to overclocked/downlocked u'r DRAM frequency.
When OC'ing DRAM, usually need to alter the DRAM voltage or choose a compatible settings for 'clock twister' for stability. 
e.g.  my DDR2 is at 820mhz(410mhz)@1.9v; or 840(421mhz)@2.0v to remain stable.
But right now i'm on stock 800(400mhz) @1.8/AUTO.

Yeah the amps of the railings u cannot do anything about it once you bought a PSU.
But i think u'r PSU is good enough when u are currently using 9600 GT.
(FYI, 400w of real power and 26Amps on the 12v rail (combined) is more than enough for this card)

HD4850, 4870, 9800GT, GTs250, etc.. has drop its price significantly these days, just FYI if u'r planning to get those GC,
u at least need PSU with 500w+ of real power; 600w+ real power for SLI and C.Fire  nod.gif

Anywayz, try playing around with those settings i recommend above and report back bro,
bcoz these are valuable data/info for all other E7xxx users to read.  thumbup.gif
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BRO..I CANT SET TO 400 X 9 FSB..
IT WILL SHOW PREVIOUS OC IS FAILED..
EVEN I SET fsb to 400 x 7 is oso failed.. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

one more, is it ABIT IP35-E about 150 is worth to buy??
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QUOTE(farscope @ Sep 4 2009, 11:46 AM)
HWmonitor n Everest oso show same reading.. sometimes 0.06V then sometimes disappear..

will check in bios later..
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maybe you need to update with latest bios...

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QUOTE(hantu667 @ Sep 4 2009, 03:22 PM)
BRO..I CANT SET TO 400 X 9 FSB..
IT WILL SHOW PREVIOUS OC IS FAILED..
EVEN I SET  fsb to 400 x 7 is oso failed.. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

one more, is it ABIT IP35-E about 150 is worth to buy??
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Man that's unlucky cry.gif It's the mobo...

ABIT IP35-E is RM350 brand new @LowYatPlaza, The DFI i reccomended earlier is RM340 @LYP. If u got the cash, there's another P35 mobo, buts its consider expensive if u'r in a budget:
MSI MS-7345 P35 PLATINUM (2 PCIE=Crossfire) @RM490 LYP.
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http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fullimage.php?image=7419
Its doesnt always have to be P35 bro, u just need to find another P43/P45 mobo, e.g. like Gigabyte EP43-UD3L, Asus P5QE,
Jetway JXBLUE-P45(this one fetured in Goldfries's review on OCZ 1.2ghz in GameAxis magazine) Asus P5P43TD (DDR3), Biostar TP 43, etc...
(all the mobo above budget less than RM350)

or if u feel lucky u can go hunting in LYN garage sales for a bargained price thumbup.gif


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post Sep 4 2009, 10:37 PM

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juz check in bios.. it shows 12.429V.. phew..

anyway, +12Va with 18A good enuf? hmm.gif

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