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post Jun 1 2009, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(auronthas @ Jun 1 2009, 05:22 PM)
IMO, your room setup looks fine to me. 

As i mentioned earlier, Cardas's website serves as a reference and general speakers. Just try not to have the same distance from side/front wall, the ratio is not so important, but no harm to try cardas's tips, right.  Please be patient in your speaker placement, it takes time but once you find the 'sweet' spot, you will find your effort is deserved.

Also, if you find your bass still boomy especially long hour listening even you move your speaker away from front walls. You need to consider to have bass trap installed at front wall corners as Mugenfoo's post above.  If you have extra carpets, roll them and place them vertically like a round column at corners, see if it helps to reduce the bass (that's my guess).

I think i would not discuss about SPL now, trust your ear and take your time, do trial and error, Just make this exploration fun by moving around your speakers (remember to put masking tape, so you can shift them back as you like).

Good luck and hope to hear from you after getting the 'sweet' spot.

Btw, forgot to ask what brand/model is your speaker? SFCD ?

Auronthas
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Ya hor.. How come I have never thought of rolling up spare carpets and put them at the corners.. This is a good idea to do experiment.

Will try out the Cardas' tips.
Weekdays are busy working days. rclxub.gif
Probably will try it out this weekend.

Honestly, I do not own any SF but I like to take part in this thread.
I am using a good old pair of Epos ES11.
I even think of buying a pair of SFCD but I do not have enough money for it.
It is sad that they no longer make the Domus. sad.gif
They are beautifully and well made.

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post Jun 1 2009, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(auronthas @ Jun 1 2009, 05:46 PM)
Hi Mugenfoo,

I agree with that too. However, my experience with Cardas ratios was the pro side it gave me a lively, stereo imaging soundstage, the con side is lack of bass.  After some fine tuning, now the ratio between my side/front walls is 1.2 to 1 which gave me a better soundstage.  Then, with some acoustic treatment, it gives me a more satisfactory result. Just to share... 

I have spent almost a year (with acoustic treatment) in finding the 'sweet' spot while enjoying the music. 

So enjoy the music lah .... whistling.gif

Cheers,

Auronthas
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Well, the tips that Cardas gave might not be applicable to all sorts of speakers.
There are so many different kind of speakers with different characteristics.

Those RPG Skyline diffusers are around RM150 each?

kkthen,

Get a nice a pair of stands for them as they deserve it.

I, myself, also itching to get a pair of SFCD.. laugh.gif
But still afraid that I will look for more oomph to drive them after that and ending up looking for amp replacement too.
Double pocket koyak... sweat.gif

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post Jun 2 2009, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(kkthen @ Jun 2 2009, 12:32 AM)
Thanks a lot Mugenfoo, This is important information for me! biggrin.gif


Added on June 2, 2009, 12:35 am

Thanks for your info, I am nearfield condition, but i dont feel sound is cramp together when using inner tweeter. Lucky.


Added on June 2, 2009, 12:48 am

Dont be afraid for SFCD. SFCD is easy to be drive. I try my 60w integrated amp to drive sonus faber concerto domus  floorstand with 9 o'clock volume is loud enough. But old concertino is terrible, I increased volume more than 10 o'clock also not enough. But sonus faber vocal is poison, even concertino bass  quality & quantity also far better my existing floorstand speaker.
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My amp only 35W.. sad.gif
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post Jun 2 2009, 09:22 AM

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I have to agree that many people spend lots of money to buy or upgrade their gears.

By the way....
When you measure the distances between the speakers and walls, you measure from the front of the speakers or from center of speakers?

The distance will be different if the speakers are toed in.
Will that difference matters?


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post Jun 2 2009, 10:38 AM

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Oh.. OK OK...
Will pour in lots of effort for experiments.
Throughout the experiments, I discovered the different sounds.
Tuning is such a huge 'playground'.

Itching to go for an audition on the SFCD next week.
Normally which outlet has the SFCD?
Bangsar? IOI?
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post Jun 2 2009, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(TarePanda @ Jun 2 2009, 11:01 AM)
IMHO, get a good headphone for measurement....such as STAX headphone coz headphone normally has minimum space problem...

Or benchmark against live concert tongue.gif

Difference ppl have different experience, different equipment, different space, different taste etc
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No headphone jack on my equipments..

Err.. Anyway, it is ok..
I will continue to tweak and get the best that suits my taste.


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post Jun 4 2009, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(mugenfoo @ Jun 3 2009, 11:49 PM)
so.. anyone about to buy a pair of Sonus Faber speakers soon ?
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hmm.gif Interesting...

You got a pair to offer? laugh.gif

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post Jun 4 2009, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jun 4 2009, 10:23 AM)
come come.. join SF family.. come..
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Bro PcWork,

Giving me moral support eh... brows.gif

Money no enough wor... too bad... laugh.gif
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post Jun 4 2009, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(TarePanda @ Jun 4 2009, 11:33 AM)
If you have ultimate machine that you enjoy the most..
Why not sell off others since you're not using them? biggrin.gif
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But selling others also cannot gather lots of cash.
Coz they dont have high 2nd hand value.
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post Jun 4 2009, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jun 4 2009, 01:53 PM)
sell ur car then??
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After selling the car, how to bring back the SFCD from Perfect Hi Fi? laugh.gif
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post Jun 4 2009, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(hushymushy @ Jun 4 2009, 02:21 PM)
they can deliver mar.....hehehehehe

i got one pair for sale.....planning to go SF GP! yum yum
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So far away wor...
You sure they can deliver? hahahaha...

Hey, bro... what's your model? brows.gif
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post Jun 4 2009, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(TarePanda @ Jun 4 2009, 02:34 PM)
car_o_scope,

You can check hushymushy posting here:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1048634&hl=
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Bro hushymushy,

Your SF poison level has reached the top.
Yours is in Teak or Piano Black?


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post Jun 4 2009, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(etteoh @ Jun 4 2009, 03:12 PM)
I agree with PCWork. For someone who has been active in the SF thread, man we want you in the family! smile.gif


Added on June 4, 2009, 3:17 pmAnd HushyMushy's sale is giving you even more reasons to own one smile.gif
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hey hey hey.... you guys really ar...
My face and body already turned green and purple by the poisons... rclxub.gif

But really have to take out calculator for many times...
Not small amount of money... moneyflies.gif
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post Jun 4 2009, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(etteoh @ Jun 4 2009, 03:42 PM)
Think about it - the SF will be the best investment you make. It was for most, if not all of us here smile.gif

We only want the best for you biggrin.gif
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Good encouragement... rclxms.gif
I have to say that SF is not cheap and affordable to ppl like me.. blush.gif

But still, I think I should have an audition before making the final decision.
I am unsure what are the differences between them and my Epos ES11.
Really have to find out 1st.
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post Jun 4 2009, 03:59 PM

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Dont worry... I can sleep well coz I have not seen the actual thing yet... tongue.gif

Luckily, I am currently not working in menara MPL. laugh.gif


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post Jun 4 2009, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(nicholas_1213 @ Jun 4 2009, 04:06 PM)
About the Epos ES11, PcWork use to have them too, and in the end he sold it and upgrade to SFCD. Perhaps he can provide some useful info for you, but still yeah an audition would be great. ES11 is impressive speaker too, sweet midrange and vocal, that's the most impressive part i remember for ES11, which is kinda poisoning too tongue.gif
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That's why..
They are not bad too.. blush.gif
ES11 are big and nicely made too.
Mine are not black colour and they have ori stands. smile.gif
Bought them so many years back when I was still a secondary schoolboy. biggrin.gif

I just need to know the gap between SFCD and ES11.
Have to find a time to check it out. brows.gif
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post Jun 4 2009, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(mugenfoo @ Jun 4 2009, 07:39 PM)
just make sure there's plenty power to juice up the SF and it will sing nicely for a long time.
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This the one criteria that my current amp cannot fulfill leh... laugh.gif

Bro kkthen,

I bought my Epos ES11 by breaking my bank.
Even piggy bank not being spared.
One shot taruk everything and then listen to them till now.
I think 10 yrs already. laugh.gif

Bro PcWork,

Agree with you that speakers are not all about sizes but I prefer something close to Epos ES11 size.

To be honest, I have one pair of B&W DM600 S3 too.
I brought them home and found out that they are just too small.
And also, the sound of B&W is like not enough clarity in my opinion.
Unable to give what I wanted.

In the end, I put them aside and they hardly being used.
Thinking of laying off this pair.

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post Jun 4 2009, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(TarePanda @ Jun 4 2009, 10:05 PM)
Why not the potential SF buyer follow PcWork to Perfect Hifi?
Else need to wait till AV fair tongue.gif
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Bro PcWork very busy gua..
Hardly see him do postings..
Dont always kacau him lar..

QUOTE(etteoh @ Jun 4 2009, 09:58 PM)
The only reason I can think of on why you have a preference towards size (guys, we're still talking about speakers here, don't let your minds wander off elsewhere smile.gif) is because you're worried the smaller sized SFs cannot produce a fuller sound of a bigger sized variant. If this is the reason, then all I can say is you're going to be in for a very pleasant surprise smile.gif Go give them a listen without putting size in mind...then come back and tell us what you think...or better still come back and tell us you bought them smile.gif
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Yes.. You really understand what I am thinking hor.. So clever.. rclxms.gif
This is reason why I wanted an audition so badly.


Well, you see.. I like how the SF play musics. Never doubted their abilities.
I have always dream of SF since I followed my friend all the way to KL to buy the Minima Amator.
That was the time when I could not afford to buy them, 10yrs back as a schoolboy.

Now, when SF is replacing their Domus line with those Toy and the Liuto, I felt that I shd pay attention to Domus.
Which is why I ended up here reading what you guys wrote here about SFCD.
I have searched through websites about SF particularly CD.
I found it hard to accept the size of the Toy, the appearance of the Toy and also the skyhigh price of the Liuto.

I wanted to have an audition just to make the justification clearer and perhaps....
.... I would say the SFCD might be the one that is closest to what I am looking for.

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post Jun 4 2009, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jun 4 2009, 10:31 PM)
DON"t WAIT LIAO.. the longer you wait. the higher possible it will gone...
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I have been in this kind of sour and bitter situation before.
As a result of cash problem, I lost a good deal for an amplifier.
Well, I cannot complain about it as I really had no choice and no power to bargain.
Cash is King mar... laugh.gif
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post Jun 4 2009, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jun 4 2009, 10:42 PM)
i am in this situation before
playing all sub RM 2k bookshelve
suddenly folk out RM 5K for sonus. that time i buy without stand..
wah really scared. like throwing money.. if dun like then *** loh...
but luckily  i am happy until now..
really worth.. this is the best spend in my life.. spend the money 1 year already still feel worth.. lol.
everytime i on it.. i still feel "really nice..."
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When I taruk 3.5k one shot for my Apollo, I also thought that I was crazy that time.
Well, now when i come to think of it, no regret pun.
Coz I really like it very much.
Looked, auditioned and surveyed for 6 months and then only buy. laugh.gif

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