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AdamG1981
post Jun 12 2008, 05:34 PM

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I wont even trust any of the accounting reports of Malaysian companies. There's too many unknowns, too much risk.

Seems like Malaysians companies, such as AirAisa are more creative than Enron and Worldcom combined. I always ask myself, how do these brokerage houses determine EPS/PER when the accounting statements are beautifully sugarcoated.


That's why i seldom speculate Malaysia shares; even more so now when the US equities are severely beaten up.

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 12 2008, 04:45 AM)
It is quite the same US or Malaysia , the diff.,

US people can tolerate Billions and Billions of write off  in US$ and more to come, but they do not see a hundred million RM error in Malaysia. to them it is creative accounting beyond anything.

They preach ( the teachers )  while we have to learn ( the students ). But the students applied what the teachers preach, some times also not acceptable.
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Actually, US doesn't tolerate writeoffs. Look at Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers. Both Worldcom and Enron senior management team were indicted and sentenced to jail after a lengthy investigation.

Transparency is key in US equities. If you follow the Lehman Brother's case, you will understand that investors confidence are severely shaken when the CEO says he doesn't need to raise capital but now requires two major cash injection to stay alive. Shares were 80 dollars few months ago, nows its at 26 usd.

As for malaysia's equities, sure there are some potential ones but Malaysia has never created a 5 star global company. (Maybe PBB can be one) Nevertheless, until Malaysia's accounting crediblity is restored, then more foreign investors will be interested.

You can say both markets are imperfect, but we always seek risk-less returns. And i can assure you, US equities are much "safer" than emerging markets.



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US retails sales at 8:30 am, another DISAPPOINTMENT?


Added on June 12, 2008, 8:08 pm
QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 12 2008, 05:01 AM)
I think the big brother has to practise what he preaches ( old school of taught ).

AIG is losing US $ 8 billions, but AIA in Malaysia has to be more transparent  all the while, I believe.
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That's because AIG management took too much risk in the OTC market, same with all the big financial boys. You have a BIG leverage because you want to make more. So when couple of investments GO WAY BAD (subprime), they lost billions because of leverage.

Bear Sterns was one victim, and we are not out of the woods yet.



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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 12 2008, 05:49 AM)
A mixed bag result.

Retail sales is much better than expected but jobless claim creeping higher.

For the next few month as there is a stimulus package by the US gov (giving some pay cheque for tax rebate or something), so retail sales might stay on high as long as consumers has the money to pay for it.
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Yes, you are right. I am watching tomorrow's CPI/PPI number but judging from imported prices today, i would expect CPI to jump a huge number. MY trading strategy would to short FKLI tomorrow for DJIA Friday's drop of 200 points.


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post Jun 12 2008, 11:23 PM

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Retail sales is higher than expected amid higher jobless claims. However, be prepared for another drop on Friday 13th.


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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 12 2008, 08:33 AM)
Could be due to higher  inflation.

Inflation could actually save US from going into recession technically.

Without inflation, real growth could be negative.
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Hm, so are you saying that having a higher rate of inflation is better than being in a recession?


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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 12 2008, 08:46 AM)
Fear factor is bad for the market. It would sink any economy.

Japan is a good example, people refused to spend more money, their economy sank for many years .

The Fear Factor is affecting Malaysia's markets.
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Ok, i do understand that consumer confidence and business confidence affects markets; but how does it relate to higher inflation and a recession? Both these market conditions affect investors confidence.

I would think any Central bank governors will prefer a recession than a high inflation with price instability.

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 12 2008, 09:07 AM)
I thought Central Banks all over the world receive orders from their Governments. Correct me if i am wrong.

Never in any elections in US or other parts of the world , parties asking people to go into " recession ". People would be depressed.
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Central banks are independent; maybe some governments to have an influence in monetary policy but US central bank is independent.

Again, you are misunderstood my point. We are comparing both inflation and recession; which one would a central banker prefer?

Recession / Expansion is a cycle. Indeed no one requests to have a recession. Ben & Co had no choice but to raise interest rate because the economy is "too hot" and therefore tightening of the monetary policy is needed. Unfortunately for him, the US economy is suffering from a large trade deficit and fiscal deficit. When he lowered rates, this spurred the rush of buying oil as an hedge to fight inflation due to a weaker dollar. Hence, today we have a worldwide oil shock crisis due to the depreciation of the US dollar.


Added on June 13, 2008, 8:27 amDow Jones was up last night as much as 170 points and closed only 50 points higher. Hmmm, does not bode well.


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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 12 2008, 06:23 PM)
There are many things on papers look or said to to be independence, but it is the action that counts.

There are many times Fed said ( early this year ) that US was doing fine. Then, they rushed to cut rate before the usual scheduled dates.

That goes to show they are lacking the independence.

Many times, they have planned the rescue packages before the big boys were to announce massive write offs.
They are on pressure on many issues that could influence their ultimate decisions.

On papers, I do agree they are very independence. No arguments over this.
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The big boys announced massive write offs was because of aggressive investment management in very risky asset classes. Ben & Co had to rescue Bear Sterns (amid controversies) because it will rattle the entire financial industry and caused greater harm overall if they did nothing.

I do agree the Feds are confused now; fighting inflation or rescuing the financial sector. But bear in mind, the US Federal reserve has always been independent regardless if there's a republican congress/president or vice versa.


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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 12 2008, 06:52 PM)
I do agree they are more independence than other parts of the world, but not totally independence.
For many decades, they could not address the trade/current acc deficits issues deemed to be their areas of " controls "

For this part of the job, our Malaysia Central Bank is doing a much better job, though less independence than US.
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Both trade and fiscal deficit was caused by Bush disastrous tenure as President. WAR in IRAQ/Afghan took billions of dollars from the Taxpayers. Not only that, American consumers were high on Chinese made product because it was so cheap. Indeed the Americans brought this to themselves. The FED could not avoid this since trade and foreign affairs policy were handled by the White House.

So i don't see why the Fed should take the blame for Bush's cowboy antics.


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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 12 2008, 07:06 PM)
Trade deficits and current accounts are root causes of all US financial problems.

If FED and CENTRAL BANK are not given the authorities to address the issue.

How on earth can they said to be independence ? They are supposed to manage the economy on behalf of US citizens , and not  BUSH right ?
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The FED only governs monetary policy, setting interest rate, performing open market transactions (purchasing,selling us dollars) or in layman terms currency intervention.

The US government or US Congress determines FISCAL policy, and BUSH can VETO if he WANTS.

During Clinton's presidency tenure, US had a BUDGET SURPLUS, but since Bush took over, we been in a budget deficit for years. WAR was approved by Congress? The first ever stimulus was signed by Bush and approved in Congress.

Congress could have impose higher tariffs on Chinese goods, but they didnt, allowing for cheaper chinese goods to come in and taking away jobs.


US Congress = Fiscal policy

Federal Reserve= Monetary policy


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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jun 12 2008, 08:25 PM)
sometimes, when you have Gangrene (is a complication of necrosis (i.e., cell death) characterized by the decay of body tissues, which become black and malodorous).

The best solution is NOT to treat the wounded area. But to amputate the area so it won't spread to other part of the body.
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OK, so you utilize violence to spread democracy? Two wrongs don't make a right. Sure US armies might have the largest weapon arsenal but they are breeding suicide bombers. These suicide bombers are fanatics and they will kill innocent victims for their religion. So when will this "cancer" be cured?

Who benefited from the war from Iraq? Its all the defense company linked to d*** Cheney. Check haliburton. This is cronyism at its very very best. rclxub.gif


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Khazanah said government linked companies can wether the fuel hike.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/25132159/for/cnbc
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BLACK monday worldwide becoming reality? Find out at 8:30 pm today!

Housing foreclosure increased for the third month
Read more here:
US foreclosures total 261,255 in May, up 7 pct from April

http://www.cnbc.com/id/25135821/for/cnbc

CPI / CORE CPI @ 8:30 pm CNBC

Inflation news:
India's inflation jumps to 7-year high of 8.75 percent

German May consumer price index posts 3 percent year-on-year increase; Fuel prices weigh

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Aiya, Holland game coming next. Go relax guys. biggrin.gif
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US Federal Reserve and European Union Central Bank are risking another 1987 crash rerun.

Signs:
a) Ben Bernake and Co said they wanted a stronger dollar to counter inflation

Result: Dollar rallied, oil drop

b) ECB Trichet said he will aggressively increase interest rates to counter inflation

Result: Dollar fell sharply, oil jumped 10 dollars, Dow Jones and S&P tumbled 3.1 %

G8 meeting this weekend:

What will the Feds do?
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QUOTE(howszat @ Jun 13 2008, 11:57 PM)
Probably nothing. US core inflation rose 0.2%, which was in line with economists' estimates.
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The core inflation is understated; its much higher than 0.2%. I be looking for a bigger increase few weeks from now


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 14 2008, 12:40 AM)
Actually I don't like the term of core inflation.

Consumer pay in full cash for headline inflation, who care about core inflation is low. If headline inflation is serious then consumer face serious price increase even if core inflation is zero.

Core inflation strip out energy and foods price which is the essential part of daily life expenditure!
They strip out because they see those energy and foods price is volatile, so they 'create' another term of core inflation.

So core inflation is not a good picture to look at or represent the actual situation as we knews foods price has been one of the serious inflation factor, but Fed only concern about core inflation.  doh.gif
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Precisely, the fact is inflation is rising rapidly in everywhere in the world. IT doesn't matter how the Fed or the market dissects core CPI because consumers still have to pay more on EVERYTHING now.




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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 14 2008, 03:34 AM)
cherroy,

I disagree with you.

1) For most people in USA, food and energy is a small portion of their living expenses.  It is around 10% to 20%.  Yes, American whine like everyone else. 

2) There is a VIEW where may or may not be wrong that HIGH OIL PRICE is unsustainable.   It is DRIVEN by speculation.  So, it will go down.

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Dreamer,

Even if its 10% to 20% of consumer spending, it will dampen heavy item purchases because high prices of oil and food will sour the overall consumer mood. As you know consumer spending is 2/3 of the economy, and all leading indicators have shown a slowdown in consumer spending. Also, if the consumer inflation expectations increase, then the FED has no choice but prepare to raise interest rate.


IF you notice also, the usage of credit card in America dropped, but the overall debt increased. This is the next CRISIS as more and more people are out of job and with high inflation, there is no way middle/low class Americans can clear its credit card debt.


Speculation or non speculation, crude oil prices are driven by DEMAND and the LACK of SUPPLY and solid production. Simple rule, demand exceeds supply. OF course when China starts to lift its subsidies on fuel, demand drop, hence price of oil will in turn drop.


Added on June 14, 2008, 8:35 pm
QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 14 2008, 04:23 AM)
" The oil bubble burst" would come when the US currency has the the ability to strengthen strongly to the point investors worldwide  found the reasons to invest in US currency assets.

It is better to a sudden than  a gradual event. Abandoning the existing US 's Iraq policy is even better.

It could be after the next US election. To a small extent, it has something to do with Bush. After Bush, the supply side could be a little bit more flexible n  negotiable.

US has the abililty to declare wars, but when comes to trade and accounts deficits, she made up her mind to lose even  long before the war ended.
Just my 2sen opinion.
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The Feds , and the G8 had agreed that the strength of the US dollar is the key in managing inflation. How does the FED do it? The easiest is increase interest rate. Performing open market transactions is insignificant especially the US dollar marketplace is $2 trillion USD daily. Unless ECB and BOJ coordinates a series of open market transactions (purchasing US dollar) then the Federal Reserve can avoid increasing interest rate.

However, do you guys remember back in 1987? What did West Germany do? Increase interest rate while the US Feds was conducting open market transactions.

Result: 1987 crash, Dow Jones drop 23% and the worldwide market cascaded.

With Bernake being a very inexperience Fed Governor, and EU being a very young concept; a crash will likely happen when both Trichet and Bernake differs in policy.



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