If you can read Japanese, this Mazda website is interesting;

http://www.atenza.mazda.co.jp/

You can also download the Japanese catalogue for Mazda6 option parts;

http://www.mazda.co.jp/accessories/web_cat/atenza.pdf

Bro, any sample pics for the SVT emblem?

No good lah this ad. Promote racing...

Iceman08's emblem will be metal.

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Added on July 5, 2008, 3:24 amCommon local car? CKD? I thought on page 9 you mentioned you wanted to be special?

This post has been edited by jchue73: Jul 5 2008, 03:24 AM

I believe you're referring to 4 to 5k rpm zone and not at idle. How often do you rev that high? Maybe during overtaking?

Besides, it's the road noise is the more important issue that needs to be taken care off since that is the constant noise intruding into your cabin whenever the car moves.

Hmmm, Camry and Accord still have expensive spare parts even though common on the road. Same diff.

Yes, resale value is lower than Hondas and Toyotas but not as bad as continentals or Korean cars.

High maintenance fees? NOT. Remember that the Mazda6 is timing chain and not timing belt like the Accord.



Jimat? At the price levels you're paying for the Camry / Accord, it's a paradox to equate buying these cars as being jimat.

In fact, with so much complains that Honda has been receiving lately on the new CKD Accord, I don't know if a person with the intention to jimat would expect it. All the frustrations and anxiety going back and forth to the SC can be more than what can be measured with money.

If the Accord was a CBU, then I would have bought without question solely because Hondas have better resale value.

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Added on July 6, 2008, 6:55 pm

No it does not. No other cars can have higher resale values than Toyotas / Hondas. That's a fact. Telling you otherwise would be a lie.

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Added on July 6, 2008, 6:57 pmThe same kind of feautures listed above are usually found on more expensive cars like the Lexus IS 250 or even the new Audi A4.

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Added on July 6, 2008, 6:58 pmPoints you raised up are valid.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Jul 6 2008, 06:58 PM

While it's nice to hear about your enthusiasm on the 6, there are some facts that needs correction.

FC is the SAME for both cars if you take same driver and same city / highway driving condition. Read the comparison test done by Wheels Australia magazine.

Fact that the Accord has higher resale value, yes. But then with all the ongoing problems with the Accord, not too sure if it's going to be higher especially since the popularity of Mazda is coming up.

You see, the Accord (or whatever car that Honda comes out with) rides on the Honda name as a whole. Selling in large volume helps to bring up the name. On the other hand with Mazda, it was true that FC was high and resale value was low back in the old days. Until now, people still believe that Mazda equals high maintenance and high FC car which is not the case today.

Did your Singaporean boss' friend drive the 6 and Accord back to back?

Who do you trust? See for yourself.

http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/Road_Tests/Tem...da+Octavia.html

Accord - 8.8L/100 km
Mazda6 - Accord - 8.9L/100 km

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Added on July 7, 2008, 1:29 pm

Why do people catch on on hearsay?

I've posted the link to the magazine article a few times but I guess people don't bother to read and comment about it.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Jul 7 2008, 01:29 PM

I agree with you but the problem with doing that is you cannot get the same people who have driven the 6 AND the Accord back to back and long enough to make a conclusion. Also the person needs to be systematic in his comparison. Same driving style, same route and traffic conditions.

Getting FC figures from person A who drives the 6 and person B who drives the Accord is not going to hold water. Unless of course you do a collective survey on FC of say 10 or more people who drives the 6 and the same amount of people for those who drive the Accord and do an average.

Couldn't have put it better.

Same situation with the Mazda6 and Accord lor. Mazda is CBU with more features than the Accord but yet it's only a few thousand more than the Accord.

But get this... The Accord with the Modulo skirtings / spoilers is more expensive than the Mazda6 which already comes default with factory fitted skirtings / spoilers.

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Added on July 8, 2008, 1:12 am

Both.

Do you think with all the equivalent features of the Mazda6 fitted onto a CKD Accord (don't even mention CBU) can meet the same price levels?

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Added on July 8, 2008, 1:14 am

Reason is the last franchise holder for Mazda diod a lousy job promoting the brand for the past few years.

Hopefully, Bermaz will do a better job.

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Added on July 8, 2008, 1:16 am

Funny you should mention about other Jap executive saloons. Which are you referring to? Accord / Camry? FYI, the Accord has a harsher and a bumpier ride than the Mazda6.

Come on... With an 18" wheels, what do you expect? I would categorise the Mazda6 in the middle. Not to floaty like common Jap cars and not too hard like continentals.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Jul 8 2008, 01:16 AM

To me, the Accord felt harsher when I test drove the car compared to the 6 even with the 18" wheels. Perhaps on a different stretch of road...

Anyway, genkis3 better book fast fast ! Mind sharing what free gift is that?

Why even bother bringing up the 1st gen 6 when the thread is clearly about the 2nd gen 6 vs the 8th gen Accord?

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Added on July 8, 2008, 5:47 pm

Hope my wifey does not see this.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Jul 8 2008, 05:47 PM

My sincere apologies then for the knee-jerk reaction. Did not notice the word "prev" = previous = 1st gen from the quoted text you were replying to. It would be helpful if we kept to the discussion as per the subject.

That's what got us into trouble since many years ago with the political scene.

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Added on July 9, 2008, 12:45 pm

corek, nice collection of links you have there. Nice avatar too.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Jul 9 2008, 12:45 PM

For a guy, it depends on which type of girl you're trying to impress. The party type would be the MX-5. The 6 would be those looking for more stable kind of person. My 270 sen.

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Added on July 10, 2008, 11:34 am

Subject title mentions Accord vs Mazda6. The Camry is not in the equation. If they Camry was in the subject of discussion, then yes, same question applies to Toyota. Besides, who looks at the Camry nowadays?

Yes, Honda can fit those stuff in the current Accord but as to why they choose not too, nobody knows. Higher profit margin? Or perhaps their people in their factory incompetant to install? Nobody knows.

Profit margin wise, I think Honda can still make a few bucks by installing these gadgets. Opting for a lower profit margin and a higher volume should not hurt right? Take cues from the newly lauched CKD Peugeot 407. How the hell can Naza sell a continental car (even thoguh CKD) with GPS and sell it at RM 135k? Ok, I digress...



Ah, but that's the herd mentality you're referring to. Go with the crowd. In all those solid customers who "perceives" Honda to be superior performance and value for money, did you bother to count how many disgruntled Honda owners?

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Added on July 10, 2008, 11:35 am

Eh, why are you replying Honda this and that when genkis3 already got his Mazda6?

Anyway, you're right it's too expensive. Cmon, at least with the prices they are charging they could at least give us defect free (or at least problems that could be solved later) cars. Not asking buyers to do R&D for them.

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Added on July 10, 2008, 11:36 am

I think black is too garang. But what to do? That's the only colour both me and wifey agree upon. Me? I like the pearl white. It gives the garang and subdued look. The problem is wifey doesn't like white because of the reason genkis3 mentioned.

Anyway, congrats. Hopefully you can give some feedbacks.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Jul 10 2008, 11:36 AM

If you ask me personally, I think Honda is greedy. More profit for less customer satisfaction. Anyway, that's business since they have lots of overheads. But something to think about, the Thailand assembled Accord in Australia is selling for much less than the Mazda6. How is that possible?

Ok, I agree with you here. It's sad that QC is sacrifised for volume to meet the profit targets. Seeing that the local Honda factory cannot ramp up production volume, lower production cost and decrease profit margins to meet the required profits, they should have let the factory in Thailand handle the production of the Accord and could even drive down the cost for all we know. Just like it's being sold cheaper than Mazda6 in Australia. I'm actually interested to know if anyone has heard of Accord owners from Singapore complaining about their made in Thailand Accords?



I personally think if Naza can only meet (not asking to exceed) Honda's QC standards in their 407 production, it will be a runaway success for Peugeot base on prioce point alone. Exceeding Honda's QC would be a bonus.

Yes, what you say about T&H vs Mazda is correct. Mazda is indeed a small player and I think people appreciate that Bermaz tries to bring the prices down to boost their sales. But of course not low enough that you sell at a loss. Compare the Accord that is made in Malacca with lower production cost and plauged with QC problems vs the Mazda6 made in Japan with higher Japanese labour cost and higher specs and both coming in at around the same price, the choice is a no brainer.



Are you sure all the digruntled owners are willing to go back to the same car company that gave them headaches / frustrations in the first place? Actually, I believe owners have already come to terms that they cannot get a perfect car when they buy one brand new. But at the very least they would expect a car brand to have competant service centres that would be able to diagnose and solve QC problems on the spot (or at least after a few visits) instead of being taken for ride with problems not solved at all.

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Added on July 10, 2008, 5:23 pm

That's correct. You're very observant ! But a wise friend of mine told me before that if you calculate bank interest on the FD, whatever you receive is actually lower than the advertised rate. Anybody can confirm this?

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Added on July 10, 2008, 5:24 pm

That was because the loan was approved a month ago. Hopefully mine still remains at 2.3%.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Jul 10 2008, 05:24 PM

If you build a car and intend to make it a little sporty, do you make the engine silent or a little roar when high rpm kicks in?