Corrections ! Nobody looks at the owner. They look at the car more than they look at the owner. How unfortunate.

For your info, I oogled at the new Accord too when it first came out. But now I'm starting to look at the owner. Not so much the car.

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Added on July 31, 2008, 12:57 pm

Is the 4th Gen Accord the same as 8th Gen Accord? If not, then move along.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Jul 31 2008, 12:59 PM

That's sarcastic BTW.

Hey, don't put me in a hot soup ! Afterwards, people might interpret what I wrote in my remarks as sarcastic in nature and brand me for direct bashing.

A lot of people like the Mazda6 and gave their reasons why they like it.

Any reasons why you choose the Accord? Would be interested if you have a different view.

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Added on August 2, 2008, 3:38 am

I tend to agree with you. However, just this evening, I saw the VW Jetta and thought that the rear lights looked a little bit like the Mazda6.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 2 2008, 03:38 AM

Don't be cruel lah. If he has a point, we should listen. No right or wrong since it's an opinion right? Not good if people think that we are here for the sole purpose of bang bang Honda cars.

Err, my apologies but I think you're disalussioned and off the mark with your comparison.

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Added on August 4, 2008, 12:33 am

Actually, 210km/hr is nothing to shout about. Accord and Camrys should be able to do the same.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 4 2008, 12:33 AM

Yes, I have test driven the Accord. Nothing fancy. If you have tested the Mazda6, you'd be wowed by the handling and ask why is Honda shortchanging their customers with bloated prices and not up to par specs as compared to the CBU Mazda6 2.5L which comes in at similar prices as the 2.4L Accord. Of course I'd expect a 3 series to drive better with the amount of money you pay. Nothing less.

And what's that about engine being less powerful and fuel efficient?

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Added on August 5, 2008, 12:32 pm

I think zweimmk is indeed talking about the 8th gen Accord compared to the latest Mazda6 and Camry. Camry is the older one of the 3.

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Added on August 5, 2008, 12:33 pm

Agreed.

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Added on August 5, 2008, 12:33 pm

Then the Mazda3 comes in and pawns everybody.

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Added on August 5, 2008, 12:34 pm

Bro, becareful. If not people will report and say you're arrogant with that statement.

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Added on August 5, 2008, 1:08 pm

I posted this link a while back here;

http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/Road_Tests/Tem...fullarticle=yes

Here's a quote about the 0-100km/hr performance;



The other stuff listed below are performance numbers for both cars quoted from the magazine;






For those who are not aware, below is taken from the same Australian Wheels magazine above;



So both the Accord 2.4L and Mazda6 2.5L have similar FC. So if you say the Accord has bad FC, then the Mazda6 will also have bad FC. If you say Accord has good FC, then the Mazda6 should also have good FC.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 5 2008, 01:08 PM

Whoa... Look what the kids did? 4 pages of rubbish in one day?

I think that's precisely the childish idea to bombard a thread like as though as this thread is a Kopitiam thread till the mods close it. Simply marvellous trick. But a cheap trick nonetheless.

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Added on August 6, 2008, 5:11 pm

If indeed I was in the wrong, why don't you make a report to the mods and ban me? No case against me huh?

This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 6 2008, 05:11 PM

Perhaps the reason why we cannot tahan is because you've got no style. My apologies. Please try harder or perhaps get help from your peers to help you in your counter replies.

If you and your friends got diarrhea problem the last 24 hours, there's a proper place and time to do it at your own comfort. Not good hanging your dirty laundry here and conduct yourself to bring shame to Honda owners.

People with good upbringing don't stoop at a low level to snowballing people who have a better car.

There's difference between a reply from a kid and a reply from a matured adult. People who cannot differentiate which post comes from which side would most probably belong to kids category.

I think this will do fine for the quote of the day.

Is that all you guys have? Cancer, no style? Balik-balik the same thing. I'm dissapointed with the creativity of these kids nowadays.

Is that all you have?

Pathetic. Looks like he's low profile enough to even have a blind follower.

My apologies for the contribution. Hopefully the mods can clear up the threads from page 24 onwards.

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Added on August 6, 2008, 8:07 pm

Whoa... Never thought that one coming from a lady.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 6 2008, 08:07 PM

Please look at the posting history. It only started after page 24 onwards. If you want to chat endlessly, best place is in Kopitiam. Not at this thread.

Of course some mindless bables can be tolerated but name callings and all in this forum? Can you also deny that the brand bashing was started by yourself? When were you provoked? Come one... You be the judge.



What bashing? Please refer to your own postings here. Before page 24, we have already let things be about billytong, me and your goodself... As far as I know, billytong has apologised for his supposedly uncalled for statement. What more do you want? Ask him to sell his Mazda6 and buy and Accord as his punishment?

Also, we don't go into Honda threads and simply bash with unproven facts. Even if they are true facts, we don't do that. Not our style. So your accusation about Mazda owners bashing Honda users are totally baseless. You'd only get it if you provoke some Mazda user.

Also, why can I be sarcastic when whoopa made a rude remark against me? In fact several, she made several rude remarks which were uncalled for. Was I in any way impolite or rough to her?

I have always welcomed discussions and facts presented from either side. I have presented facts that were from Mazda6's side and they are true facts quoted from magazines. Not something pluck from the air. Have you posted any regarding the Accord?

If my facts are incorrect, I humbly apologise and stand to be corrected. If what you give is true, then we all learn something new. The forum is all about sharing knowledge. I believe billytong, iceman08, genkis3 and others (especially TS) like and appreciate that facts are listed for comparison instead of mindless bables.

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Added on August 6, 2008, 10:20 pm

Please do not twist my words. So are you going to deny making an unruly and rude remark unbecoming of a lady?

This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 6 2008, 10:20 PM

Some people will just simply ignore and choose strong words against othe people just to put themselves in good light and would not admit that they have done wrong by accusing those who have gone against them that they were talking crap.

Luckily enough people like dctrue and zweimmk actually exist and care enough to dissect and see for themselves what actually transpired and how annoying you can be. I've nothing more to add.



No problem. I'm not desperate for forgiveness and don't expect any from you. Mythical... Seems like your choice of words have improved.

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Added on August 7, 2008, 3:46 pm

Even though he talks crap, but at the end of the day, you got to give it to him that he's got style.

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Added on August 7, 2008, 3:51 pm

Re-edited? You mean change story?

If I did, can you check the edited dates on my various postings here to see if they were edited within not more than 10 minutes of the actual posted time frame?

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Added on August 7, 2008, 3:54 pm

Actually, I'm with Billy on the 3.7L V6 version. Would love to have it. Imagine how much power it puts down on the tarmac.

But I would agree with you on your assessment on the American version of the Mazda6. They adjusted the design to suite American market. Even the engine was included to suite them.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 7 2008, 03:54 PM

I agree that parts for the Mazda6 can be more expensive because it's coming directly from Japan. But has it occured to anybody that original Made in Japan parts generally have better performance and last longer?

If you buy parts made in Thailand that cost half and have service life of half of what the equivalent MIJ part can give, maintenance cost would be the same right?

Oh, not forgetting that changing a part twice would mean incurring labour cost twice.

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Added on August 8, 2008, 10:13 am

Mind listing out typical service details of both cars? Would be interested to know. Thanks.

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Added on August 8, 2008, 10:29 am

If you talk about cabin space, I agree. But in terms of styling, I prefer the Mazda6.



This is a personal opinion. Some people prefer the exterior of the 7th Gen Accord better than the 8th Gen Accord. I actually like the front of the 8th Gen Accord.

But comparing 8th Gen Accord and 2nd Gen Mazda6, I prefer the exterior of the Mazda6. Again, personal taste.



Yes it is ample. More importantly, one needs to look at the whole package and not just the engine output.

If you look at the power to weight ratio, both have quite similar figures i.e. 86kW/tonne for the Mazda6 and 88kW/tonne for the Accord. But then this does not translate to better performance on the road. I believe this is why the Mazda6 had slightly better 0-100km/hr times. This is probably due to the shorter gearing ratios on the Mazda6 for better acceleration. However, the Accord has taller gearing for better top speed as evident from the speed differences at 1000rpm from the respective gearing.





Agreed.



Agreed.



Agreed. However, we're generalising the Mazda brand as having lower resale value. We don't know what will become for the 2nd Gen Mazda6. Don't think I can find any 2nd Gen Mazda6 as 2nd hand yet but taking the less popular 1st Gen Mazda6 2004 model, they are going for RM 85k. A similar Accord 2.0L 2004 model would go for RM 92k thereabouts. That's what we only see as face value. But like what you say assuming there's no problems, means that the current owner (or future 2nd hand owner) does not have to fork out extra money for expensive repairs. Overall picture would be different if the Accord has problems.



Please see my earlier reply.


This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 8 2008, 10:29 AM

You've got a good point there. But my point (and perhaps of iceman's too) is what if the part does not even last to see it's life throughout the recommended mandatory replacement? If something very small and insignificant like air filter would probably give you less engine performance but if something dangerous like brake pads failing? That would be very dangerous and cannot be quantitified by cost anymore.



Any styling will be passe after sometime. That's given. But I would think the first thing a new owner or prospect buyer should be getting is to be impressed by the car you're going to buy from your hard earned money. Don't want to be buying something that expensive that you'll not be impressed right?

The reason why I pointed space and styling differences is because a lot of people always confused between luxury and space and equate them the same, which they are not ! So personally while I think the legroom on the Accord is "luxurious" (=generous), I prefer styling on the Mazda6 interior.



I guess what I was trying to say is not everything on paper can be a good thing. A typical example is in one of the Top Gear episodes when they tested how fast can an F1 car go indoors. And when they got to time it with a normal sedan car, they found out the top speed that the F1 car was only like 10 or 20km/hr more than the sedan car. Unbelievable but what it goes to say is you can have all the power in the engine but it's useless if you cannot get all the power down to the ground.

Again, based on the Australian Wheels magazine shootout between the Accord, Mazda6, Mondeo and the Skoda, this is what they say about performance;





A lot of people call the Mazda6 a sports sedan. Don't know why... I just call it a sporty family sedan. On the contrary, I think Accord is trying to fit into the sporty family sedan category with the latest styling. If it wanted to try to be a Camry, their suspension would be lofty and soft all over which is not !



Well, the reason why Honda and Toyota is where it is is due to history and riding on this good history that they have is what sells their current models. Mazda on the other hand does not have history to brag about in Malaysia.

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Added on August 8, 2008, 5:12 pm

If I'm right, you can only use aftermarket parts after the 3 years warranty. Do it before and warranty will be void. Correct? So the other way of looking at it is it's a moot point to have many available aftermarket stuff for modifications etc. This only benefit owners when they buy their car with basic specs from the onset or owners with their car warranties already expired.

Secondly, if you're going with the 2.5L version of the Mazda6, there's hardly anything to add-on. Maybe perhaps an Ipod connector add-on. It's a family sedan and we're not going racing or anything. Skirting, spoilers, Bose speakers, bi-xenon AFS lights etc already bundled in the car together with 18" rims / tyres. If you want better features than that, then perhaps you're looking at the wrong cars. Audi / Lexus / BMW / Merc would be the right choice indication.

For me, the only thing "missing" and wanting items on the Mazda6 is the Bluetooth / Sat Nav / Reverse Camera.

Anyway, any idea on Honda's approach to warranty claims? By changing rims from say 17" to 18", would you void the waranty for the suspension? I saw one or two new Accord already fitted with aftermarket rims / tires. One thing I know for Mazda, anything to do with electronics modification and warranty is void. Unless of course the modifications / add-ons are done by Mazda sanctioned / panel workshops...



... Rule no. 1, cars are NEVER an investment ! It's a commodity and unfortunately a necessary one at that. The day you buy, the price of the car already drops.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 8 2008, 05:12 PM

I guess torque is old school but still relevant when it comes to talking about performance. Then again, Hondas can boast about their high revving VTEC engines. So torque is moot when you get to rev your VTEC engine at 7000rpm. The downside to this is you need to rev the engine to get to feel this "torque".



That's also probably due to the lower gearing on the Mazda6 as I've listed out.



Actually, not having to worry about adding gadgets / features was one of the major considerations why I got the car. Take the Modulo spoilers on the Accord for example. Yeah, it makes the Accord look much more sporty but adding the cost adder to the car price makes it more expensive than the Mazda6 which already comes with spoilers.

Playing devil's advocate here but if given another car manufacturer that includes all of the above and drives similarly to your Altis at the same price range, would you be tempted to get that car instead of your current Altis?



Actually, some still think Mazda can go lower on it's CBU pricing. Especially for the 2.0L Mazda6 version. Look at the Lancer GT CBU pricing. For CKD, I think the most glaring example is the Peugeot 407.

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Added on August 8, 2008, 5:38 pm

Is the JDM Accord = Accord Euro?

I know the Euro Accord is loaded with features and gadgets. And if I'm not mistaken, it sells for about the same price range as the top spec Mazda6 in Australia.

This post has been edited by jchue73: Aug 8 2008, 05:38 PM

Thanks for the info b00n. May I know what Mazda is this? I thought Mazda6 uses timing chain and not timing belt.

Anyway, what synthetic oil did they give? Which SC is this?