Errrm ... Nope. Thats not what i meant with custom firmware. Maybe u didn't get the idea of what i meant by custom firmware. Nevermind. Pawnage tool can't do that level of customization ... yet. I'll just wait for the ipswtool.

@SEP10
Thats why i want to do a customize IPSW similar to iLiberty payload so i don't have to waste time install, install and install everything back. With the customize IPSW that i mention, i would have everything back just by restoring in itunes. The possibilities of what u can do is so awesome.

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Added on April 4, 2008, 12:44 amYeah ... thinking the same thing. Wait for F/W 2.0 then do the pawnage unless I need to restore back the phone in the near future. Just hope nothing happens coz right now i'm alpha testing customize 2.0 (gonna be a nice one when its launch later).

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 4 2008, 12:44 AM

Ermmm, isnt the IPSW file the firmware itself? Therefore customised IPSW = customised firmware? And the "firmware" here means the default apps, secpack(hence the bootloader and baseband files among other things) and required system files packaged into a single unit?

I know i've been out of the loop since my revirginizing days of 1.0.2/1.1.1 but i'd like to think i'm well versed in the workings of an iPhone and how the firmware/IPSW comes into play.


Ahem.

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Added on April 4, 2008, 12:47 amSyncing 8Gb is kacang putih if you're just ticking off what to sync, re-installing the apps isnt. Can i pay anyone here to reinstall the apps for me, hence taking my time off doing the bloody thing already? Im not looking forward to installing 3 pages worth of apps just for kicks, or to prove im 1337 or anything.




This post has been edited by stringfellow: Apr 4 2008, 12:47 AM

Ermm bro ... ur understanding on custom firmware is different from what i meant. Maybe u should read more/research on the payload method expecially iLiberty or iPlus, then u'll understand what i meant by custom firmware/IPSW (1.0.2/1.1.1 are an "old" story already so u might want to update yourself). If only have "default apps, secpack(hence the bootloader and baseband files among other things) and required system files packaged into a single unit" then this is not a customize IPSW/firmware. Its the normal IPSW. The only customize thing in the pawnage tool are pre-jailbreak,pre-activate and pre-unlocking within firmware itself with the addition of bootneuter app. If i'm not mistaken ... it does not include installer.app when u pwned ur phone. Correct me on this SEP10 if i'm mistaken since u already tried it.


This is why i said i want to make a custome firmware with all my settings, contacts, emails, custom mods, 3rd party apps and all those other stuff that takes our time to do after a restore. So with THAT custome firmware, i just pick the IPSW file and restore and BAM (sebut mcm steve jobs ) everything back like before restoring. Wouldn't dat take out all the hassle from restoring?

We are arguing about the definition of IPSW and Firmware, apparently you argued that you cant used these two terms interchangably, when i say they are both the same thing. Hence why this:-



I know about the whole payload system and your notion of a custom "firmware" (okay, we'll use YOUR term), i've used iPlus before to unlock my own re-updated 1.1.4. The whole confusion here is about "definition", not the methods.

Apparently your sarcasm meter is broken, coz i posted that sarcastically. Any clearer would make the post not work "sarcastically".

I suggest you reread what i posted from post #11. Hell, my Post #11 itself described your interest in what you define as "custom firmware", but what i call "customised .IPSW", when we are talking about the same thing. My gripe with you is that in one post you wrote "custom firmware", then later "custom IPSW" then on another on the same post itself , you wrote "custom IPSW firmware". Getting your terms and definition right would help in conveying your message across and not confusing others and yourself.

Let me put it in bullet points:-

1. I talked about "Pwning an .IPSW package with addition of your own 3rd party apps".
2. You then talked about "custom IPSW" which is the same thing as what i mean, only that you elaborated further with using the payload system modeled after the iLiberty/iPlus to make every restores easier. I admit i should have elaborated further on my Point #1 there, but that is basically what i mean.
3. The whole thread after this went into a spiral dive about one person thinking that the other person has it all wrong, when they are both thinking about the same thing.

Are we on the same page now?

But i see something good about all this, at least we have a healthy discussion about this, rather than a one-way communication. I applaud your enthusiasm and effort in engaging this discussion, unlike others who stop dead in their tracks once something on the contrary to their beliefs or way of thinking , hit them.

nyum nyum, with iPhone Pwn has been released, y not they leak the firmware 1.2 already? or the second beta 2.0 that has already being seeded by Apple just days b4? some people needs Exchange goodness, hehehe...

or maybe another 2 months isn't that long for the official ones? hihihi...

This post has been edited by LaskarCinta: Apr 4 2008, 01:37 AM

Did i said we can't use the two terms interchangably? Hmmm .. . I agree with u that IPSW = firmware (IPSW is the file format that contains the firmware ... or izzit im still confuse?). Thats why i use it interchangably. Sorry to other forumer if by my action of using those 2 terms confuses u all. My bad. I should just stick to one format since both thing means the same. . And there is no MY term or YOUR term or ANYONES term. Just the universal iPhone term. I understand what the "Definition" is and yes .. i was talking about the method and not the definition.



Its not broken but asleep but my other meters and functions are still working fine.



And i suggest u re-read post #10. Yeah the one before u.



In this statement ... you assumed that we can add our own 3rd party apps inside the .ipsw package which is correct hence your definition of "custom" .ipsw package or firmware (what ever u wanna call it).

In my statement ... I was wondering about the "IPSW builder" in the pawnage tool itself. If u look carefully in the video, there's no option to put our own 3rd party apps (like u mention above) in the .ipsw package. It looks like the "IPSW builder" only limited to repackaging the .IPSW package with a pre-jailbreak, pre-activate and pre-unlock files in it plus the bootneuter app (which is the only 3rd party app available in the "IPSW Builder"). I was concentrating more on the TOOL itself rather that the definition. This was cleared up by SEP10 from his link to the "IPSW tool" (read that carefully ... later u say i use "IPSW builder" then "IPSW tool" then "IPSW builder" then "IPSW tool" ... which is not the same thing or tools) by chronic dev that can package our 3rd party apps in the .ipsw package which "IPSW builder" can't do. Hope other forumer don't get confuse ... later habis i kena lagi.

Sometime people just don't take the pride to stood by their beliefs (if they 100% confirm its right la). I love discussing this ... with it we can gather more info or corrected our misguided view (if there's any).

BTW u should've been a prosecution lawyer instead of a pilot (my sarcastic meter just woke up) Hehehehehehe.

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Added on April 4, 2008, 2:33 amUse the 1.2 firmware or 2.0 only if you are a authorize developer from the SDK program. If your not a developer then better don't as its a copyright infringement. And I suggest to all forumer that have the "dirty" idea to download the "leak" firmware not to do it. If u do your research ... firmware 1.2 or 2.0 are still not stable enough for daily usage. Its design as a testing platform for the SDK apps, CISCO VPN and MS Exchange functionality. U won't get any benefit from it but more headache. Just be patient and wait for the official one which is another 2 months. Pejam celik pejam celik sudah 2 bulan.

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 4 2008, 02:33 AM

like we haven't crossed the line before with jailbreak stuffs, vfdecrypt on 1.1.3 firmware, splitting of baseband f/w n software f/w without permission by Apple, unlocking of baseband, etc etc. haha...
waaa...waaa... but i still want one. wanna also use. waaa...waaa... <---myself crying like a baby
btw why not just leak one? if anything goes wrong then it's only one click away to restore. btw i've already know that as they implement many new things inside the beta firmware, then normally it tends to become buggy. so i'm ready for the expected consequences prior to this firmware.
but now has second beta already (which supposed to be lot more stable), y not just leak eh?
if the team still haven't release BootNeuter then maybe i'll not raise this question. just wanna try, then if got prob then of course i'll perform restore with stable firmware.

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Added on April 4, 2008, 3:11 am
and btw, iPhone beta firmware is not as unstable as thought. just check this:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/iphone-...firmware-early/
it's not only seeded to software developers, but also to the selected enterprise.
thus, it's not supposed to be a really buggy beta. in other words, it should be already easy to use for enterprise users.

This post has been edited by LaskarCinta: Apr 4 2008, 03:15 AM

Okay, okay lets get this right before i turn in for the day (it's already late!)

Custom firmware = customised .IPSW = the end-result of what IPSW Builder does= the same thing.

That way we wont be stepping on each other's tails.

Weird still though, that if you claim it to be a UNIVERSAL term, shouldnt it be referred to as a SINGLE TERM, and not a variation of a term (eg. custom IPSW, custom firmware, custom IPSW firmware). The clearer one defines such a term makes the process of describing the method succinct and direct, not getting lost in translation.

My pointing out Post #11 is in response to the DEFINITION, not the method. Your comeback of pointing out Post #10 still does not detract from the issue that we are all actually talking about the same thing, but for some reason could not agree on the term to call it.

I agree though, that i was more wanting the Pwnage Tool to go further than what it is right now, to include customised IPSW package (built using IPSW Builder/IPSWTool <----term added to avoid "confusion" later ) so that each restore will be like Time Machine or *shudder* Restore Points in WinXP.

Now with that come to pass, can we move on to the ACTUAL results of those who had tried, rather than biting each other's heads(top or bottom) off? No first prize for showing who's 1337-er than the other, it's only e-penis anyway.

P/S: All lawyers go to jail. I'd rather stand a chance at entering Heaven than a "straight to Hell" card most lawyers are playing. Not to far behind are Translators though, they hold a huge burden explaining and describing their material clearly and without the benefit of doubt, otherwise they will be responsible in leading the "pack" into the wrong direction.

Hmmm ... the term IS universal whereas u can refer it to any one of it. So there is no SINGLE TERM. Universal here means that IPSW is firmware is IPSW Firmware is IPSW package ... in the end whatever u may call it ... its still the same thing ... provided u don't make new term for it that other people never heard of. (Disclaimer -- other forumer who don't understand this please stay clear or your head gonna explode from confusion ). Maybe i've been too long in this IT world that i ASSUME people would know what i meant when i LOOSELY use the term (thats within context) to describe it and hope people would get the same idea as me. My bad.

This is where i said the confusion starts where i was asking about the TOOLS used and not the DEFINITION. If u would read post #10 again u would know that I was merely asking out of curiosity about the function of the IPSW builder that the DEV team said we can customize it with any 3rd party apps that we want but there is no option to do it yet. Then in post #11 u gave the definition of what your understanding of a custome .ipsw package is regarding to my previous post (which i clearly know what the definition is). So in my opinion, your statement did not answer my question about the IPSW builder to make a custome .ipsw package. True?

Nothing in this statement (POST#11) refer to my post above (POST#10) about the TOOLS used for making the custom .ipsw package and nothing in POST#10 that i ask what is the definition for it. Thats why i said this is the point where all this bickering (discussion la) and confusion starts. U r right with the definition of what a custom .ipsw package is where as i was talking more on a higher level of customization for the .ipsw package using the IPWS builder. So i hope this clear everything.

I couldn't agree more with u on this. The possibilities for this tools are endless. This will save the time and hassle for each time we restore the phone. Unless u r a bum with a lot of time to spare doing nothing but installing back all the 3rd party apps and settings. Hehehehehehehehehe. No pun intended for anyone.

Well there was no prize at all in the first place. Just EGOS. We're not men if we don't have any hint of ego in ourselves right?

Maybe if lawyers do pro-bono work then they might stand a chance of not going "straight to Hell". Keh keh keh keh keh keh.

Anyway ... its been a good discussion with u string. Good ones.


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Sorry guys if the b****ing and biting each other scare u all away from discussing the main topic here about the pawnage tools release. My sincere apologies. Mari mari ... jangan malu jangan segan.

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 4 2008, 12:04 PM

Now try to add apps into "Pwnage Tools"
Tonight I'll tested it. If I put the correct folder, I confidence it will be auto add my apps.

Hehehehe ... manage to get the BootNeuter.app working on my phone. I have not use the Pwnage tools yet. I just restore my BL 3.9FB with stock BL 4.6 and successfully unlock without losing any data. Now just have to wait the Pwnage tool for PC.

Now to hide the BootNeuter so any of my 'trigger-happy finger' friends don't accidentally run this.


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Hope this can explain it. Got this straight from MuscleNerd himself.

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Added on April 4, 2008, 2:57 pm@SEP10
The "Pwnage Tools" can add apps (other 3rd party apps i mean) into it? I thought this can only be done using "IPSW tool" from chronic dev which u gave the link.

And I would like to correct my previous statement ... the Pwnage tool does put installer in the custom .ipsw package. From the video its not visible because installer.app is not compatible with 1.2 or 2.0 firmware.

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 4 2008, 02:57 PM

It can be done, because dev team add "installer app" into "custom ipsw".
And I try to add some apps. But I didnt have mac here (office) to try.
I will try it tonight.
Even I try to change that pineapple logo also. Hate it..

This post has been edited by SEP910: Apr 4 2008, 03:32 PM

Hehehehe ... maybe change to our own cartoon face. Mmmmm ... better stick with the apple logo. More stylish.

Do try adding the apps and report in with the results. Thanks man.

So far has anyone tried the tool? And what's the usage of custom payload?

What tools???



Frozzbyte, I manage to bundle 4 apps into custom ipsw
1)HWinfo
2)Locateme
3)Sysinfo
4)Capture.

I want to try to bundle more apps..

This post has been edited by SEP910: Apr 4 2008, 10:24 PM

Unlock iphone using Pwnage tool.

Yes Pwnage tools
wanna joint, wiling your iphone be white mouse?
Where I'm going to find more apps???

1st try
I manage to bundle 4 apps into custom ipsw
1)HWinfo
2)Locateme
3)Sysinfo
4)Capture.

*Change pineapple logo to rainbow apple

For apps that install more than "application" folder, needs to do like below..



This post has been edited by SEP910: Apr 5 2008, 12:14 AM

I see ... its possible to put 3rd party apps while building the IPSW. Good Good. Maybe this is the method that will be use in the IPSW tool later. Mmmmm ... can't wait to try and create my custom ipsw.

SEP10 ... what about settings i.e plist files or pics from camera roll? Do u think its possible?

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Added on April 5, 2008, 12:27 amAaaa ok ... i looked back at your quote and understand that you only have full write access to the /Applications path only. Means that further customization to include settings and other stuff beside apps look kinda impossible. Good findings SEP10.

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 5 2008, 12:27 AM

It might be posible with IPSW tool, but with IPSW bulider it only have few file that I can understand. (or file that I know to put apps into)





I think that until now, tired to reinstall apps... again and again...
run before stringfellow landing...

This post has been edited by SEP910: Apr 5 2008, 12:37 AM

so this pwnage tool can only works with MAC? not windows? =_=