About loading custom firmwares i.e. our apps and all for backup, I don't see any features to do so. Am i missing something? Looks like the IPSW builder only have the option to jailbreak, activate, unlock and put boot neuter in it.

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Why o why u want to put WinMo in this phone?

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 3 2008, 07:54 PM

Mmmm ... So hows the initial overview of ur new pineapple? Care to give some review?

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What i meant by custom IPSW is like the payload system used in iLiberty or iPlus. If the IPSW builder can do a payload like dat then it would be great. Then i can make a custom IPSW firmware with all my settings, custom mods, themes and other stuff so life would be easier everytime i want to restore. Right now i'm experimenting on the payload system in iLiberty to achive this.

@SEP10
Bootneuter - fully disable baseband security check.

This is how we can run unsign or custom firmware in the phone. This also remove the check to validate secpack where BL4.6 need a higher or equal secpack to restore the baseband and do the unlock. Unlike BL3.9 where u can reflash the baseband to any of ur choosing. So bootneuter eliminates this checking.

U can read about bootneuter in http://wikee.iphwn.org/sgold_bootrom:bootneuter for more info.

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Added on April 3, 2008, 11:46 pmipswtool ... Just what i was looking for. Thanks.

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 3 2008, 11:46 PM

Errrm ... Nope. Thats not what i meant with custom firmware. Maybe u didn't get the idea of what i meant by custom firmware. Nevermind. Pawnage tool can't do that level of customization ... yet. I'll just wait for the ipswtool.

@SEP10
Thats why i want to do a customize IPSW similar to iLiberty payload so i don't have to waste time install, install and install everything back. With the customize IPSW that i mention, i would have everything back just by restoring in itunes. The possibilities of what u can do is so awesome.

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Added on April 4, 2008, 12:44 amYeah ... thinking the same thing. Wait for F/W 2.0 then do the pawnage unless I need to restore back the phone in the near future. Just hope nothing happens coz right now i'm alpha testing customize 2.0 (gonna be a nice one when its launch later).

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 4 2008, 12:44 AM

Ermm bro ... ur understanding on custom firmware is different from what i meant. Maybe u should read more/research on the payload method expecially iLiberty or iPlus, then u'll understand what i meant by custom firmware/IPSW (1.0.2/1.1.1 are an "old" story already so u might want to update yourself). If only have "default apps, secpack(hence the bootloader and baseband files among other things) and required system files packaged into a single unit" then this is not a customize IPSW/firmware. Its the normal IPSW. The only customize thing in the pawnage tool are pre-jailbreak,pre-activate and pre-unlocking within firmware itself with the addition of bootneuter app. If i'm not mistaken ... it does not include installer.app when u pwned ur phone. Correct me on this SEP10 if i'm mistaken since u already tried it.


This is why i said i want to make a custome firmware with all my settings, contacts, emails, custom mods, 3rd party apps and all those other stuff that takes our time to do after a restore. So with THAT custome firmware, i just pick the IPSW file and restore and BAM (sebut mcm steve jobs ) everything back like before restoring. Wouldn't dat take out all the hassle from restoring?

Did i said we can't use the two terms interchangably? Hmmm .. . I agree with u that IPSW = firmware (IPSW is the file format that contains the firmware ... or izzit im still confuse?). Thats why i use it interchangably. Sorry to other forumer if by my action of using those 2 terms confuses u all. My bad. I should just stick to one format since both thing means the same. . And there is no MY term or YOUR term or ANYONES term. Just the universal iPhone term. I understand what the "Definition" is and yes .. i was talking about the method and not the definition.



Its not broken but asleep but my other meters and functions are still working fine.



And i suggest u re-read post #10. Yeah the one before u.



In this statement ... you assumed that we can add our own 3rd party apps inside the .ipsw package which is correct hence your definition of "custom" .ipsw package or firmware (what ever u wanna call it).

In my statement ... I was wondering about the "IPSW builder" in the pawnage tool itself. If u look carefully in the video, there's no option to put our own 3rd party apps (like u mention above) in the .ipsw package. It looks like the "IPSW builder" only limited to repackaging the .IPSW package with a pre-jailbreak, pre-activate and pre-unlock files in it plus the bootneuter app (which is the only 3rd party app available in the "IPSW Builder"). I was concentrating more on the TOOL itself rather that the definition. This was cleared up by SEP10 from his link to the "IPSW tool" (read that carefully ... later u say i use "IPSW builder" then "IPSW tool" then "IPSW builder" then "IPSW tool" ... which is not the same thing or tools) by chronic dev that can package our 3rd party apps in the .ipsw package which "IPSW builder" can't do. Hope other forumer don't get confuse ... later habis i kena lagi.

Sometime people just don't take the pride to stood by their beliefs (if they 100% confirm its right la). I love discussing this ... with it we can gather more info or corrected our misguided view (if there's any).

BTW u should've been a prosecution lawyer instead of a pilot (my sarcastic meter just woke up) Hehehehehehe.

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Added on April 4, 2008, 2:33 amUse the 1.2 firmware or 2.0 only if you are a authorize developer from the SDK program. If your not a developer then better don't as its a copyright infringement. And I suggest to all forumer that have the "dirty" idea to download the "leak" firmware not to do it. If u do your research ... firmware 1.2 or 2.0 are still not stable enough for daily usage. Its design as a testing platform for the SDK apps, CISCO VPN and MS Exchange functionality. U won't get any benefit from it but more headache. Just be patient and wait for the official one which is another 2 months. Pejam celik pejam celik sudah 2 bulan.

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 4 2008, 02:33 AM

Hmmm ... the term IS universal whereas u can refer it to any one of it. So there is no SINGLE TERM. Universal here means that IPSW is firmware is IPSW Firmware is IPSW package ... in the end whatever u may call it ... its still the same thing ... provided u don't make new term for it that other people never heard of. (Disclaimer -- other forumer who don't understand this please stay clear or your head gonna explode from confusion ). Maybe i've been too long in this IT world that i ASSUME people would know what i meant when i LOOSELY use the term (thats within context) to describe it and hope people would get the same idea as me. My bad.

This is where i said the confusion starts where i was asking about the TOOLS used and not the DEFINITION. If u would read post #10 again u would know that I was merely asking out of curiosity about the function of the IPSW builder that the DEV team said we can customize it with any 3rd party apps that we want but there is no option to do it yet. Then in post #11 u gave the definition of what your understanding of a custome .ipsw package is regarding to my previous post (which i clearly know what the definition is). So in my opinion, your statement did not answer my question about the IPSW builder to make a custome .ipsw package. True?

Nothing in this statement (POST#11) refer to my post above (POST#10) about the TOOLS used for making the custom .ipsw package and nothing in POST#10 that i ask what is the definition for it. Thats why i said this is the point where all this bickering (discussion la) and confusion starts. U r right with the definition of what a custom .ipsw package is where as i was talking more on a higher level of customization for the .ipsw package using the IPWS builder. So i hope this clear everything.

I couldn't agree more with u on this. The possibilities for this tools are endless. This will save the time and hassle for each time we restore the phone. Unless u r a bum with a lot of time to spare doing nothing but installing back all the 3rd party apps and settings. Hehehehehehehehehe. No pun intended for anyone.

Well there was no prize at all in the first place. Just EGOS. We're not men if we don't have any hint of ego in ourselves right?

Maybe if lawyers do pro-bono work then they might stand a chance of not going "straight to Hell". Keh keh keh keh keh keh.

Anyway ... its been a good discussion with u string. Good ones.


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Sorry guys if the b****ing and biting each other scare u all away from discussing the main topic here about the pawnage tools release. My sincere apologies. Mari mari ... jangan malu jangan segan.

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 4 2008, 12:04 PM

Hehehehe ... manage to get the BootNeuter.app working on my phone. I have not use the Pwnage tools yet. I just restore my BL 3.9FB with stock BL 4.6 and successfully unlock without losing any data. Now just have to wait the Pwnage tool for PC.

Now to hide the BootNeuter so any of my 'trigger-happy finger' friends don't accidentally run this.


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Hope this can explain it. Got this straight from MuscleNerd himself.

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Added on April 4, 2008, 2:57 pm@SEP10
The "Pwnage Tools" can add apps (other 3rd party apps i mean) into it? I thought this can only be done using "IPSW tool" from chronic dev which u gave the link.

And I would like to correct my previous statement ... the Pwnage tool does put installer in the custom .ipsw package. From the video its not visible because installer.app is not compatible with 1.2 or 2.0 firmware.

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 4 2008, 02:57 PM

Hehehehe ... maybe change to our own cartoon face. Mmmmm ... better stick with the apple logo. More stylish.

Do try adding the apps and report in with the results. Thanks man.

I see ... its possible to put 3rd party apps while building the IPSW. Good Good. Maybe this is the method that will be use in the IPSW tool later. Mmmmm ... can't wait to try and create my custom ipsw.

SEP10 ... what about settings i.e plist files or pics from camera roll? Do u think its possible?

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Added on April 5, 2008, 12:27 amAaaa ok ... i looked back at your quote and understand that you only have full write access to the /Applications path only. Means that further customization to include settings and other stuff beside apps look kinda impossible. Good findings SEP10.

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 5 2008, 12:27 AM

Hmmm ... it seems dat u have firmware 2.0 with you ? I can't comment anything as i can't use the tools yet.

Keh keh keh keh keh. Why o why.

oooo i c. Can't wait to try this.

I'm only gonna get my MBP this may ... so after that i can have the best of both world. Ehehehehehe.

I think bootneuter is the best app to unlock and flash the bootloader or baseband. Still waiting for the winpwn app for windoze. Looks like winpwn have a built in IPSWtools to customize it more.

Pwnage tools tops every other tools because u don't need to do all the jailbreak, activate and unlock procedure every time u restore. Just restore with the custom IPSW and everything is done automatically. But i prefer iLiberty more to ZiPhone due to the 2 pass method it use rather than RAMDisk method (which is unstable) used in ZiPhone.

Right now i prefer iLiberty over ZiPhone but not pwnage coz i've no access to pwnage (since i'm on windoze but not for long).

What I like about iLiberty is that u can have a custom payloads to go with the process that can make our lives easier. Now even ZiPhone copies the function by adding the payload system but still using the unstable RAMDisk method. Pwnage for me is the BEST tool so far (although i haven't personally test it).

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Added on April 13, 2008, 2:47 pmNow the question of having which bootloader is not relevant anymore with bootneuter. U can go back and forth (not recommended) just by using software method. Now people that been forcefully downgraded to BL3.9 by ZiPhone can upgrade back to BL4.6 anytime they want with bootneuter app. Bootneuter also can upgrade back the mysterious BL3.8 (google more on this for info). So now u have the chance to upgrade or downgrade without opening your iphone case.

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 13 2008, 02:47 PM

Mmm ... i don't see the need to pwn the phone in near future unless something happen. Borrow someone else's mac? No need ... by next month or so i'll be having one myself. And by then also the winpwn will already be released. Mmmm ... then i'll have the best of both worlds ehhh.

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Added on April 14, 2008, 12:41 am@Corvinux
If u think that the BL is giving u problem (which it's not) then u can try using bootneuter to upgrade it back to BL4.6. U won't loose any data by doing so. Then u can compare whether its the culprit.

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 14 2008, 12:41 AM

Since u have a mac machine ... i suggest u to do the pwnage. Its an all-in-one process and really easy. I don't need pwnage right now coz mine is still functioning well and no need to be restored. Pwnage lift up the BL restriction so we can restore with custom IPSW file with all the jailbreak/activate/unlock and installer. With this we won't need to run separate application like iLiberty to do the other process. Its been done during the restoring itself. Then u got the bootneuter app to make unlocking precedure easier and upgrading or downgrading the BL with just a flick of the finger.

U can pwn the phone now .. why need to wait for ver2.0. U just need to pwn once and it stays pwned until u restore with the stock IPSW file. When firmware 2.0 comes out ... we no need to pwn the phone again ... just make the custom IPSW with IPSW builder and restore (i don't know if we can just upgrade) the phone. No need to wait for firmware 2.0 to pwn the phone. The pwn state will last as long as we don't restore with the stock IPSW.

No need. Pwn and bootneuter only need to do once and it stays. If u need to restore back to original setting i.e. u want to send back for warranty ... then u just need to set back bootneuter to default and restore with stock IPSW file. If new firmware comes out ... we just need to make a custom IPSW file with the IPSW builder and restore with it. I'm not sure about upgrading with custom firmware though ... i'll ask around. I know your concern, either we need to restore fresh and loose all data everytime new firmware comes out.

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Apr 14 2008, 07:46 PM

Installed it at office computer. Still in early stage and lots of the features are been greyed/disabled but the main features are there. Don't dare to try on my phone since its still in beta test. If got another phone to play then i surely tried this already.

Errr ... u can do that without pwning the phone. Or am I wrong?