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post Jan 16 2012, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 16 2012, 01:30 PM)
Generally Asia Ex-Japan bonds are attractive, Korean bond yields are attractive too yet not too high risk laugh.gif
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Emm don't relly like Korean Bonds... OPR is already low at 3.25%, can't go much lower and also the debt is already rate AAA, so no more upside. tongue.gif
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post Jan 16 2012, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jan 16 2012, 02:02 PM)
Was at the Fundsupermart Fair last weekend and both the Greater China Funds recommended (Prudinasti  and Manulife China Value Fund) gave double digit loss since 2010. But they did show that P/E is ten year low currently.
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Emmm Malaysian Fund Managers so far can't perform for China Investment.. you need local fund managers to navigate the China investments as there are many 'hanky panky' around. laugh.gif


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post Jan 16 2012, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jan 16 2012, 03:02 PM)
So China market is actually a crocodile pond, so how do you invest in China Funds if not thru Malaysian Fund Managers?
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I am invested via First State Regional China Fund and DWS China Equity.. google it. smile.gif I invest via Singapore.

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post Jan 16 2012, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 16 2012, 05:05 PM)
I believe the same applies to Malaysian equities, I doubt if foreign fund managers with no local presence can do well with a Malaysian equities fund.
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Yep.. local fund manager can get good info.. hence better performance. There are foreign fund managers which is doing quite well.. and they have office in Malaysia. Check out Aberdeen Asset Management, and they are managing EPF fund as well. smile.gif. Other than that fund with no presence/office in Malaysian are doing quite badly as well...


Added on January 16, 2012, 5:24 pm
QUOTE(MGM @ Jan 16 2012, 04:12 PM)
Returns not so good unless invested in 2008. You bought thru dollardex or fundsupermart or Direct?

I realised that short/medium/long termĀ  few funds can match the performance of ASB. The Bumi are so damn lucky.
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Yep, but they beat the benchmark for almost every year. The china funds managed by Malaysian fund managers all performing below benchmark one. doh.gif


Added on January 16, 2012, 5:29 pm
QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jan 16 2012, 03:59 PM)
gark, mind sharing how u invested in indonesian bond?
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There are few local fund on Indonesian Equity/ Balanced fund but no fund on Indonesian Bonds. If one to invest in a pure Indonesian Bond fund, you must buy through Singapore or Indonesia... I have First State Indonesian Bond Fund... laugh.gif

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post Feb 6 2012, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 6 2012, 03:58 AM)
Kenanga Growth is doing WONDERFUL, but WHAT IF KLSE goes crashing down?
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Kenanga Growth is doing quite well for the past 2-3 years is due to the stock selection that favors it during this time. The fund mostly focus on dividend growth stocks, which is kind of the 'theme' during these turbulence times (US & EU problems) which see tremendous appreciation for these stocks. If you see the long term performance, It did not do so well prior to 2009 due the investor preference to pure growth stocks (during super boom times). So it's out-performance during 2009-1012 is primary due to the fund having the right 'theme' during the right time.

IMHO dividend stocks is already approaching 'bubble' status especially overseas, and now the dividend yield for the stocks is no longer attractive. However, dividend growth strategy is a prudent and less volatile strategy so even in the even of stock market boom times, It will not be too shaby either, but then it will not have much out-performance either.

That being said, although Kenanga Growth Fund has a spectacular run so far, I wouldn't put all may eggs in it. wink.gif
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post Feb 8 2012, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 8 2012, 01:25 PM)
I'm buying the PRU one. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Prudential AP Fund has been constantly performing below benchmark year after year also you want to buy?? ISF funds are mostly under performing and the management fees are expensive...

If you want Asia ex Japan, I would suggest the following two funds, which has performed consistently above benchmark over the years. rclxms.gif

Aberdeen Pacific Equity Fund
First State Asia Growth Fund

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post Feb 8 2012, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 8 2012, 02:12 PM)
I'm referring to PRUGlobal Emerging Markets, not PRUAsia Pac sweat.gif

PRUAsia Pac SHARIAH performed better than PRUAsia Pac, can be considered icon_idea.gif

The 2...not available in Malaysia doh.gif
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Well PRU Global Emerging markets is so-so only lah...look at 1m, 6m, 1 yr and 3 yr all near the benchmark only, might as well buy ETF. The management charge by ISF is always expensive, not include all other charges also...

If emerging markets.. take a look at First State GEM Leaders .. rclxms.gif

Not available in Malaysia means cannot buy 1 meh? The world is globalized already lah, can use internet to buy anywhere & anytime.

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post Feb 13 2012, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 12 2012, 01:37 PM)
And it surprises me that AmDynamic Bond consistently managed to do better than its supposedly lower risk profiled sister fund, AmBond, scoring better at "Preservation" on Lipper rating sweat.gif
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Preservation is not equal to lower risk... for risk factor you have to measure the volatility. Ambond is 1.9 while AmDynamic is higher at 2.2. laugh.gif
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post Jul 16 2012, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 16 2012, 04:31 PM)
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=000001....urce=undefined;
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1747 in Oct 2008
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2148 just now 16th July 2012

come on baby....
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Collecting.... 1st batch 1,800, 2nd batch at 2,300, 3rd batch at 2,200... more to collect soon as long as SSI <2,500. brows.gif BTW china mega banks are selling now at PE 6-8 only with DY of 4-5%... this is not small banks, but banks with assets >5 billion USD. rclxms.gif Even consumer companies, coal, oil etc is about PE 8-10. drool.gif

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post Jul 16 2012, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 16 2012, 06:16 PM)
u buying china funds or GEM funds hmm.gif
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Pure China fund, which invest in H Shares & Red chips with a small amount of A shares only.

I also have a separate pacific ex Japan fund as well...
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post Jul 18 2012, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(Chartry @ Jul 18 2012, 05:40 PM)
Any nice Asia ex Japan Fund around? I don't like Eastpring Asia Ex Japan although it is recommended by Fundsupermart
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Check out Aberdeen Pacific Equity Fund, beating the benchmark for >10 years straight brows.gif . I am vested. tongue.gif
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post Jul 24 2012, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Jul 23 2012, 09:28 PM)
The Euro common currency is a lousy idea full of holes. The Euro people know it, but the answer out of that shit is not that simple.

Unlike individual countries that can take whatever course is the best for their own future, Euro countries cannot. Unlike the UNITED States of America which have a central government, the Euro is just a pile of badly mixed rojak.

From an investment point of view, fundamentals and technical are useless. You need to gamble/guess what the politicians are going to do next.
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When Euro loan too much and cannot pay their debt, we say they are lousy and irresponsible. Their money worthless, fiat money, lousy economy etc etc. But when they are enjoying those debt (given as handouts by politicians), no one says anything and their praise their govt.

Now Malaysia is doing the same thing with our govt going heavily into debt (currently our 2012 budget is -7% of GDP), by giving all kind of subsidies, 1Malaysia handout, even taxi tire subsidy, we are not saying anything also? Later people will say the same about Malaysians and their currency and compare them to EU. wink.gif

So lets not say bad about other's fiscal responsibility until we can manage our own. laugh.gif


Added on July 24, 2012, 1:41 pm
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 24 2012, 01:15 PM)
China’s Stocks Decline to Lowest Since 2009 on Economy Concern

Wong Seafood...sudah cukup darah kat jalanan? brows.gif
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Wait till SSE below 2,000, then I sapu more... drool.gif

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post Jul 24 2012, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 24 2012, 02:13 PM)
In a perfect world, all the PIIGS would just announce bad news one shot killing blow... (major dip pain then lelong buys)
rather than these pecking pecking us to slow death - 'ala boiling a frog slowly, we just get used to it and THEN.. too late.Ā  sweat.gif

Becoming de-sensitized.. numb.. from bad news, good news, bad news.. luckily only from neck up, lower body still fine tongue.gif
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Waiting for the exact bottom is tough.. it is better to see the P/E ratio of the exchange and gauge if it is a good deal to pick up gradually.

In the last crash, I was buying in lots with HSI at 18K (P/E 12), then at 16K, 14K, 12.5K (P/E <8!)and then purchase at rebound at 15K. Sold the fund in 2010/2011 with HSI at about 20K for a nice tidy profit. rclxms.gif At one time the fund is at -30% sweat.gif .

Now with HSI at 19K and SSE at 2.1K, the china forward P/E is about 8.6

So to buy or not to buy? tongue.gif Anyway with China stocks, I am no longer buying mutual fund but buying though CIMB Xinhua25 fund. (0.6% management fee)

P/S Malaysia's P/E is currently 14.9, one of the highest in the world, due to our buoyant (EPF Supported) market... brows.gif

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post Jul 24 2012, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jul 24 2012, 02:51 PM)
rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
as long EPF ada, im loyal to local markets. rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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You do realize that EPF is using YOUR money to boost the share market so that YOU feel good right? rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 24 2012, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 24 2012, 02:55 PM)
Nah.. P/E 8.6.. 8 more ong hehe.

On a serious note, i usually take a peek at the PE and DY, just in case something weird at the time with PEs tongue.gif - happened to me before with local stock SHELL and a local REIT  sweat.gif
A discount of 50% on average PE of 5 or more years is enough to entice 1/3 to 1/2 of my dry opportunity ammo  laugh.gif
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Like that arrr... this kind of low valuation you want one have to wait 10-15 years one woh.. 1937, 1973, 1980, 1997, 2008.... can wait ah? laugh.gif
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post Aug 9 2012, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 9 2012, 03:56 PM)
Seafood memang seafood notworthy.gif

I found a few stocks with good divvy yield and low valuations...thinking to go in or not hmm.gif

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Usually when you find stocks with low valuation and high DY, you must check the reason for it to be such a bargain. Most of the time the bargain is temporary and will turn for worse later. The stock could have a declining profit, low growth, dilution, potential loss, small cap, ace market or just plain illiquid and no volume. tongue.gif

Stock picking is much much harder than fund picking and you really really need to do your home work. laugh.gif

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post Aug 9 2012, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 9 2012, 05:09 PM)
Yea I know that...been burnt in stocks before (that was when I do trading on purely technicals gambling reading) sweat.gif

DY and PE is only the initial screening...will look deeper into their financials, announcements and industry news nod.gif
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So which stocks is on your radar? brows.gif

You and me is the opposite. You migrate from stocks to UT and I reverse, migrate from UT to stocks. laugh.gif

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post Sep 7 2012, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 7 2012, 07:20 PM)

Boing!
Looks like still gotta wait it out more.. i hate being a vulture "waiting for things to die", i feel like killing something NOW! tongue.gif
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Sometimes things just don't die easily.. wait wait.. forever until cannot 'tahan' anymore and hentam all, then all hell break lose. laugh.gif
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post Sep 17 2012, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(gracelim2202 @ Sep 15 2012, 06:46 PM)
Hello, would like to check what is Hong Leong's Income Management Fund? Is this specifically designed for its PB clients? What are the benefits and risks involved?
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Typical MM fund, for those that is sooooooo lazy even to place FD themselves. The fund invest for you into FD & NID. Earning for last year is 2.82%, which is lower than general FD. Not for PB clients, anyone also can buy.

Useless fund.. tongue.gif

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post Sep 17 2012, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 17 2012, 02:10 PM)
if u look harder, there are MM funds that beat even 12 months FD icon_idea.gif
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Those are not 'pure' MM funds, but do hold some short term bonds... I would not classify them as MM as they do take some risk exposure. laugh.gif

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