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gark
post Sep 18 2012, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(gracelim2202 @ Sep 18 2012, 12:30 AM)
Hi gark, what is MM and NID stands for?
Actually the objective is not so much looking for high return. Just that would like to "park" the money and let it work a bit harder while waiting for certain investment such as property purchase/JV in franchise.
If put in normal saving/current it will be low interest rate.
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Instead of parking the money in the fund, why don't you park in short term FD with rate of 3%-3.5% on monthly renewal basis? That way your money do work harder, with no risk and no need to pay fees to those bankers. Also on monthly renewal basis, if you cancel the FD on moment's notice you only lose the accrued interest of less than 1 month. wink.gif

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post Sep 21 2012, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(aronteh @ Sep 21 2012, 03:21 AM)
There is nothing special with gold status. Just a way to get more discount from the sales charge. You don't like me being call unker. blush.gif


Added on September 21, 2012, 3:34 am

When I way young, I know nothing about UT and alway chasing after hot tip in stock market and got burn left right center. With discipline and time with you, I am sure you can do better. thumbup.gif

Yes I have account with FSM SG and a few SG bank account. Due to long term weakness in ringgit I am slowly moving fund monthly into SG for diversification.
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I used to have FSM SG... but since they have the platform fee, I am migrating to POEM... same sales charge no platform fees... wink.gif

Now planning to further migrate to NYSEACRA for ETF's... for even cheaper charges icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Sep 21 2012, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 21 2012, 01:23 PM)
so many sifu sifu here notworthy.gif

ETF min. entry berapa? small ikan bilis like me can only play FSM blush.gif

FSM SG...u open a SG bank account? But I'm in KL...I whole life never masuk Lion City doh.gif
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FSM SG no need SG account, can TT from MY Bank to FSM directly and recieve TT bank in directly to MY Bank from FSM. For POEM and DOllardex need local bank account.

For ETF, min purchase is 1 share, but then your trading cost is expensive, around USD 5-10 (depend on broker) per purchase. Even you buy 1 share or 1 million share the cost is the same. Please note dividend will have a 30% witholding tax, so choose ETF which does not have dividend payout (accumulated). Can bank TT and receive TT from MY bank to US bank as well same as above...

Most (US)ETF have management fee of 0.1%-0.3% p.a. thumbup.gif


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post Sep 21 2012, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 21 2012, 01:45 PM)
FSM SG bank account? Or FSM MYR bank account? If I'm not mistaken, cross-border TT charges quite expensive
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You send money from your MY bank to FSM's SG Bank account. You recieve vice versa.

Bank charges (CIMB) = RM 10 per TT
Bank Charges (FSM Standard Charted bank) = SGD 12 per TT

So as long as you send high amount the % of charges will be lower... or you can choose to bank into FSM SG Bank account but need to be in SG. or use Money changer... whistling.gif
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post Sep 21 2012, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 21 2012, 01:50 PM)
Ok thanks

Me small ikan bilis...wait I got 5-6 figures investment capital 1st sweat.gif
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If you interested to open SG UT account, I would suggest you to switch all your Asia ex Japan funds to Aberdeen Pacific Equity Fund. Beats the pants off ALL Malaysian based asia ex japan funds. tongue.gif

Held it since 2007 and no regrets... smile.gif

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post Sep 21 2012, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 21 2012, 02:38 PM)
Singapore has the better global equity funds...a lot more choices than us at Bolehland sad.gif
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That's why I moved out in the first place. In 2007 you can't even find ANY global equity fund. Even now you have lots of global fund, their performance leaves a lot to be desired.... most of them perform below benchmark. This Aberdeen Pacific Equity fund beat the benchmark year after year even during the financial crisis. rclxms.gif
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post Sep 24 2012, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(jasmine2001 @ Sep 24 2012, 12:23 PM)
Average out the purchase cost by topping up.....Do you means top up the fund again by DDI without looking into its performance,and also the near future of Bric?
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Depend on your BRIC fund.. depend on the performance of the fund. Outperforming fund can top up regularly but underperforming ones, the more you top up the worse it get. Even if you decide to top up your EM funds, would you rather to top up into a good performance BRIC fund or a lousy one?

My Pacific ex Japan fund was down up to -40% in 2008, but I bought on dips and so far it has perform +50%.

So the question is, which BRIC fund are you talking about? wink.gif

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post Sep 24 2012, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(jasmine2001 @ Sep 24 2012, 12:49 PM)
AmAdvantage Bric
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Basically...

1. It is a feeder fund...marketed through HSBC malaysia
2. It invest in HSBC GIF BRIC equity...
3. It invest in equal amount is Brazil, Russia, China + India
4. HSBC GIF BRIC Equity fund has been performing below benchmark since launch in 2004
5. 5 year for HSBC GIF BRIC fund is +8.33% while bench mark is +24.70%
6. 1 year for HSBC GIF BRIC fund is - 20.78% while bench mark is -15.53%

So with the facts above, you can decide if you want to top up... tongue.gif

There is another similar fund called AmBRIC equity.. but the performance is more of less the same. tongue.gif

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post Sep 24 2012, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(jasmine2001 @ Sep 24 2012, 01:19 PM)
Thank for your reply...Can you tell me where can I find the data as above-mentioned ?
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Google is your friend...here are some links to start you off..

http://www.hsbc.com.my/1/PA_ES_Content_Mgm...e_bric_hsbc.pdf

http://www.assetmanagement.hsbc.com/uk/att...bric_equity.pdf

http://my.morningstar.com/ap/quicktake/ove...ceId=0P0000RRPS

Go whack your HSBC Premier RM for recommending this... laugh.gif


Added on September 24, 2012, 1:27 pm
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 24 2012, 01:21 PM)

What I do is, buy on dips.
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Good strategy... rclxms.gif

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post Sep 24 2012, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 24 2012, 01:27 PM)
I prefer Global Emerging Markets fund to BRIC fund.
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And I prefer AP ex. Japan... tongue.gif

Now looking at Templeton Frontier Markets Fund.. looks good. brows.gif The EM of EM...

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post Sep 24 2012, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 24 2012, 01:31 PM)
Vietnam, Laos, Africa etc hmm.gif
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Biggest holding in Nigeria. shocking.gif Anyway monitoring, looks good, in 5-10 years these market is going to be new EM if war/famine/genocide/hyperinflation does not break out. brows.gif

Africa got GDP growth of 8%-15% now... whistling.gif

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post Sep 24 2012, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 24 2012, 01:36 PM)
GEM pun dah susah for us laymen investors to research and study...FM...lagi susah...little news and transparency sweat.gif
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That's why we engage fund manager loh... especially this kind of country...

Nigeria GDP growth is very high now.. is it because of all the 'scam' money earnings?

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post Sep 24 2012, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(jasmine2001 @ Sep 24 2012, 02:53 PM)
...And what do you think about AmAsia Pacific Reit?
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Wa... must charge 'con'-sultant fees already.. hehe anyway here it goes...

1. REIT fund...ho hum...
2. 70% in reit, 30% in FD
3. CUrrent running yield is 4.5%
3. 1 year 20.13% vs benchmark 16.39%
4. 1 month 0.34% vs benchmark 2.77%


Results..

1. Still a young fund, less than 1 year performance
2. Charges 1.5% for 70% in REIT and 30% in FD - hmm.gif
3. Running yield of 4.5% (before minus 1.5% fees) - laugh.gif Kinda low ball for REIT...
4. Ever thought of purchasing your own REIT? wink.gif

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post Sep 24 2012, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(jasmine2001 @ Sep 24 2012, 05:44 PM)
oh! you are so kind, and pro.
I never notice it " + Jpn REIT index benchmark",and yield =4.5%-1.5%=3%.   shakehead.gif

So, for the AmAdvantage Bric, I can
1)top up---->so bad!
2)switch to AmAPRF---->not good.
3)redemp---->cut lost?
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Well it depends on you, and your current asset allocation and only you can see the whole picture, so you must decide for yourself. Sorry can't help you there... sad.gif

Remember to do homework the next time you purchase something other wise you might get stuck with in long term...

The low yield in the REIT fund is due to the 30% in FD... the benchmark and the fund is the same which is AP + Japan, my mistake...

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post Sep 25 2012, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(aronteh @ Sep 24 2012, 10:19 PM)
I am currently looking at Greater China UT. Still can decide on which fund is the right one. rclxub.gif
Anybody have good suggestion/experience with Greater China UT?  icon_question.gif
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For greater china, I am currently vested in First State Regional China Fund.. rclxms.gif

Annualized performance...

5 year -0.9% vs -4.8% benchmark
3 year +3.1% vs -2.2% benchmark
1 year - 4.3% vs -9.6% benchmark


Added on September 25, 2012, 10:04 am
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 24 2012, 08:47 PM)
Where u got the yield data? blink.gif

One reason I can think of is that valuation of REITs have been chased up too high by the market in search of yield in this zero interest environment. hmm.gif

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The yield data is in the factsheet comments...by the 'fun'-manager

Even though the REIT has been chased too high, you can still find some decent 6%-7% in Malaysia and Singapore. For the fund to run 4.5% yield is due to dilution from the FD, and most probably the fund manager is chasing hot REIT's (like the recent IGB REIT, yield is at 4.5% also doh.gif )

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post Sep 25 2012, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 25 2012, 11:19 AM)
Ok got it...at the factsheet.

Reasonable la...30% liquidity to take advantage of price weakness and new issues

REIT funds still ok for small investors like me who have small capital...hard to achieve adequate diversification if I buy REITs myself
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But why pay the fund manager 1.5% to manage your REIT, that is like 30% of the REIT dividend already? REIT it self is a managed fund, so you are paying a manager to manage a bunch of managers managing your investment property? rclxub.gif

If you can get RM3k, you can start to buy REIT directly already wor... and get higher yield than the fund. icon_idea.gif Why 3K? So that you do not kena your minimum charge from most brokers. wink.gif

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post Sep 25 2012, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 25 2012, 11:37 AM)
My holdings in AmAsia Pac REITs is only RM1,200 doh.gif
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So look at the layer of fees... you pay 2% to buy the Reit fund (distributor untung)...then pay the manager 1.5% to manage the fund (fund manager untung), and in the REIT holdings itself, the REIT is paying the managers 1.5%-2.0% to manage property (REIT manager untung) and also pay employees managing the REIT (holding company untung). so many fees.... rclxub.gif brows.gif

if you buy yourself, then you only pay 0.1% (broker untung), 1.5%-2.0% for REIT manager (REIT manager untung)and then to the REIT employees (holding company untung)... whistling.gif

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post Sep 25 2012, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 25 2012, 11:45 AM)
WHY U BREAK MY DREAM BUBBLE mad.gif  vmad.gif  cry.gif
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Break more bubble... tongue.gif

iShares FTSE EPRA/NAREIT Asia Property Yield Fund (IASP)

Management Fees : 0.59%
Net yield (after fees) = 3.89%


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post Sep 25 2012, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(aronteh @ Sep 25 2012, 12:30 PM)
There are still a few REIT with yield of 7% to 8% SG that worth looking into. My game plan is to lock in at a reasonable yield at 8% and top up when the price goes down to average up the yield. icon_idea.gif
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SG REIT yield used to be 15%-20% during the crisis, whoever very brave and locked at those rates is set for life. rclxms.gif I know someone now getting 100K dividend per year due to aggressive SG REIT buying and compound the dividend during the crisis 2008-2010. nod.gif

Here is his blog...


Added on September 25, 2012, 12:57 pm
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 25 2012, 12:03 PM)
But AmAsia Pac REITs have outperformed its benchmark since commencement... hmm.gif

Case of REITs valuation chased up too high? hmm.gif
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There are high yield REIT still available if you look hard enough.. and pay less fees.. icon_rolleyes.gif

AmAsia Pacific REIT has >50% in MY and SG REit and is totally different from the benchmark holdings... so it's hard to compare.

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post Sep 25 2012, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(aronteh @ Sep 25 2012, 01:05 PM)
I miss all that opportunity. doh.gif  At that time I only invest in land and properties and almost sold everything in the pass few year. Now only see my hard earn profit eaten up by inflation induce by central bank easing mad.gif  cry.gif

Now I just seat and wait for opportunity and park my fund into Bond UT earning only miserable 3.8% to 7% yield with combine IRR of about 5% cry.gif
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Don't wait too long... you never know how long you need to wait while the world passes you by... rolleyes.gif

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