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wongmunkeong
post Jun 11 2011, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(uhlaw @ Jun 11 2011, 12:43 PM)
Wow... Very good info! To be honest,I never invest in stock or fund before. As usual, I will put part of my salary as FD only. Now finding alternative to get extra pocket money.
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Maybe, for starters, it's good to focus on PLANTING SEEDS of growth, not just focusing on extra pocket money tongue.gif
Some ppl focus on extra pocket money and eats all the fruits of their growth tree, without replanting the fruits' seeds. brows.gif
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post Jun 11 2011, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(uhlaw @ Jun 11 2011, 01:40 PM)
Can elaborate further what is planting seeds of growth? Is it FD interest? LOL...
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Dont lar FD's returns = seeds only - FD has it's role in your "team of $lave$" and there are other roles too tongue.gif

IMHO, i need to have:
a. attackers / forwards (growth stocks, properties to flip, etc - makes $ via capital or price growth)
b. mid-fielders (rental properties, REITs, dividend stocks, etc. - makes income mainly, capital growth secondary)
c. defenders (bonds, FD, MM and equivalents - makes % while waiting for opportunities without much risks other than inflation risks)
d. goalie (emergency buffer, cash)

So far, i'm up to that only (other than having enough coverage & a Will + instructions on where assets are, how to get to them & how to use them to live minimally nearly forever tongue.gif)

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post Jun 12 2011, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 12 2011, 08:18 AM)
Mr. WongMunKeong, how would you classify ASW, AS1M and ASM?
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Hey MGM, cut out the Mr. will ya - else all the hot gals here will think i'm a senior citizen tongue.gif.

ASW, AS1M & ASM are govt bonds right? I'm just assuming - heheh, lots of 3 letters there laugh.gif
There U go, technically bonds.

Personally, i dont "touch" these because:
a. mainly, I dont have the donkey time to queue up, and be told "sold out"
b. far second, it smells a bit (just a bit) to me like a Ponzi scheme. Ive a strong aversion for being Maddoff-ed wub.gif

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post Jun 12 2011, 08:32 PM

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Fellow forumers, just to share a simple Excel spreadsheet here for easy calculation of your returns, in mutual funds (specific fund lar) OR any other specific investments, savings, etc.

If U need further info / clarifications on usage, please drop me a line yar - what seems "obvious" to me, may not be so to U tongue.gif
"Dozo yoroshiku onegaishimasu" (please be kind to me wub.gif )


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post Jun 13 2011, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 13 2011, 12:57 PM)
ASW, AS1M & ASM are balanced or mixed funds. Typically they invest about 60% into equity (mostly stable, dividend producing ones) and another 40% into fixed rate commercial/govt bonds.  laugh.gif
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notworthy.gif Thanks Gark for pointing me to the correct idea.

I really thought those were Gov bonds blush.gif - never touched them or investigated them much as most of my colleagues curses when coming back from queuing up to buy when launched.

Balanced funds - so des kah. MGM, balanced funds, although i dont use them, may fit into the role of a "mid-fielder" in my team of player$. tongue.gif
However, personally, i prefer to have it clear cut bond or equity, not a hybrid. That's just a choice.

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post Jun 13 2011, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(karma888 @ Jun 13 2011, 06:10 PM)
Play shares better lar - High Risk BUT.............. VERY DAMN HIGH RETURN

HAhhahhahahaha rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Bro - i beg to differ. Even mutual funds can run high or higher than most stocks - i managed to get a returns of 60%+net (i think it was about 65%) in less than a year for PFEPRF leh (2009). Not high enough?

Note - i'm not against direct stock investments yar, i'm just pointing to a statistical fact that one CAN get abnormally high returns via mutual funds, thus your statement is not entirely true.
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post Jun 13 2011, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 13 2011, 07:27 PM)
I also beg to differ...  laugh.gif

I invest in both mutual funds and direct share trading, both is equally risky and the gains are comparable as well. Just think of it this way, mutual funds are like diverse investment, where you are using a shotgun to hit a target, where you get everything including the good, the bad and the ugly. Stock investment, is more refined, like using sniper to target and get the investment return you want (but you might get an ugly one  doh.gif ).

Using unit trust investment, you need to monitor the macro economy where the funds are highly correlated to the benchmark. In direct share investment, you can be more versatile, as you may even gain when the stock market performs poorly (and also the opposite  sweat.gif ). Some UT have risk higher than shares (swaps) and some shares have lower risk than UT (REIT).  whistling.gif

Both have it's pros and cons, and none is more superior to the other. Basically I use mutual funds for fixed income investment (local and international), specific niche investment (commodities swap etc) and foreign shares (China A-class, Korea stock exchange etc.) which is not widely available for purchase.

Relying on only 1 type of investment might get you boxed in if the time is not right, but don't over own everything until your investments can't even move. Balance your investment to specific target and stick to it, don't go and buy every tom, d*** and harry investment you can find.
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Bro Gark - looks like we're both "beg-gers" with the fellow forumer's posting tongue.gif.

Yup yup, each type of vehicle (even sub-types) and approach/methodology have their own pros & cons. Apparently the fellow forumer seems to be spaming a few threads/topics with "Stocks are best" kinda thing. Must be due to the full moon's effect brows.gif
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post Jun 23 2011, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:24 PM)
Mind to recommend which mutual funds are good to invest?
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Bro Jack2 - what i invest in is based on my risk appetite + method + time horizon, which may vastly differ from yours or any other forumers here.

Do a search on my posts in this thread/topic OR the Public Mutual one - i've plonked in the funds i do with cash & epf, reasons and methodology. Sorry ar - i'm just too lazy to type the details again tongue.gif

The only thing i didnt mention is my time horizon - for those EPF, it's obvious lar, several donkey years (ie. more than 15). As for cash, it's at least 5 years for equity funds (more like forever hehe - that's how i look at the $ put in as "gone") and for bond funds, it's for 2yrs or more.

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post Jun 24 2011, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 24 2011, 02:47 PM)
hello ladies and gentlemen, wanted to ask.:

1. If the prices of fund drop, do I lose the money and do I need to keep pumping money whenever the prices of a unit trust drop?

2. Why is it money will not lose even the prices of unit trust drop?
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1. If the prices of fund drop, do I lose the money and do I need to keep pumping money whenever the prices of a unit trust drop?
+ if the NAV drops, the value of yr units drop
Thus, of course U lose $ (on paper which is as good as reality if redeemed at that point)

+No, U do not NEED to keep pumping in $ whenever the prices of a unit trus drop.
Who told U so? It's totally up to U.
Some ppl do that to do value averaging down. However, note that while they value average down, that unit trust MAY not go back up tongue.gif.
Think of it like this:
a. if that unit trust invested in Enron & WorldComm only.
b. The prices of Enron & WorldComm dropped tremendously, thus the Unit trust invested in them falls as well.
c. U average down the Unit trust and keep buying as it falls
d. The prices of Enron & WorldComm becomes $0
e. The Unit trust NAV becomes $0
f. Congratulations rclxms.gif - no cost Unit trust tongue.gif
Note: Having stated thus, i myself do periodic programmed value averaging (not just averaging down) in specific mutual funds for at least 3 years "program" per fund, based on Asset Allocation and filtered mutual funds for total returns (i want the volatility, thus focused on total returns) for 3, 5 and 10 yrs stats.


2. Why is it money will not lose even the prices of unit trust drop?
+Who said so? This universe or the next ar? Or U talking about those artificial unit trust by the Government, specially for certain segments of the rakyat?
If there is such an animal, please share the details and statistics. 0% of losing $ + unlimited % of upside = perfect, if there is such an animal brows.gif

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post Jun 24 2011, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 24 2011, 04:00 PM)
icic, so basically i invest 1k and if the unit trust price drop, i will lose few cents there. same like shares but the risk of losing money is not severe as in stock market?
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Bro Nightzstar, U can lose 40% to 70% in unit trusts / mutual funds - just like stocks leh, assuming equity funds. 2008 - equity funds fell 40%+/-. So, it's NOT a few cents if U invested $1K at 2007 end, more like $400 to $600 brows.gif

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post Jun 24 2011, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 24 2011, 04:15 PM)
fuuu, like that not differ with stock market la??
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Difference in the sense of your $1K buys U cost effectively several companies' shares lor VS U buying in the stock market $100 of this, $100 of that, etc. for $1K.

Bro, U dont know what a mutual fund / unit trust is? ie. what it is + the underlying vehicles? If so, U may want to learn THAT first instead of asking Qs which are like 2 to 3 steps ahead from "What is a mutual fund?" brows.gif

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post Jun 24 2011, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 24 2011, 07:53 PM)
i know about it just the more i learn the more i confuse lol. Ah dono if it justified the rm250 paid for exam to get licences to become utc. I think i better become investor first and learn from the bottom
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Bro, IMHO, if you're getting MORE confused as U learn at this stage, may be it's the things U THINK U are learning OR the sources... tongue.gif

Anyways, U dont need to know in-depth about investing and investment vehicles, asset allocation, methodologies, etc. to go take the exam and license to be a UTC. U can just be a Sales Agent mar as many are brows.gif

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post Jun 25 2011, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 25 2011, 07:58 PM)
but need to go for exam rite?
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The exam's sup sup water lar - 30 minutes to 45 minutes and you're out. BTW, minimum i had to stay was 30 minutes last time, even when i finished in about 10 to 15mins (with checking) tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 25 2011, 08:43 PM)
multiple choice right?
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Yup, main tembak pun dapat 20% to 25% (i cant recall A to E, or A to D tongue.gif ) probability correct. Add cow sense = 50 / 50 + read a bit more = 75 / 25 lar brows.gif
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QUOTE(transit @ Jul 2 2011, 10:48 PM)
MNet: Can share where/URL to get this type of Lipper Rating for all funds in Malaysia?
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Transit, while waiting, check this out: http://www.lipperleaders.com/

May be useful?

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post Jul 11 2011, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Jul 10 2011, 07:14 PM)
Newbie question here  blush.gif
I just wonder why there is so many fund that come from Insurance company,
and how public really invest in them?
I'm not mean to get an insurance but to invest, since we can get only 60-70% from insurance (if nothing happen to me/us)  hmm.gif
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Bro - U just answered your own Q tongue.gif

Joe public participates in these funds via their insurance OR top-ups via their insurance, channeling more $ into investments than insurance.

Other than that, dont participate in these particular funds lor - plenty of non-insurance funds around mar.

Thus, back to your Q - the reason for such a Q is? to solve what?
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QUOTE(koinibler @ Jul 11 2011, 10:49 PM)
^ @wongmunkeong

I just need a reasoning why I'm more into unit trust rather than insurance.

When I'm talking with my friend about my preference on unit trust, he has a strong believe in insurance, and he is in fact had 2 or 3 different insurance.
He somehow make me in doubt.
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Bro, just because someone else believes in something else doesnt make it correct or right. You can chose your own path based on your own logic and reasonings - we aint a herd of lemmings right?

If you're so unsure, like fellow forumer cheahcw2003 said, different vehicles lar. Insurance is for coverage, not investing - like comparing a tractor to a sports car - both have horse power / cc but used very differently.

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Jul 22 2011, 07:19 PM)
I just wondered what a company like Public Mutual and the like get when the collect money from people, invest, then give it back to people.
They minus the management cost, but what else?

Do they get profit from it? I thought they try to reduce the management cost as minimal as they can!
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Front load service charge (nearly all funds)
Back load service charge (not all funds)
Yearly management fees
Yearly trusty fees


All the above - whether make or lose $. Won't U want to do the same thing too?
And U can spread YOUR PERSONAL INVESTING / TRADING resources' costs and even transaction volume shared costs to these funds?

Did i miss anything? tongue.gif

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post Jul 22 2011, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Jul 22 2011, 08:51 PM)
anyone else investing in Amdynamic bond? Or areca equity? Imo the amdynamic bond is well performed.
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It's good but watch the back load tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mois @ Jul 22 2011, 09:09 PM)
u mean areca or amdynamic bond? what do you mean by back load?  blink.gif
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Whoops. My bad. I meant AmDynamic Bond.
Backload = U pay service charge % when U redeem / switch

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