Hi all juz a question regarding three Universities...... they are UTM, UM AND UTP. Which one is better? This is mainly because i just browsed list for the top 100 Universities in South East Asia. UTM was ranked 15, UM was ranked 19 while UTP got 91. I was wondering that UTP should be better but how come?Erm guys plz voice out your opinion!

Um near bangsar,pj,mid valley,lowyat,sg.wang etc etc..

UTP is stil new.. just nearly 10 years old. It takes time to climb up the ladder...

Locally the govt funded unis have a huge financial edge which helps the score (more money = bigger campus, facilities).
Also UTP is kinda new, takes some time to build up reputation esp on postgrad/research level.

UTP got lots chance to get Job from petronas
right if i'm wrong

UTM got a lot of research going on.
btw, it's ipta.
well established and widely known.


for UTP, it's still new.
most student go there to work with petronas after grads.

first of all, what kind of engineering are we talking about here?

for UTP, the grads mostly able to secure job with petronas after grads.

UTM also student easier to secure job. i've met final year chem engineering student. she's female btw. she not even finished her study yet. but, schlumberger and shell already called her for interview.
btw, UTM got ranking 161 from THES in their "Recruiters Review" perspective.

dunno about UM.


overall, all three university are good in engineering. just do well, and lot of offer will come. but, if you want to have higher chances to work with petronas in O&G industry, go UTP.

if i was given the choice, I'll only choose utp if i got the scholarship.

no scholarship, i'll go UTM. besides, my home at skudai. only 10-15 minutes ride to utm.

This post has been edited by destroyer: May 6 2008, 05:53 PM

mechanical engineering if i m not mistaken la....

Honestly I can tell you the standards in UM are quite bad la. 1st hand knowledge here, am taking Mech in UM . Its nothing like what one would expect from the so called best uni in Malaysia. But then again, probably the advantages are that UM is in a good location, heart of KL, as opposed to heart of Perak(UTP) and heart of Johor(UTM), no offence to either of those 2 places

HeWasOnly3!! i think u should choose utp la..better opportunities to work for petronas....

utp better than local unis, all of them.
most of them from rank 80+ something, can go to 300+ something
in the world list of university.
totally destroy our education system.

Go UTP as 1st priority.
then UTM
last UM.



This post has been edited by Stefanov: May 6 2008, 06:34 PM

webometrics SEA ranking put UTM at 15, UM at 19 and UTP at 91 out of 100. this is talking about internet content, usage and reference as well as the contribution of the scholars in the university's education system.

united SEA puts UTM at 15 while UM at 19 in the ranking by bloggers from 10 countries united. (UTP didnt make the cut)

THES 2008 ranks UM at 246 in the world, UTM at 450++ and UTP wasnt even in the list.

this should put things into better perspective. but u're talking engineering, ofcourse. better find a ranking specific for engineerings to be more precise.

This post has been edited by azarimy: May 6 2008, 06:50 PM

I support UTM coz i was from there before...
Eng course is top notch, the lecturers are all kinda experience. I was from FKKKSA, Chem ENg.

Errm I'm talking about mechanical engineering. So in terms of job prospect.... UTP is better I guess?

UTP is famous for its oil and gas industry. UTM's mechanical eng is consider good ord. U can browse UTM website for more info...

UTP UTP UTP! seriously, utp is d best!

I only know UTM's architecture is quite famous .

UTP might be better in terms of job opportunities .. but i thought UTM would be better in terms of facilities & teaching materials because it was well funded .. UM may be for science student ..

without petronas, utp is just a normal ipts. because most graduates manages to secure job with petronas, that why statistic shows most of their graduates manage to secure job within 6months after graduate.


for engineering, UTM is more well known and reputable U. I've been there many times, and I can say that the facilities is 1st class. moreover, they have you can stay in the hostel from 1st year till final year. not to mention reasonable fees.

gor UM, their engineering is not famous. they are more famous in science and medical.

seriously, if you wanna work in the O&G industry, go UTP.

if u got petronas scholarship better go to utp...
because need a lot of money to study there..
but if u using your own money for studying..
better UTM.
UTM better for engineering....
if u want to work with petronas...u can still work for them by scoring in UTM..
but why only choose petronas?how about shell and other international company?
in utm u also can get better job opportunities..

the most important, u must score man...
even if u studying in UTP,if u cannot score
u cannot got any job.

UTP and UTM are the best for engineering..
but UTM more experience in engineering...
UTM got alot of experience lecturer and 1st facilities
don't worry...

UM better in medical and science..

hi there, i am currently studying in utm nw.

for you info, according to my seniors and lecturers, utm graduates has good job opportunities after the graduation. More over, the standards of the syllabus here are great if compared to other technology universities.

I am doin mech eng too

if me, i will choose USM,

the highest ranking universiti by gov in malaysia,

one of research university (RU) in malaysia, gov put a lot of money from RMK-9 to RU

i've met final year chem eng student from UTM.

she's in her last year in UTM. she not yet sit for her final exam, but, she already got called from shell and schlumberger for interview.

if wan pursue medical course USM can la..

if wan engineering go UTM or UTP..

Wow.... thx a lot for the info guys, I really appreciate it. So the facilities in UTM is better than UTP, while UM is famous for its medical course. I understand now

without PETRONAS, there is no UTP (since the name itself is Uni Tech Petronas). just an old USM bulding left. most graduates secure jobs within PETRONAS as well as other O&G companies (those who are not bonded with PET)
you should go to UTP too when u have the time. its great here.. but the weather is a bit too hot here. facilities i can say one of the best. and you have to stay in campus throughout the years ur in UTP...

UTP no doubt is new. but then, u'll most likely be assured of a job after graduation. petronas mannnn...

i say UTM n UTP
since their facilities quite good
UM dun go la
OLD BUILDING haha
the eng fac damn small

hi.im from utp and also a petronas scholar.when i read through all of this discussion, all of you are saying that if you are pursuing your study in utp, you should not be worry about your job later on.

but for me, in utp even for the petronas scholar, our job are still not secured as you all said. we still need to score and even after we graduate there still will be an interview for the scholar to be able to get a job. if you are lucky enough then you will be sent to any of the petronas companies.for the non-scholar, after you graduate you can go wherever you want.

in term of the engineering facilities, as for me who is doing chem eng in utp, i would say the facilities here is great. it is almost the same as the real-time engineering facilities on site.maybe you are right about O&G and utp.if you are interested in O&G then it is best for you to further in utp.but believe it or not, mostly now chem eng are related to the O&G industry.

one more when you are in the final year final, there will be an inside interview in utp with many other companies beside petronas.i guess other uni also have the same process as well.

however, in the end it is you who will determine your own job later on. it doesnt matter which uni you choose but your final result is the most important of all

oh no...why utm is so good...if like this the competition for admission is gonna be very hard and gone are my chance to study there....puu

i reckon that your statistics is based on the number of Petronas Scholars who are absored into that org right after their graduation. it is a must for all petronas scholars to attend job interview after their graduation. this is where your statistics come into play because most of them are absord into petronas and its subsidiaries. others got into it and engineering field, while some of them got into grad school. utp is best known for its electrical and chemical engineering program and just about 2 years ago utp introduced petroleum engineering when not many unis in malaysia offer that program. in near future, utp will offer a program in geoscience. i'd say if you guys out there are into engineering, opt for utp or utm.

utp is beyond doubt new, entering its 10th anniversary last year. we can't compare utp with those unis that are already several decades old and most of the ranking methodology are biased to each other. no single ranking can gauge utp actual credibility and quality.

tq.

This post has been edited by buzzler: Jul 18 2008, 09:54 AM

uitm vs um
which one is good in engineering..mechanical and chemical
my aim to get job at oversea
i just can go between 2 university for degree

To TS,

Go to UTP if you get Petronas scholars. Or if you able to secure JPA or MARA scholarship. Else, it will be a big amount to study here.

UTM Mechanical? No comment. Don't have friend there.
I have friends in UM and USM mechanical, visited their lab facilities and everything.
I would say UTP stands out better in this. More comfortable environment to study as well.

UTP is pretty new as a university, of course the research capability (amount) lose the UM/UTM. Better visit those campus yourself, to have a look at the study environment, etc.

To me, UTP is pretty good in term of teaching material and facilities. Lecturers? Well every universities have their "great" lecturer and "bad" lecturers. Not all are as good as azarimy

Job opportunities? Well with 32 weeks internship you gonna go through in UTP, I believe many companies will want you after your graduation.
If you targetting oil n gas sector, studying in UTP does give you priority over other universities student (it still depend on yourself, how you bring yourself a student).

Good luck in choosing a suitable uni for yourself to further study in mechanical engineering.

I'm from UTP, Mechanical Engineering, final semester

take UM out from your list.. not a suitable Uni for engineering esp mech..

everything is up to you
go oxford also if u duwan study no use

dont blame lecturer of the uni if u not successful

dont mad at me. tq

UTP has great facilities in its academic building.
Yeah, and 'great' Internet connection too..
but still, we have LAN for DC++ and DOTA and CS and bla3

I see a lot mention that UTP is good for engineering. But is it good for engineering in GENERAL or SPECIFIC ones like Chemical only? What about Civil?

This post has been edited by joe_89: May 15 2009, 08:54 AM

UTM is the best for chemical engineering,it also known as university tendang malaysia...they are really strict about your result,if u want to enter there,dont play play...if not,u'll be kick out..

go for um de

Are you guys just talking bout chem engineering between these two uni... May I know bout the good choice for study civil engineering...
In my mind this civil is good in nottingham (malaysia) and UTM how bout UTP...

Any other good choice for future civil student either in IPTA or IPTS...

Another question is since guys here said tat if got the Petronas Scholarships will secure a place in this company later... But are this just for those who study chem engineering and interested in O&G industry... How bout the civil student in UTP can they join the company too... But wonder what kind of job will they provide...

i have selected USM , and UKM for 1st choice ...how about these 2 Unis for mechanical?

hehe,,utm is the best,,,
until now,i`m still proud for being one of utm`s student

It depends on the branch, USM Penang is good for engineering while USM Kelantan for medicine.

O&G companies need civil engineers too, as well as other engineers like mechanical and electrical.

go for UTP.

the ranking is mainly affected with research studies.. things they do for postgrads.. UTM and UM are long established Uni.. they have wide fields of research studies.. thats why their ranking go top

as for UTP.. its more mainly for job prospects.. u'll get to work for petronas.. its reputation is raising high..

heard only above average students get admitted.. and theres really no play play in studies..

USM is good in Civil Engineering.. thats what I heard from my friend.

uitm is better in mechanical engineering and got a lot of facilities not like UM. also, BEng in mechanical uitm is equal to MEng in UK according to IMECHE uk..

If you are doing engineering, your first choice should be UTM.
The reasons are:
1) Specialized university for engineering and technology field. Also for your info, In the whole of Malaysia they have the most engineering courses. Their Mechanical Eng Faculty alone has the following Engineering courses / Majors: Pure Mechanical, Aeronautical Engineering, Manufacturing Eng, Material Eng, Automotive Eng, Marine Eng., Industrial Eng.
2) University facilities are well funded (taken care of) by our Gov.
3) Lecturers all grad from overseas
4) Quality education. Those not up to mark gets kicked out before the course ends. That's why their students do get preference from most MNCs.
4) Wholesome university experience (at Skudai campus)

I was an ex-UTM Mechanical, didnt have any problems looking for a job after grad.
Anyway, do proper research before deciding. UTP is not bad too. UM as a University is good, but specifically for Engineering, there are better universities around.

UTM is probably da best...
especially if ur going for chem engineering...

I'm 2007 SPM leaver and ex-matric student.
I'm offered Petroleum engineering in UTM(1st choice).

I used to went to the educamp of UTP but I failed to get a place there.

I'm lack of mentally security now as I don't know anyone who has taken Petroleum engineering in UTM. What will I do after graduating if, let's say I've got a 1st/2nd class honour? How would be the salary pay for fresh graduate?

Thank you in advance!

I think UTM!

wow..u mtrix result must be good then....to get into petroleum

Is that hard to get into that course?

my dad is lecturer there..
they only take 3.8 n above for dat course...
i understand its toughest engineering field among all...

OMG!!!!! I must work really hard then!!!
Walao.. Stressed... especially for those lazy person like me!!

i beg to differ. i don't think PE is the toughest among all, EE should be the toughest, as according to my seniors and my observation. EE is the hardest bcos of the vigorous use of maths.

on the contrary, i think PE is the easiest engineering discipline. we learn mainly about reservoir, drilling, and production. not much like other engineering discipline.

UTP PE student here, going into 2nd year 1st semester

i've heard about EE...
i thought that PE also hv to learn things that involve math..they said thermodynamics is the hardest of all....
which i dunno...i'm nt even a eng student...juz pick up from ppl around me...
learning new things everyday...

This post has been edited by yana89: Jun 21 2009, 11:22 PM

yeala....EE toughest...my frens from PE say easy only...

waliao.. confused ady..

wat r u cnfused about...?

yea, all engineering use maths, just that EE use maths more than any other engineering. PE also learn earth science (rock structures and such), so it's not really maths all the time. hehe. and yeah thermodynamics is a killer subject

gosh..i hd my experience with thermodynamics during my pre-u...
it ws hard n that ws only intro n basics...

Hmm.. it doesn't really matter..
I just have to do my best i think..

i agree with that. in UTP the most toughest program is EE. i one of EE student there. i have seen many friends that failed paper. repeat subject n dismiss.

if u want to compare with dean's list student from EE.we are one of the lowest.mybe we compare with electrical n electronic course together.
i like electrical .some of electronic part i'm not into it much.

student that usually performed in UTP usually from CHemi . nowadays.study in utp become quite hard n strict. this sem we don't have any study weeks.

i have friends that score in their polytechnics and utm(dean's list every sem n best student) then achieve below gpa 3.00 and still not pass 3.00

Sorry to interrupt but is UTM computer faculty are better to other university in Malaysia?

its not UTM better or not , its u.

UTM provides all the facilities.

Ya... totally agree. My EE friends there are among the most dilligent friends of courses. And EE in UTP is tough because they have the best lecturers of all course, and so their expectation is also higher from students.

UTP recruit all the top students from all renowned schools. Yet, once they are there, everyone struggle. And when you think you are very good in your school, wait till you meet real genius in UTP.

I don't mean to offend anyone from UTM, but does UTM allow their student to use the facilities? Having it and allowing student to use is 2 different thing.

where did u source this info?

probably because its tough to get into UTP. good academic results and there is the three days camp to select among the shortlisted.

i lol at this
try ME

I thought the toughest engineering has always been : 1) Aeronautic/Aerospace 2) Mechanical Engineering 3) Fill all other engineering courses here.
Well this is what I was told before entering U.

um is better everything because near the town then can always go kl shopping .

Although im an Civil eng. student, i would say mechanical engineering is toughest. From my observation, it deals with alot of dynamics...its real physics put into used. Saw my roomate doing project on designing a car..it was awesome at the same time complicated (for me).

EE in UTP is tough.. Study hard.. come out OnG ppl still dont wan.

if u have your own creative and productive mind, no matter which UNI u study, you will still shine....

Genius is still genius no matter where they are~

This post has been edited by KiNo123: Feb 2 2010, 01:30 PM

utp = new + high class. near ipoh. not realy have anything. buildings are nice.lake is there.if u enjoy nature best choise is there.
utm = no idea, dun have experience
um = a bit small, jalan kicik, near town, old, high profile, guard very3 strict and also nice bukit back there.
can also kayaking if u want.

gud luck

who revive ol thread...zzz

edited

This post has been edited by Jingle_bubbles: Jul 31 2011, 11:12 PM

USM perhaps =D

need to do another interview before you can work with petronas, same as haliburton and schlumberger, not 100% get the job.

hai, i'm going to choose computer engineering in UTM. is that a good choice? i wonder computer engineering has much job prospect...

senang je nak compare..
UTP ni standard mrsm sbp
UTM ni standard sekola teknik

apepun blaja n skill 2 penting ..demi keje yg power

Pandai2 je ko...aku budak utm...utm dah jd research university.
pala otak ko sekolah teknik...

noob

Does it really matter? The question is, can you pass and get the degree?

well..nak msuk utp 9A's and above student only..
only high profile student and selected specifically ..
so terima jela hakikat..
utp 1997..so new..kalaw ikut rank mmg bribu la rank utp..
coz achievers xbyk lg..
sdarla spe yg noob..
bosanla dgr utm..x special lgsg

i heard those who scored 9a n above have to sat for an interview juz for scholarship. but if u have money, u can also enter utp. of course need to check each course requirement for what course ur taking. general speaking, if this kind of options, i will choose the best programme learning structure provided for each uni. everybody knows that 3 of this uni are great, prestige and well known and have good facilities. ipta; utm n usm kinda old timer eng. uni so no need an intro la for both uni. utp is great in term of facilities becoz petronas mmg byk duit maa..

so, here the programme structure for each uni:

utp vs utm vs usm

all the programme structure above r refer to pure mechanical for easier comparison. now let we see how each uni organizes their programme structure and we can know which uni offers great programme outcome.

utp vs utm vs usm:

sem 1: utp and utm r both kinda the same programme. utp has no lab (student dont use lab/workshop yet). utp offers intro to o&g subject which we can already know pure mechanical in utp is focus for o&g industry (everybody knows that). DE (differential eq) kinda "heavy" for those who not familiar with calculus. matrix stpm/dip students with high pointer should have no problem with it. while for utm, they offer lab 1, (student need to make experiment/report in the lab). for usm, the total credits for this sem only 14. no statics at 1st sem?? aiyakk...really slow la this uni. only 14 credits?? of course student can score high pointer maa..

sem 2: all of uni offer programming but i dont know what software that being used in utp n usm. utm use c/c++ and matlab. utp offers manufacturing process/tech in this sem + material science. aiyak utp, u really crazy ka?? 2 ni subject hafal2 tau, penin la student nanti. btw, according to my lecturer, they should teach material science 1st becoz student will have strong basic in properties of material then we can applied it to manufacturing process on how to make product from it. u need to know what kind of material u going to use 1st, then u will know what the best manufacturing process for that kind of material. thats why some uni offer material science 1st then manufacturing process. but utp also ok la, offering both in the same sem orait next, we can see utm offer dynamics + fluid 1. now that quite dangerous here. let say u fail statics (1st sem), u already missed 2 subjects in the next sem. u need to repeat statics and of course u will extend another 1year. (maybe 1 sem only if has short sem). usm kinda "fast" here and i really dont understand why the heck fluid + statics in the same sem??? if u cant understand statics, u can never understand fluid maa.. fluid 1 is all about force, pressure in fluid flow, u need to know what basic formula (in statics) so u can apply it on fluid 1

sem 3: utp offer thermo + fluid + solid in the same sem, really heavy ooo.. 4/6 subjects all about calculation, CAD of course can score A punya la. kalo CAD pun gagap, pyh ni nk jadi engineer. while utm, 4/6 subject were calculation subject, elect.tech kinda easy la, only basic formula applied. finally, usm offer lab 1 (student can go to lab make experiment and report). utp sill no use any lab la n 1st year, membazir saja utp buat byk facilities.. (plz some1 can give me confirmation about utp: 1year no use any lab or workshop ka?? need input from utp student)

enough for now, really tired la morning2 ni. nanti free aku sambung..

This post has been edited by nazril: Jul 31 2010, 08:46 AM

lol stop fighting to support your uni... be mature pls.

utp and utm are both high ranked uni actually. utp got low ranks because they view in terms of popularity, no. of scholars, etc.

hahaha...
habis ko special sangat ke?
sape banyak duit..masuk je utp..sepupu aku yang super noob pun leh amek mech kat utp...
kat utm..nak amek eng kebanyakkan 3.33 minimum..tp yang masuk semua kebanyakan 3.5 le atas masa matriks..

aku x kata utm bagus..cuma jangan samakan dengan sekolah...

This post has been edited by kabutoclockup88: Aug 1 2010, 09:03 PM

sapela spupu ko yg noob tu kn...mst ko pun 1 gen noob dgn die...
kalw ad pic spupu ko tu kn bes leh aku knl ckit...
sape yg msuk gune rsult TRIAL spm tu mmg gempak la..utm ne ad dak camni..
spupu ko private kot xdpt scholar..hahaha...

I think every IPTA has their own specilize..no matter which 1 is good as long as u make ur CGPA higher 1st..That is more important rather than jugde which 1 IPTA is the good 1.

agree with you...
i'm a UTPian myself, there are pros n cons here in UTP...
i bet others Uni also have pros n cons..
just as long as u have the DESIRE to study, you should be just fine no matter which Uni you go..

It doesn't matter which uni you got to coz it all depends on YOU. I know people who go to unraked "ciplak" colleges (no offence) still come out tops and work really well in the industry and manage to secure jobs and be successful in what they do. i know idiots (no offence again) who come out from top ranking unis and still end up jobless.

I believe that what you learn in uni is nothing compared to what you're gonna do in real life. Uni is just a transition place for you to grow and mature, a place where you learn the reality of teamwork and hardwork, a place that prepares you for the job world.

I'm just applying like 1% of the knowledge i learnt in classes in uni. i joined the workforce and i had to learn everything from scratch. but it was easy coz i've been conditioned to do this for 5 years already, learn new stuff from scratch every semester.

Btw, i'm from UTP and it is not true that all UTP students get to work with Petronas. Petronas does not hire exclusively from UTP, they're very picky about who they choose so how well you do in the interviews is very important. UTP is a bit new to the uni scene so it ranks quite far down if compared to older more established unis like UTM and UM.

I say just choose a uni you can afford or get scholarship from and follow your ambition. Be a good boy/girl, have fun and don't waste your youth, make friends, be active, work in teams, be outstanding, don't fail your exams, and get your degree. A degree is just your ticket into the working stage which is a whole new ball game altogether.

nice one!

btw, im a utpian too..

im going to utm

enjoy yourself

and make friends and talk often with your lecturers

mereka tak makan orang lah, k?

selalu saya nampak, orang yang asyik sendiri akan pergi jumpa lecturer untuk berborak and berbincang yang akan duduk kat jawatan tinggi paling laju.

UM sucks at engineering la.. they famous because of medicine and account

UM's curriculum in engineering is highly theoretical, at least during my time. They produce students that can rattle off EM wave formula or something, but lacking in practical knowledge. In engineering, practical knowledge trumps theories. That's not necessarily a bad thing though. But UM together with USM always attract the best pool of students.

I hope things have changed since I left UM. I can see Dr Ghauth is a very pragmatic and visionary leader. He works hard too.