the solution to this problem is very easy

we can re-activate the member's sales section for sellers with a certain numbers of sales thread. thus eliminating the comptetition between the smaller capacity seller.

or

we can relax on the indirect bump. i still see it is a courtesy to acknowledge a buyer even it's a simple "i've already sent you a PM" since the buyer asked the question first.

else

we can just sweep all this under the carpet and review case by case basis. whenever we spot one, then we hand down the hammer. and whenever a seller complains again "why my thread was locked while the rest doing the same thing are not", we can always use the same old statement "we have a life out there, we just can't control all of them", and "if you always complain, why aren't you the one hitting the report button". in the end, this cycle will just go on and on.

If we look back in history, the culture was nurtured due to the nature of most seller's inbox being overflowed with tonned of queries and request. Naturally when one seller has tonnes of customers to entertain, due to a number of sales, It will get full. Esp there are high demand or the pricing is good. That was before, I'm not sure on how big currently each users have been currently allocated.

IMO I think there should be like a notification news just like the small red inbox tab where by a short information pertaining to new regulation or enforcement. I would say more than 80% of users here don't bother to read all the rules or faqs even if there are updated. It may serve as a spam in the users inbox, at least, they are notified of the new regulations, Besides, they cannot give ridiculous reasons like, I didn't read about it as the title with the mail or notification has already shown beforehand

Ugh, I'd rather people not reply within a quote as I can't quote it into my post...



In addition to what viking said, the seller can also inform users of pm's being sent when posting a reply to a question asked in the thread(e.g The reason behind the slow delieveries is because I had a miscom with my supplier. @Whoever pm sent) . We have been allowing that, the reason is that there is no unecessary/unfair bumping of threads in that way.



As viking said, there should be no reason for sellers to indirect bump if their threads are already active. To say that it's because of sore losers complaining isn't exactly true. We want to be fair to all sellers, if we allow indirect bumping, why shouldn't we allow bumping all together? Then "sore losers" as you so put it can be right at the top of the first page by bot bumping. We don't want anyone to bump their threads up just because they can, we want threads at the top to be there because people want it there.



If that's the case, there should be no reason for indirect bumps all together, right? Cause it doesn't matter if their threads drop all the way back.

It actually is factual. If you look at all the complains about how mods pick on certain people, the complainers will keep saying that so and so did what and nothing is done about it... Yet when we look through the reports, noone has reported them.

We don't and have never asked users to go out looking for threads to report. What we ask of you is that if you see something you don't like, don't think should be there, or don't think is right, you click the report button.

If you report often, great. You have our(or mine atleast) thanks.

I wonder what does 'arrogant attitude' gotta do with the issue here. It's a deal between the buyer and seller. Potential customers trade with a seller not mainly depending on his attitude but credibility. What's the problem of not 'acting good' if he doesn't want to but still stick to all trade deals?

I'm still a newbie in this trade section and if Viking is closing Davis' thread of whatever indirect-bumping there is, then please do more cause I've came across more others like that in other threads as well. RBR, don't judge a person if you don't know him/her. Same goes to anyone who thinks others are arrogant just cause they do not communicate with you the way you intend them to be, right? Don't like it? Confront directly.

p/s: I do admit I'm quite -_-ll with Davis while dealing with him, but nonetheless he makes the effort to make sure a deal is alright, haha.

Arrogant attitude has alot to do with what we are doing here because this is a COMMUNITY FORUM. It means, automatically, without having to say it, that you RESPECT every forumer here. We provide the sales section as a goodwill service, we do not get anything in return for it. And free moderation. Please learn to give something back, like respect and courtesy.

there u are. u answered your own question. if that buyers are interested, they will still post in your thread "can you send me PM/ details" regardless of the thread attended or not so be it unattended or at the 10th page or even a closed thread.

This post has been edited by scotty: May 7 2008, 12:53 AM

I'll patrol around when I'm free, we'll be thankful if some of you guys could give us a hand by hitting the REPORT button whenever you guys come across things like this.

I already expecting this thread is drifting out of no where but picking the wrong from the past?

So can some one in authority power to answer this?
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=588872&hl=

Those who sitting on fence please do not afraid to give comment since this is community forum as highlighted, you are doing for your own good if you dare to voice out.

*Got member told me there are posting removed in this thread which sounds unfavourable to the power gripper, sorry I can't see that.

Thank you for your support.

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Added on May 7, 2008, 4:09 amhoongji,
That is one of the point in here.
We don't reply customer officially in the thread and they are complaining we are RUDE!!!! without giving official reply.

I have learned that I can't fit myself to play the rules of every one, I just be myself and doing my own good. Have any one notice I got put out one comment on each thread that I will starting to reply customer posting in that thread? I got complaint because I don't reply there and that is why I am RUDE!!!!

It is hard to please any one if you taken further steps to entertaint them like asking them to call up or meet up to have a look by themselves but none of them dare to call or meet up. So...? I am RUDE!!!! again.

Waiting answer for my #1 posting but some how what we have here is swaying away from answering but picking the left over bones.

This post has been edited by DAViS: May 7 2008, 04:09 AM

"Some various photo shots. " nice tactics. I should learn those.

This post has been edited by N's: May 7 2008, 04:12 AM

People doing things without hidden motive, so you have a motive doing that?
What is various photoshots?

Do you know that each posting only can contain 10 img link?
Do you know that once you have edited posting when the deal got stale customer would blame you changing the T&C?
Do you know that hosting up the photo in the posting while the photo need to upload and remove took a lot of time especially the anti spam kicks in?

ok, atleast u can explain the difficulties you're having cheers, if not the moderator dono 1. . Time to sleep.

This post has been edited by N's: May 7 2008, 04:18 AM

Quick history lecture.

In the bad old days, people would bump by typing "bump!". This resulted in 10000s of posts in the database containing just "bump" (back when the DB only contained about 1mil posts, not the 6mil it has today). Not to mention, conversations between buyer and seller get sandwiched between the pages of bumps.

Then, a bump button was implemented. In addition to making the topics look cleaner, the bump button also ensures for fairness that a topic is bumpable only once a day. I started cracking down on so-called "manual bumps" (which is posting the word "bump") to ensure that the bump button gets adopted.

Shortly after, some traders started getting creative. To bump up their topics and avoid the once-per-day limit, they started making useless posts (that don't have the word "bump") with intention to bump. This so-called "indirect bumping" was trickier to define, but generally if we see intention to game the system, we act on it.

OK, I have changed some things around Trade Zone. The bump time is taken from the first bump/reply made in the day (counting from 12AM). This means that as many times a topic is replied, it only gets one chance per day to go to the first page.

This should remove any gains from "indirect bumping", should free the mods to do more important stuff, and best of all remove any confusion about indirect bumping.

Please start a new topic if you have any feedback about this new change.

so for such post like "u got pm", "pm sent", "items sent", "payment received", etc still have to avoid save some server resources after implemented the wKkaY's new "bump for once" feature?

Good! All the while it can tweak that way.

Now we already have the same mechanism as long as you do not tick "Do not combine" when replying all those posting would merging together with the fore reply but contain in the same posting iD.

It's already there, work the same way. Now my question is, it is already work the same way then why I have to received the punishment for "excessive bump" in a rude way by just locked or even removed (where is my another two thread?) ? More so on the thread example that I have given (but nobody dare to reply me?).

You broke the rule before wkkay implement the new feature. Now you're allowed to reopen your thread, it's already a good thing for you. So, what's the problem now?

You haven't give me an answer as well. If this thread is because of excessive bump, why you relate this with your safe trader's tag and dig up my history 2 years ago? Oh yeah, you mentioned that you're giving up your tag, right? Why is it still there?

Ok thats enough.

A new thread may be opened to debate the tweaks to the bump button.