I don't see a need to post in your sales topic informing the potential buyer that a PM is sent to his/her inbox (based on the time stamp it's the same day).

If you have additional information, just update it in the first post of your sales thread and inform buyer via PM to check the first post for more info.

As a safe trader, you should know the following :

Example of legit bumps.
Example of indirect bumps.
And, is this a chat thread? These conversation can be done in PM.

Davis, you're not special enough for us to 'assign' someone to monitor your threads and I can assure you we do not accord you that privilege. Neither do we accord you the privilege of courtesy PMs before we take action because we don't do that to anyone. Our policy here has always been for moderators to act first, then review only on appeal.

Regardless of your 'honesty', there have been many complaints about your arrogant attitude. Being polite and courteous is a trait you obviously lack so it would be great if you could work on that. That said, constructive comments about moderator actions are always welcomed. It just appears you are too full of yourself in thinking its all about you when it isn't.

RBR,

Do remember arrogant attitude towards a personnel whom act like a king at the first place or choose to put their words in to my mouth. So many complaints but in the end what is the outcome? You said is no longer an issue and complainted thread closed, sales and business continue as normal. In the end some one would it is part of the business and we should live on it. I live on that situations and I don't find why should go further to please some one whom I wish not to deal futher with that kind of attitude.
Do you have any say on the record that I proven before? If not please do not bring in other non-related issue in here. We look at the issue case by case.

As many said no matter how many good things you have done, you will be wrong if there is an excused towards me. So I have to live with it if is rude and wrong. I always welcome the complain to be raise in the forum so that we can have a discussion on that matter and how to solve it. I don't it is wrong instead I encourage those dislike me to go ahead make it as case study.

To suiteng,
Don't worry, I don't find that in future I should reply in sales thread because I can find a real words to put off as peoples are micromanaging it and so call indirect bump!
Anyway if you like the tag, I can give to you for free since you have applied it for 100 times. hehe.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...3&#entry7936303

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Added on May 6, 2008, 10:16 amNow we have se7en warned people in here do not reply non constructive stuff which is running in grey area, many would choose to keep silence because they know what will step on for the next step in the grass field full of mines.

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Added on May 6, 2008, 10:19 amSome said rules can't be bent but I said before the rules bent I got a 10% warning from some one which I can't remember because my signature is too big (even smaller like present one). Later on I got mentioned some one signature far far bigger than mine but he is a mod but nothing happend but silence? Don't worry I won't pursuit my complaint because from what I see is once the issue raised and seems no issue to some people then we can let it go with a matter of fact a nod of head and and forget it.

This post has been edited by DAViS: May 6 2008, 10:19 AM

What does this safe trader thing to do with your indirect bump case? That application was how many years ago and refer to my sig, I'm retiring from trade zone.

Since you're talking about safe trader's tag, well se7en & RBR, you heard him. He said he doesn't want the Safe Trader's tag.

Did you take action and click on the REPORT button? You can report anyone, regardless they are mods or admins or staff or whatever. If you didn't click that button, then there's no issue here.

This post has been edited by suiteng: May 6 2008, 01:59 PM

Sound Like Indirect " Threaten "

If You Quiet , I Will Seldom Look Into Your Threads..

Since You Posted Here, I Will Often Look Into Your Threads.. ( Special Care For You )

fruitie , Your Comment Let Me Felt

I Choose To Silent From The Thread Started, But I Read This I Must Sound Something..
I Bet I Will Be The Next Special Care ThreadStarter Since I Posted Here..

But I Still Wanna Point It Out... I Don't Care..
I Hope Everybody Will Be Treated Fair Enough..

Well thank you for your thought, I see that you like to drift in this sort of manner in the uncomfortable section of others by reading through your others comment. Others people like to do that but I am not, no time for this.

Sorry, not interesting to keh poh chi others but I would telling them in the face.
I hope that others won't simply click report on me either.

I will reply soon to the comment which is related to my initial intention. "Chit chat" better to be done in PM or my MSN.

Agree With That.. Better Solution To Solve Those Matter...

Not Siding Any Side, If MODs Already Reminded You Via PM About The Matter ( Maybe More Than 1Time ), And You Still The Same..

Then You Deserved For A Warn Or Force Close. Nothing To Be Blame..

I see reason why the mod remove your posting.I checked the Levi's TIme Collection thread and already counted you posting "You got mail" for 12 times and thats only for 4 pages.


That is indirect bump.The mod has done his job so case closed

I see nothing wrong with that post. The reason Davis posted here is to get attention from forumers and welcome their comments, right? Now he obtained another TE's attention, he should be happy because other than viking, another TE will be looking at his thread and will be judging whether he did or did not break the rule.

That's what I noticed too, and I just quoted some examples in my previous post.

Your initial intention is strayed when you talked about safe trader and start digging up my history 2 years ago. I though you have no time for this?

In my previous post - I'm just highlighting those post which is legit, which is not, and which is not needed. Does this have to do with my safe trader application which was 2 years ago?

A safe trader's tag is offered to someone who appreciate it. Since you offered, does that mean you don't mind if your tag is revoked?

This post has been edited by suiteng: May 6 2008, 02:01 PM

wow, same case as mine where i offered my safe trader tag to be revoked.. lets see how mod handle this case

I got 1 question need to ask.

Why must 1 post PM sent, who he want to inform?
The receiver should know what???? Cant he see the red bar ontop?

That's the point, they don't have to. People do it to bump their threads up.

Yep well said.The mods has done their jobs and the action taken is justified as you can see for yourself in your own thread you posted "You Got Mail" for 12 times spanning 4 pages out of 5 pages.

That is indirect bump bump bump.Its not fair for the others cause your thread keep get bumped up and not giving any chance for the other sellers thread to be seen by buyers.

You are not the only seller here so please cut some slack and let the other do their business too

many buyers will tend to ask their questions directly in the thread. things like pls pm me the price or bank in details. yeah, i know the seller can just PM all of them and then keep quiet. but imagine if 20 ppl ask that question and the seller is not allowed to post any reply due to indirect bump rule. what will that thread look like? the next potential buyers will think the seller is missing. it is a courtesy to reply them. same goes to our daily conversations. if ppl ask you something, do you reply to everyone of them? or do you keep quiet and wait for 20 ppl to ask you questions first, then only you reply them one shot?

if the mods are still adamant on the indirect bump rule, then i suggest the forum just ban everyone from asking questions in the thread. let the seller post one msg, then lock up the thread. the rest of the sales can be done thru PM rite? and also the mods better spend their precious time from now onwards and start closing all the threads. almost all threads in the sales section are in violation of this.

Asking a question is fine, posting replies to questions is fine, asking for details in a pm is fine, telling someone UGPM is not. Why? It's useless and unecessary. If the guy get's a pm the forum informs him of it.

Look at it this way, if you were selling something and your thread was permanently stuck in the 10th page because people spam ugpm or some other unecessary post like Happy new year, happy wednesday or w/e everytime he wants to, would you be happy? No.

Also, if you see something you think is in violation of the rules, report it. I find it strange that people keep saying they see such and such is breaking the rules but fail to report it.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: May 6 2008, 07:55 PM

what if the seller ask someone to keep bumping the thread ? with different ip?

guilty?

I'm not sure, I don't handle trade zone stuff, but I'd guess so. If you think someone is doing that, report it and we'll look into it.

as i know,it's easy to fake a bump using the method mentioned by me at the above.

But, i suggest that a trade enforcer is on a volunteer basis and not selling any stuff in lyn. This will make trade enforcer clean and fair.

Any nominee?

We have our own way to investigate on indirect bump via dup or 3rd party.

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Added on May 6, 2008, 9:49 pm

Alternatively, the seller could just update the first post in the thread saying that all PMs are replied e.g. ALL PM on May 6 Replied. There's no need to post a new post to tell them UGPM.



The reason for us to implement this is to eliminate this unfair situation to happen. We want this place to be fair for all. Like what you said, if the thread is popular, it'll get bumped more whenever people posts in that thread, thus there's no reason for the TS to reply UGPM to earn another bump again. It's just redundant

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Added on May 6, 2008, 9:51 pmNot everyone can understand simple things like that. Some need to be slapped a few times before they can finally understand about indirect bump.

This post has been edited by vikingw2k: May 6 2008, 09:57 PM