From the beginning....lol...At least We learned...

Well, i do smells MLM/Scams from the way the protector of this scheme replies.

It really does sounds Lampe Berge or any other stuffs...
There are questions, why can't you just provide the answer if you want people to be confident in this scheme?
Instead, you said, 'call up XXX' or 'come our office la' or 'do ur own research la'

Hmm, you are here to promote a legitimate investment, you don't answer people that way. You are here to promote a scam, you need to drag people to your office to be brainwashed. And that is almost always the truth.

The questions, real photo? Unit numbers? Those ain't hard right? Not like it is a super duper difficult maths question where even Harvard Grad can't answer

That is only the Sunway Pyramid units. What about the Times Square, Mid-Valley and Genting ones you mentioned since May 1st ?
My friend close to Times Square told me Steven Corner has NO rental with them DEFINITELY. I wonder why the lie from your Company in the first place. And I still doubt if there is any in Genting or Mid-Valley.

And the fact that Sunway Pyramid unit has not opened yet since you mentioned them as early as My 1st with drawings done all seems suspiciously.

One thing is SURE. And that is the Steven Corner is not so honest, they sell the dream first and collect members money to start those cafes. Since response have been not so encouraging, everything slowed or not in effect.even

I still remember the Steven Corner case with the Bandar Raya. When they are not allowed to place their seats along the main road anymore, they reported that the Bandar Raya has been collecting "too much kopi money" from them in the past in order to allow them to use the road. It was such a big issue. Since their business dropped, they come out with this MLM idea with some Chinese. Lets see when will the Bank Negara and Securities Commission Dept go after them.

Oh..... snakes are always snakes. They bite with poison.

lol...no thx dude.....i dined at steven as well...at least it's a better place than BRj....which standard has drop like XXXXX...suan le bah...  anyway....eh.....i found a topic in Kopitiam....No offence...Not posted by me...but it is somehow related to this topic.... well...the link is here...

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/615194
well...interesting yea?

You really know how to twist and turn. You are the one who claimed Times Square, Mid-Valley and Genting since May 1st and you ask me whether I asked them ?? Oh yea, under NEGOTIOTIONS, then. Then say so in your earlier post.

Now you are pretending to misunderstood me ? Your RM1.3 Million is based on those 400+ innocent ppl who paid RM3,000 each. I refer to those real customers who went there in eat and drink. I go to Pandan Indah often. Since Bandar Raya don't allow them to place the seats outside, their business is no longer like before. According to my friend, their business dropped terribly and when they see Island Red Cafe used recruitment scheme of RM6,000 and worked they came out with the idea of RM3,000.

Very soon, they will have no genuine customers when people know that they are running such a scheme. So only left with people there to spend their vouchers and prepaid RM3,000. I will not want to be seen there and misunderstood as one of those involved. Don't tarnish my image.

Wow, you really talk like those MLM SCAMMER;

a) When someone smell scam, you said "time will tell all...". In other words, only believe in a scam when they closed shop or run away ? If everyone think like you, more victims will fall into scam la.

b) "eat and get paid" ?? It's "prepaid and eat". Change history, true.  Why will anyone be so stupid to pay RM3,000 in advance and eat later ?

The way you write showed you are not so honest.

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Added on June 21, 2008, 11:57 am
Again, you twist and turn or lied. When did I rely on my friend to to mention Steven Corner's business drop ?
I mentioned I saw it in Pandan Indah personally. Anyone who been their customer more than I year ago know that their business now is  no longer the same. Previously, they have another 2 rows of tables all along the road right up 3 rows of shops. Now no more.

I mentioned my friend told me about Times Square only. Oh yea, you mention Times Square under negotiation huh ?
That is EXACTLY how Sunshine Empire and all other scam projects reply when they are exposed.

Later you tell us your Company negotiating to take over the management of all restaurants in Sunway Resort, Genting, Hilton, Westin & LeMeridian too and all your members can eat there for 75% discount and you expect us to believe you, ya ?

Wake up and be honest !!

Money Games Again !!!

my uncle's simple mamak shop in tanjung malim has an average turnover of rm4,xxx per day,
teven corner in kl should easily generated 3 or 4 time more than that ...

Eh...i think money games means strategy of finance management introduced or used by a corporate organisation .

Are you pretending not to know what is money game or scam ? My earlier posts here have enough info aledi. I just started a thread in Kopitiam. you may check out for info there.

This thread is getting no where but round circle, can we close this one?

nah...chatwarrior is juz sharing his opinion...in a philosophical way...no one is right and no one is wrong...thus no one should be entitled busy body if  they shared.  

No, we should not close it. Good to let more people know about scams and money games. I think Malaysians become victims to such scams easily because they are not thought how to SMELL them.

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Added on June 23, 2008, 12:12 am

Not everyone is like you.

no need to get too paranoid about it, among all i think steven project has the lowest risk,
unlike the rest of scams you mentioned above, worst come to worst even if the project fails
steven corner will still be around and you'll still get to meet the owner and sort it out with him. 

sorry...erm...lower risk from the point of view of which party??? The Steven's group or investors???

Now, be honest in your messages. Is 5% all ? What about the MLM bonues that need to be paid to all the people on top of the pyramid ?

As I mentioned earlier, using advertisments and lawyers' agreement don't prove anything. It only makes one SMELL of scam better. A genuine business don't use projects "under negotiations" to lure people in.

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Added on June 24, 2008, 4:22 pm

SillyCon mentioned legal documents already signed. So you can never get to sue them. They are smarter than you.
Just like all the Sunshine Empire victims cannot do anything.

Siliconwiper, to be fair, we are not talking about RM 3,000 here. We are talking about RM 60,000,000.00 here from their targetted 20,000 members..

I only meant to correct your above statement and am not suggesting that it is definately a scam without any concrete prove. But I will do my part to check on that.

Not only that. If you check through all his posts from the beginning and all those defenses he put up, not so honest.
Of course, his last being most ridiculous. Think others are 3 yrs old kid. Anyway, their target market are those simple-minded people, that is why people got conned.

The design so so only. Do not use swan/tulip chair. Look like but not nice to seat on it. The floor tiles doesn't blend with the timber floor. The green ceiling look awful. The green backdrop doesn't blend with the earthy tone. Too much theme on 1 design. Could do something better to the ceiling design instead of plain squarish. The timber cladding for the external not suitable for the climate in KL unless specified custome made material via metal.

So far it does appear that they are not licensed to do so....

But having to provide return from the RM 3000 would be deems as a form of investment, won't it? At least this is the impression I got from you all these while. I am not sure the others...

From the start till now, I have never used the word "scam" because I can't confirm that.  My objective is never to prove you wrong or to prove anyone here right, I am merely interested to make sure the members and the potential members' welfare is protected.

Steven's corner isn't a small mamak stall, n from my understanding, i can always c oug,genting klang, n pandan jaya SC have lots of customers! in any logical mind and common sense, it tells me they don't need to collect money from me to start other branch! if they dnt hv the kind of money to expand, dont expand! simple logic! either there is some1 using Steven's Corner's name to create SCAM or Steven's Corner really out of their mind

You have a point. But right now, everyone involved knew it's Steven Corner.
There are possibilities that when a SCAM is over, everyone can deny and claim someone lese is using their name.

This has happened before. A few years ago, www.bighoohaa.com used MLM method and claimed to be owned by Berjaya went off with a lot of money. After nearly 1 year, all the people involved claimed the Company behind it ran away and when someone called up Berjaya Group, they said they never heard or know anything. The irony is during the time that website was in operation collecting monies, their website had nearly all of Berjaya's subsidiaries mentioned and that website could stay throughout the scam period for nearly one year.

So in the case od Steven's Corner, as it is using a pyramid system, lets say if everyone in Malaysia joined in and if there is no more new members to join, the operators scan just go off or just close off the old mamak stall and the new one Steven's Tea Graden can claim they are not the one operating the MLM membership, or vice-versa.

There are many ways that a Company can cheap, in different names.

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Added on June 27, 2008, 10:49 pm
Exactly. The operators can give the explaination that they are not collecting money for "investment" but collecting money for "prepaid to eat". No it's definitely legal.
The suspicious factor is not on the "reason" or "excuse" for the money collected but how the "method" the money is collected. Our promoter SilliCon here never mentioned on the recuitment part which they are using the MLM system, I wonder why ? He probablky know that by admitting to MLM or pyramid scheme, we can SMELL scams better.

So one should ask whether they have a direct-selling license to operate such a scheme. Anyway, even if they have a license(which is easily bought from another Company for around RM70K to RM100K), it couyld still be a scam.

It has been the same for all pyramid scams in the past. The SC will always reply that such schemes have nothing to do with them.

I wonder if SilliCon can give details of the commissons pay scheme here to shair with us ?

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Added on June 27, 2008, 10:53 pm
Take note. There are at least 3 different Stevens Corner Sdn Bhd here. Let's say one or 2 go bust, bankrupt or caught, the others Company will not be affected, just transfer all the funds and can still continue running business.

i wont put any money in any scheme AT ALL that was created by bunch of ex-boss of mlm aka scam such as e-barrel.....

fortunately they won't able to scam any of lowyat members 

WHY WOULD ANY LEGITIMATE COMPANY DO THAT?!!

wow.. congrate if u are one of them..
i working with sunway, ya..i saw them under the tenant list already.
good sourcing of money with this way..
cant believe it involve lowyat-ian..
anyway... keep going ya

Since SC's is not a investment scheme (based on SC reply), so there is no issue join or not join, as those money from individual public is not investing in SC as one doesn't become shareholders or whatsoever based on the letter reply on SC, so if the SC's scheme is legitimate, the RM3000 is just a prepaid which they give extra bonus in their prepaid scheme.

Above statement is based on interpretation from information gathered by forumers. Not based on opinion.

I have not comment on the SC issue until it is clear.

This is definitely a MLM scheme. Silicon has also used other nickname, chrissolution to do recruitment in another forum PJ net. Sililcon will not admit that this is MLM for 3 reasons:

a) MLM promotion is not allowed here,

b) Steven Corners, at this moment do not have a direct-sale license, so they will not admit it's MLM. But they have appointed some people to bargain around for a MLM Company at the cheapest price possible. Once achieved, they can do this business more openly,

c) Admitting that it is MLM will turn-off many people, so they rather not admit it.(although sonner or later, they must get a MLM license in order to make their business more legal-appearing.)

Right ? Silicon ? If you don't get any benefits, will anyone like you want to promote for them ? Unless you are representing the Stevens Corner.

To those who don't believe, just walk right in to Stevens Corner and ask around, someone will be most willing to occupied there. More than 50% of their tables are occupied by their members-customers every night, trying to prey on their new victims.

Or you may also google, I already found a site with someone clearly stating the whole MLM scheme.

Steven Corners boss is NOT a ex-MLMers but they got involved with some ex-MLMers to do this new scheme after they saw the nearby Island Red Cafe did well.

It will not make any difference whether a scam is own by any ex-Conman, ex-MLMers or not. Any scammer or conman have their FIRST job. After that, they will be EX.

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Added on June 29, 2008, 4:05 pmI wish to add that telling people that Steven Corners have been listed as a tenant in Sunway Pyramid do NOT mean much and also do not mean that it is a safe, honest or genuine business.

The lot and money spent in Sunway pryamid is NOTHING much compared to what Sunshine Empire spent and occupied in Jalan Yap Kwan Seng.

It is the ways and methods that this Steven Corners and someone active here promoting it that showed this whole scheme is SUSPICIOUS and I will call it a scam !!

Google and read more about MLM pyramid schemes and ponzi schemes.

thanks for telling us dude. appreciate it.