i have a draenei shaman but i cant decide which type to choose for PVP. so which one would u suggest and why?

thanks in advance for the advises =)

Most prolly u've not been to shaman threads...
people complain shamans being the most broken class and not viable for PVP all the time. There are a handful of top PVP ENH shamans out there, but you gotta work extra harder to be equally better than if u were to use another class. But if u want my opinion, i say ele > enh.

btw, my shaman is ENH.

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 18 2008, 10:54 AM

Just try both and see which one you like.

There's enough dailies now that you can earn gold so easily.

Ele is kinda painful to play if the opposite team is melee heavy.
Ele anti push back mechanics sucks and they already nerfed 4 set bonus of the PVP set. (70% antipushback to 50%)

Ok, my toon is an ele shaman, for me i'll say go for ench(*instant ghost wolf FTW). if u love to killing in bg, go for elem, they do very deadly dmg(if u have geared), but u sucks in 1on1 or a close battle.n those class with pets is very annoying for elem spec, because u losing casting time! u also GG if they silence/mana burn u.

For pve elem is not a good choice, they deal tons of threats! i prefer ench for pve.

ench sham + elem sham can be a very good partner. stormstrike burst dmg for elem sham. i did 5.8k crit dmg with chain lightning on an epic warrior when he was under stormstrike condition.

What do mean by ele deal tons of threat?
Range aggro has higher threshold. Ele spec's lightning overload talents GIVES NO THREAT in 2.4.

A geared PVE ele shaman with Lightning capacitor (which benefits from shaman talent) is like motherf***ing BM hunter with rapid fire except that it shoots lightnings instead of bullets/arrow.

Enchancement!

with the right gear they can throw out crazeEeee DPS

Edit: haven't played the class but the DPS meter shows that they're dishing out crazeEee DPS (in raids)

This post has been edited by tunasandwich: Apr 21 2008, 10:43 PM

Meleers are less wanted in situations like maiden and Grull's....
maybe that's why there are so many freaking hunters around.

you're retarded if you think melee is handicapped in maiden fight.

So eating holy ground constantly would be better than staying by the sideline shooting?
You're certainly not making your healer's job easier.... plus with ranged dps, everyone is
spread out between pillars. With melee dps, you're gonna eat holy ground every 3 secs and
get chained Holy Wrath if there's a few of u + tank !!

Repentance is a minor inconvenience for ranged dps, just run in to aoe
range to remove the stun.

errr king...dude....maiden is a piece of crap i run my friends trough kara for gearing up their alts....and no mele dps ever die from my runs not even the huntrads pets....so i dont really think its relevent if you think mele are bad choices for maiden fights. then would you say range is crap for VR fights?

Don't know.... Never done loot reaver before.
But as far as i know, there are no drawbacks being huntards (ranged dps).
Melees? Yes... people will choose not to bring you to raids bcos of certain boss.

And your statement is irrelevant. So many things you conveniently choose not to factor in. Just bcos u didn't die, doesn't mean it's irrelevant. You could have uber healers, uber gears, uber experience, among other things.

I already explained why it's better to be ranged than melee by theory, so the only way you can prove otherwise is by telling me my strat is flawed... not by saying " i didn't die" Or "i tanked maiden as a shaman" etc...

back to the topic, OP wants to dish out the most dps in a short amount of time.
This by default already points towards ELE.

ELE = high burst damage and also higher down time.
But if OP is in a group where they can sustain his mana needs, then i really think he should be ele.

Like i said, i've not met any boss that punishes you for being ranged.
So ranged is always good.

Here's my realm

Huntards are hands down the preffered choice.

Here's YOUR realm

Not as obvious as mine, but huntards still came as the winner even in PVP.

There are no drawbacks to being ranged = proven.

ANY healer that isnt in green/blues (in the age of welfare epix that you can easily get and not to mention said welfare being t6 quality items be it from arena or the new pve tailored badge loots) is MORE THAN ENOUGH to deal with holy ground dmg with JUST ONE GCD or a short casting aoe based heal. Excluding paladins which are mainly single heal oriented (and thats not to say they cant toss a quick flash for 2-3k or an instant holy shock on a melee),
p- POM/renews/PWS
s- chain heal, or if their +heals are high enough, heal stream totem would even do the job
d- imbablooms

and holy wrath you say? seriously, who in the right mind would even bring more than 3 melees EXCLUDING tank into a 10man kara raid? (exclude the geared elites too mind you) if your positioning isnt retarded like everyone humping maiden's legs, tank and melee dps will NEVER CHAIN HOLY WRATH EVER. maiden is a fat b**** and thats enough distance to not chain h.wrath. and anything under 3 chains is VERY healable. of course, thats considering your not a green/blue noobtard.

ranged running in and out of aoe to break repentance? you dumb? the every few seconds you spend running your losing an assload of dps (even hunters, they dont insta auto shots) and thats more than enough set back for melee to rape range dps all the time on maiden.

you should seriously consider quitin the game or something to save everyone's time. or maybe killin yourself to save us all some oxygen you wastefully consume.

You're saying the same thing jas said... "you didn't die".
It's only bcos maiden is an easy boss. Increase the damage for all her attacks and
i wonder if you can still say the same thing.

oh, running in wastes time according to the smart one.
Stunning there for 12 secs would be the better option.

lulz

the penis you entered was too short.

And WTF are you crapping about?
Gearing S3/T6 equivalent only to fight puny maiden.
That's like saying level 70 killing Herod (in SM-ARM).
LOOK AT ME, I CAN FIGHT THRU HIS WHIRLWIND, WHO SAID I NEED TO MOVE AWAY ???

and melees standing still not moving an inch for maximum pure dps ownage taking trivial dmg isnt a better option huh?
seriously though, whats the point of hypotetically claiming that if blizz increase maiden's dmg would the melees have the same ezmode dps rape? will blizz do it? even if they did, tier 3 level raiding gear > tier 1 trivial outdated content. so whats your point besides being captain obvious-ly-stupid

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Added on April 22, 2008, 5:50 pmyour really not that smart are you?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 22 2008, 05:50 PM

bcos that's what u're saying... T6 looking for pre T4 gears

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Added on April 22, 2008, 5:56 pmsrsly... 3 meleers (based on ur example) and a tank...
not enough to chain? Maiden must be as big as the room.

You argue for the sake of arguing.

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 22 2008, 05:57 PM

Holy ground give crap damage lar. Easy to heal thru.
With range dps running in and out when hit by repentence losing a lot of dps which cause the fight to go longer than needed. hence healer need to heal more since the fight is longer. no?

Healing and Dispelling Holy Fire is more critical in maiden fight.

Lol kara, serious business.

King83, Maiden got nerf very hard lah. About 2 patches ago.

She doesn't hit as hard anymore.

You just need better healers.

That! Or bring a resto shammy LOL.

Also, King, just because a server's population has higher range classes doesnt mean anything. When you take server-wide into consideration, you're looking at a bigger pool of retards, farmers, bots, casual players (who generally dont know shit).

it sure is, 22 badges man. f***ing serious business.

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Added on April 22, 2008, 10:04 pmare you being subtle?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 22 2008, 10:04 PM

Lol maiden... do you even need strats for her now?

my tank tanked her as arms/fury lol

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Added on April 23, 2008, 7:51 amYea range are crap for VR fights lol, but u need range to cc the trash mobs and heal. Hmm last time when i did aran (b4 welfare epics) we used to swap out our prot warrior for 1 dps in order to kill him b4 he went oom.

This post has been edited by orangbulu: Apr 23 2008, 07:51 AM

Your prot warrior need leet DPS offspec gear!

id keep the prot for sunder bot/bshout. cuz dps warrs (or other dps) wouldnt even bother buffin (or like rogues, have any buffs)

aran's a real awesome melee/physical oriented fight too, weak as hell on armor, no aggro threshold unless ur dumb enough to cc all 3 of his spells.

only bosses that sucks for melee is prolly prince, and *kinda* nightbane for a bit, when he flies, faggot casters/range just pew pew and melee sit there and cry. (spam ranging reminds me of shazzrah and its so not kewl, then again i took the effort to gear up 200+ arcane res and swore to never range shazz again )

ummm AH blueimba beams on netherspite zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

green beam ftw..

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Added on April 23, 2008, 10:06 amour prot war during our kara early days outdpsed all our range dpsers on aran...

This post has been edited by mainFrame: Apr 23 2008, 10:06 AM

hey hey i do that all the time haha tired laa waiting for stun to finish

and a geared ele shammy rocks in bgs. i dont want to be anywhere near em!

So people in T6 gear are laughing at people with pre kara gear and wipe at Maiden? No one ever remembered downing Maiden is a great achievement anymore?

Now noob grp can down Maiden I agree, but without UBER pvp gear (t6 quality with less damage/heal but more stam) do you think a 6k health meleer (without t4 or pvp gear) is a good choice to attempt Maiden?

erm, u dont need t4s or pvp gear to attempt maiden as a melee dps...
a grp with decent pre kara gears are fine enuff to down her on the first outing..

I've healed Maiden while still in Shadow spec many times. She has been nerf so much.

The problem with Kara is that it's the first raid instance for a lot of people who haven't raided before. I ran with a group of people who never raided before and they were making a lot of mistakes. Mostly raid beginner mistakes e.g. kill order, spell rotation/priority, healing rotation/priority. Once they've gotten that down to pat, Kara raids are goyang-kaki.

Kara is not the problem. It's the players having to do more homework and understand their class better.

After awhile talking to myremi, i realized she's the type that likes to say ppl don't understand their class no matter what.
If anything goes wrong, it's always bcos they don't understand their class or they don't read enough (her 2nd most overused quote).

You have to know, sometimes it's strat... it's easier to put it down in pen and paper, but executing the strategy is a whole new
ball game. Mindlessly going spartan on bosses just bcos you're overgeared is not a strat.

are you going down to king83's level? i hope not.

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Added on April 23, 2008, 11:19 amso, its a whole new ball game to stand still on a fight pressing 2-5 buttons? (since we're on the subject of maiden here)

seriously now, just stop breathing.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 23 2008, 11:19 AM

oh and u're so UBER ELITE cos u're all decked in welfare epics.

yeah on good crits and cooldowns, even my full s3 ass can be downed under 5 seconds. scary shits for sure.

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Added on April 23, 2008, 11:22 amsince its welfare you can be decked in full welfare epix too, so why cry about it?

oh wait, why didnt i remember, you're too stupid to even get welfare epix. dang.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 23 2008, 11:22 AM

It's 2 - 5 buttons to you becos u're not the one having incovenience.
I said inconvenience was to healers especially they gotta heal your ass and dispelling, on top of that u're
making tank take more damage cos of chain.... ranged at least can bandage themselves, can you?

You want me to stop breathing? heh, i'd like for you to say that in front of my face.
When is myremi's next gathering?

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 23 2008, 11:24 AM

Bcos Tanks Are the only ones that can't benefit from welfare epics.
Welfare epics are for DPS + healer classes nub.

Roll a tank.

and the healers also need a lot of strategy to heal my ass, and dispel, right? and somehow im chaining imaginary non-existing holy wrath to the tank?

and if ranged can bandage themselves, why cant a melee step out of holy ground and bandage? (only 5+ish yards distance) while bandage both melee/ranged cant dps anyways so they all on equal footing

seriously though, you got ownt on the internets and now you wanna take it to RL PVP? typical malaysian. but since your being so immature i dont mind it one bit. after all, i dont see myself out of shape when it comes to my RL physical build so if it has to come down to a brawl i could fare my own grounds.

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Added on April 23, 2008, 11:27 amand, tanks cant respec and dps right? paying 100g for specs when dailies are giving way more than that is also tough shits right?

anymore crying you wanna make?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 23 2008, 11:27 AM

bcos according to you, stepping out = wasting time.
You're setting your own trap, u know that?
bandaging takes 8 secs, eating aoe to cancel stun takes 1.

yeah, it is wasting time. therefore i dont bandage on maiden. cant see how am i supposedly "trapping myself"

Are they still tank if they respec?
Can they still raid in welfare epics? (it may be possible for MS/fury to tank in S3 epics...)
but that's not the point. I said Tanks don't benefit from welfare epics, i still stand my ground.

Healers and Tanks are sacrificing classes, but at least healers get to benefit from welfare Epics.
Tanks No, you only get boj rewards and you get boj by raiding. tankings gears are wayyyy harder to come by than
your shiny welfare epics that u're so proud of.

so. if they respec, they some how cant respec back right? and they are stuck to MS/fury, and have to tank raids as ms fury.

oh wow when was this implemented, i must be careful whenever i go dagger spec then!

and if your even claiming tanking gears are harder to come by, you're seriously retarded, even more so than the maiden comment.

u can avoid getting the tanks chained but staying away from the tank...chain has a limit range u know..unless of course they r too stupid enuff to not now how to not do it..
plus only dumb melees don't know how to go out to bandage if needed..
i've been there in full blues cept the purple aldor sword..the whole raid also was in blues mostly..1st day out in kara n maidens dead...
if u think ppl who are now decked in full t4/t5/t6 or whatever u wanna call it never been killing maiden before in pre kara gears, ur wrong..they got where they are now while having to go thru kara which means having to kill maiden first (unlike after 2.4 where u can hit 70 n go wipe in MH/BT)...

This post has been edited by mainFrame: Apr 23 2008, 11:36 AM

And you have problems understanding english language.

I said tanks can't benefit from welfare epics.
Read that sentence 10 more times until you get it.

MS/Fury =/= tank

They will still be chaining among themselves (the meleers)...
which still needs healing.

how many melees u bring nwy? starter kara grps never really bring enuff melees to make the chain dangerous enuff to not be able to heal thru by the healers..
plus whats the problem with healers healing them? its their job..not like the raid eats that much dmg for heals..

This post has been edited by mainFrame: Apr 23 2008, 11:48 AM

well theres no telling if someone has been through maiden the hard way or not

gear is so easy to acquire nowdays one can be full t6 without even doing kara lol

I never said meleers can't take down maiden.
I said they are less desirable compared to ranged dps.

You guys need to slow down and read between the lines before you jump into
conclusion and start pulling BS out of ur asses.

I merely said meleers are less desired in maiden and grull's fight..... then this started.
I never said IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DOWN MAIDEN (or even grull) as melee dps.

thats a different story..

i may or may not be having problems understanding the english language, but you are definitely having problems understanding the game. in which this sub-forum is about.

respec, know about how it works? ask your friendly city guard on where your class trainer is, goto class trainer, press the unlearn talent button, press yes to confirm.

not hard right? i hope its not too hard to understand even if you do show signs of weak intelligence capabilities.

yeah, i agree.... DPS and healers only tho.

btw mainframe, i seriously hope your not spending a lot of effort on this guy. good intentions aside, it'll all be for naught

I can respec 1 million times but that still doesn't change the fact i can't bring along my shiny welfare epics when i'm raiding as a PROT warrior.
Hope that clears up all confusion. kthx.

since when? since ur RL says so?

last i checked your the one pulling bs's outta your ass.

i believe ive mentioned that as a prot warrior you gear up considerably faster, and easier than the rest of the raid.

and i also believe the whole welfare thing started because you decide to take a jab at my gear knowingly how futile and gear envy you are. last i also check, said welfare epix are pvp oriented and they are almost worthless in raids. i even wear blue pve trinket and t4/prekara gear over my supposedly t6 quality s3 gear because i know how to defferienciate what gear does what, unlike you who doesnt seem to comprehend even that.

Please Elaborate.

Oh, NOW i'm the one who can't differentiate PVP and PVE gears bcos i said Tanks can't use welfare epics (PVP gear) for raiding ???

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 23 2008, 12:02 PM

can you even make a decent attempt at trying to use your brain? even though it isnt much to begin with.

i believe we have a fine example here, even though hes recently inactive from lyn.
that should be enough hint.

I beg to differ...
which part makes u say tanks gear up easier than other classes??

is it the part where it's easier to pug than afk in BG?
is it the part where after 40 runs and still no Sun Eater drop, wherelse i can choose what i wanna buy with honor/arena points?
or is it the part where i can even lose all arena matches and still be able to bag a few S3 pieces which does not require rating?

that makes gearing up tanks easier huh ?

Page 4 and thread still not lock for flaming.

Amazing...

this thread is ele or ench shaman
becomes kara maiden tank lul....

what is enchantment shaman?
Lol.... just kidding

if you dont even bother to use your brain, i dont think im obliged to spoonfeed you.

ok so, do you want pvp gear, or pve gear? last i check theres no pve gear from honor points
and, is sun eater the ONLY tanking weapon? last i check theres quite a number of them
and refer to line 1 of no pve gear from honor.

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Added on April 23, 2008, 1:30 pmall the better really.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 23 2008, 01:30 PM

I'm making some popcorn, anybody want some? Feel free to dig in when its ready

I think the thread has dragged on long enough, basic case of the misinformed party not willing to take a hint. Close already lahhhh

ONCE AGAIN ladies and gentlemen....

*drum roll*

Seriously King, how many time have you "attemped" on Maiden ??

I'm not an expert, but basically Maiden have four abilities.
1. Holy ground - strikes anyone that is in melee range, but the damage is crap. easily heal thru. No problem for healer.

2. Holy Wrath - deal massive damage if people are near one another. But normally it won't be more than 3 people in melee range (including tank) therefore it won't be an issue. Four also workable if they are perfectly spread out. tried that b4.

3. Holy Fire - Single target direct spell that applies DOT that deal over 1000 damage per tick. Normally cast upon those outside of her holy aura which means range dpsers and healers will get it.

4. Repentance - caused 8~10s stun upon every members of the raid. Periodic damage can break it, which mean melee class within the holy ground will have no problem breaking it. range dps like a hunter have to run into the holy ground to break it.

Since you said that melee class will cause the healer having a hard time. So tell me, which is easier for healer to deal. melee class that gets holy ground with crap damage or range dps(in this case hunter) that get holy fire ?? hack, even if the damage is equally same between holy ground and holy fire, it is healer job to heal the raid lar. what else can they do ??

And who is the one that have to waste time keep running in and out when hit by repentance and who is the one can continue hitting on maiden without having to move an inch? And they can't even use their pet in this fight assuming there are 3~4 melee class within the holy gorund. So what kind of dps will the hunter produce in this maiden fight?

And, by having a hunter running in and out of holy ground when they are hit with repentance, might increased the chances of chain holy wrath, no??

interesting thought:

maiden wrath tank, badmelee and tank chains it, hunter send pet, chains it, at the same time hes at the edge of holy ground, recieves chain, and theres a healer just beside him, recieves chain, somehow raid members are in distance of chain, one by one up to the 10th member.

how much dmg the 10th will take?

She will cast Holy Fire no matter if u are all-melee (except healer) or all ranged (excep tank) or a combination of both.
Your question sounds as if by having meleers, she will stop using Holy Fire. This is not true bcos healers will still be outside of aoe and hence "somebody" will
get the Holy Fire. Someone has to dispell it. It's inevitable. But having meleers take damage in the aoe is extra job for healer, no?

I have no idea why a hunter can't use pets becos my hunter knowledge is 0.

Repentence has a longer cooldown than the chain.
Running in once in a while is STILL better than getting chained constantly if were in melee group.

Anymore arguments?

The funny thing is...
You guys insist you are right, yet you can't bring up facts to prove me wrong right in my tracks...
You question my way of looking at things, but when i answer back with more insight, u shut up.

Same like the case when i said PROT > ARMS.
You insist i was wrong, but u can't get me the proof.

btw, that was a joke thread... i know PROT doesn't DPS better than arms,
but it's sad you guys can't come up with a healthy discussion rather than simply brushing it off as NOT TRUE...
or changing the subject to focus on other things, like "how stupid i am etc"...

I am open to discussion if u'll simply make more sense...
not becos it's not true simply bcos u said so.

"HAY GUISE, YOU CANT PROVE WHY HUMANS BREATHE AIR, THEREFORE ITS NOT REAL, SO I WILL STOP BREATHING AIR NOW!"

^

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breath

are you like, some kinda stupid? you're really beyond hopeless

There you go again....
If you have nothing constructive to comment on the topic,
not posting isn't such a bad idea.

You won't lose e-peen for not posting.... rly.

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 23 2008, 05:04 PM

Errr....I think you might need a bit of help Kings83.

Cheesing Kara : http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=467987&hl=

Kara questions : http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=443197&hl=

Those posts bring back memories.

i appreciate the links myremi but what are they for?
no offence, but what are u trying to prove?

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Added on April 23, 2008, 5:27 pmMyremi, what does this mean?


just checked, CoD is 60 sec.... and wassup with 50k damage ??

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 23 2008, 05:27 PM

No i did not said it will stop using holy fire if you have meleers. read again bro. lazy to repeat what i said above.


Ahh... finally something i agreed with what you said....


Still there a slight chance that it might happen right? And it bloody wasted dps running in and out.
Again, with 3 meleer who know what they are doing will not be getting chained constantly. Even 4 meleers will not cause it if they are perfectly spread out. How is it u will be getting chained constantly then? Are you stupid or something ??

No, that is exactly what u're saying....
YOU read ur own sentence, not me.

You asked "which one i prefer? Meleers getting crap aoe damage OR hunters getting Holy Fire."
If i choose meleers get crap damage, does this mean she will stop casting Holy Fire??
JEEBUS FREAKING CHRIST !!! You don't even know what u're talkign about.

Dude, you need to brush up on ur english....
what do u mean slight chance to happen??
I SAID "getting chained once every repentance is better than constantly getting chained on melee" !!
Which part of that sentence do u not understand ??

And why is everyone's vocab so limited in this forum ? Stupid is the only thing u know how to say.

and not getting chained with 4 meleers is bull crap.
You don't stand the same spot the whole time. lotsa running to healers to break stun etc...

AGAIN, you're arguing for the sake of arguing.... you don't even know what u're talking about.

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 23 2008, 06:39 PM

The problem is that even if we share our experience, you deny it based on your experience. But the question now is there's a lot of us in higher end instances compared to you, so whose experience does it count?

My last advice to you is this Kings83 : you don't have to like the person giving the help, you just have to be polite.

No more posts from me whenever you say or ask for something. Too much coaching or tip-giving even for me.

Some things are cold hard facts... like how 1 stam = 10 hp for most classes etc...
Some boss does this move, you're supposed to move out to avoid damage, then run back in resume dps...

not flat out going spartan becos running out is "wasting time" or bcos i'm "overgeared"..
u know what i mean myremi? Different boss does different moves, you react to them...
not tank same spot throughout the fight and going spartan.

This post has been edited by King83: Apr 23 2008, 07:01 PM

No comment anymore.

2nd boss of mech.... the one that spawns double or triple fire elementals...
Do your tank while avoiding the trail of flames or do u ignore the damage and keep fighting
cos avoiding is waste of time and bcos u can cos u're overgeared?

You're one of the person i respect 'cos u're humble and doesn't have this elitist attitude
like most of the guys here... But if u can honestly say that these people here aren't bullcrapping
about how tanks can raid in welfare epics and even to the extend tank gears are easier to get than welfare epics,
i got nothing to say.

You know they're pulling BS out of their ass but you're too afraid to admit it cos u dun wanna offend anybody.

maiden from what i remembered...
attempting her on the 3rd-4th week tbc came out...
was all about chain heal spams!
4 melees on her, 1 warrior, 1 druid, 2 rogues... 3 healers 3 range dps
(was all we could get for the first 10 reaching 70 and finished the prereqs)

and no... you don't run out from maiden... you just stay in there take the dmg and drink pots... its all about the DEEPEEEASSS


Question : How's sunwell? kewl?

This post has been edited by sets84: Apr 23 2008, 08:38 PM

lolwut? suddenly melees need to break stun now?

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Added on April 23, 2008, 11:56 pmyea, and somehow the things we say arent hard facts huh?

like how 3 chains is ez to heal unless the healer is wearing crap gear?

or how melee dps is 100% where caster/ranged arent?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 23 2008, 11:56 PM

The point where u say melee dps burdens healers is 'true to a certain extent'.

However, the dps output of the melee dps far outweighs the 'healing burden' -- please read this as ""BENEFICIAL"".

In short - bring good melee dps and of course bring good healers... hell you know what? Bring a god damn solid team so this crap talk bout UBRS-zhan will end.

This post has been edited by saingau: Apr 24 2008, 07:49 AM

i personally would consider it "true" over "to a certain extent"

however, this guy is talking about maiden, in today's age of epix welfare-ness. and despite many vets pointing his wrongs, ignorantly continues to go "ranged is teh superiar on maiden" crap.

No. i said Holy fire normally targeted at the person closest to her BUT OUTSIDE Her HOLY AURA. which mean, melee that are close to her (INSIDE HER HOLY AURA) would not be targeted. Hence Ranged DPSers will be the one have to eat the bloody Holy fire zhit. understand ??


Did u really attempted Maiden before??? most of my run i don't even have to move much. maybe move forward and backward a bit. that is because healer hit by repetence, the tank move a bit so the holy ground will hit the healer therefore break the repetence on the healer. that it.
If the tanker does not move, i don't have to move at all.

I seriously never seen chained wrath happen before in all my run, maybe next time i should purposely run close to the tanker for the sake of wanting to see it happen.

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Added on April 24, 2008, 9:58 am
What ? Your tanker (or is it you) have to run all over to break healers repentance?? and are healers standing at the wall is that your tanker have to run around?? lol
Your paladin don't know how to dispell it meh ? other healer that cannot dispell, don't know how to run in holy ground like your hunter meh? before repentance up, your taanker is not HOT up meh?


look whos talking..


This post has been edited by aaltong: Apr 24 2008, 09:58 AM