Go to Monsoon on Jalan Maarof Bangsar and try speakers like the B&W800D. But beware, they're quite a LCLY bunch.

But I must admit that B&W also have some lower end stuff, so they also cannot be considered exclusively high end. Brands like Wilson Audio not so easy to check out here. Megatron may like their stuff... their speakers look like Transformers.

not side surrounds. but rear surrounds.

presence speaker output is in conjunction of yamaha DSP program. yamaha DSP program ranging from movie watching, sports, entertainment, concert listening, hall, and so forth. the main idea is to get listener to 'feel' the scene when DSP program is activated. you could read more in google.

so to further enhance this DSP program, here comes the presence speaker into place. but lower end yamaha cant output presence channel + actual surrounds all together in one time.

so to answer your question, to use front or surround back, it depends on the media itself. i oftenly use front presence if i listen to music and concerts, coz i could use the dialog lift effects. Also when listening to music, u could use the theater program whereby it will somehow makes the sound like u in this particular theater. e.g roxy theater and so forth. And also, all the reverb, echos, surround effect can be further exploit if u use presence.

for movie playback, i always use rear surround for full motion effects. dont wanna alter anything coz u might end up losing some effects from the actual studio master.


only RX-Z11 able in outputting all 11.2 discrete, including front presence & rear presence. so u got mind blowing true 11.2 surround around ur asses!

This post has been edited by apisgogo: Apr 16 2008, 05:06 PM

That's not an inaccurate generalisation. I was going to say that too but Digitalkl saved me the trouble.

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Added on April 16, 2008, 5:09 pmCan it be considered 11.2 discrete if at most, the disc being played is only 7.1?


This post has been edited by Audio Nirvana: Apr 16 2008, 05:09 PM

As per question in the thread.

I will not go for 7.1, too many speakers and a b*tch to setup. Unless can sufficiently hide all the wires.

In addition, not much support for it be it for PC or for a hometheatre setup.

I'll stick with either my Logitech Z5500 and my dad's Klipsch 5.1 system at home.

Cheers

Thanks bro, I will go there this weekend if they open business

DigitalTech said wan............not me....not me........

This post has been edited by DigitalKL: Apr 16 2008, 05:15 PM

taken from yamaha website:



it more or less adding the surround depth. impressive but not night & day difference.

when Yamaha RX-Z11 available here ??? I want to compare it with Pioneer LX90 when it arriving here next month

Nanti DigitalTech kick you in the nuts like your avatar baru lu tahu. Or is that supposed to be dying to pee?

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Added on April 16, 2008, 5:21 pmIf like the way Yamaha explains it, I wouldn't consider it 11.2 discrete. In my opinion, discrete means every one of those 11 channels gets a unique signal.

This post has been edited by Audio Nirvana: Apr 16 2008, 05:21 PM

i dunno abt unique, but its add some effects on the channel. how to say, like when helicopter scene, where the sound is from front to back, this presence will act as continuation after front channel before surround channel. tested it myself.

means not discrete?

discrete means got dedicated signal............

Perhaps it's like delay the signal then. I'm no expert also but discrete means unique, whereas this receiver seems to be doing is using one of the original 5 or 7 channels, and manipulating it somewhat before sending it to the additional channels. That is not discrete. Those 11 channels can't be discrete unless the disc's audio is recorded with 11 discrete channels, and we all know that there is no such thing.

This post has been edited by Audio Nirvana: Apr 16 2008, 05:46 PM

ya, perhaps..

maybe i mistakenly read as discrete.. but i do recall read this somewhere..

nvm, like i said its not night and day difference

Ya, I think it won't be night and day difference also. Just fill in the gaps intelligently only, so to speak. Not unlike how an upscaler fills in the blanks by looking at the original pixels beside it, and then making a best guess as to what it should be.

hm, speaking of an upscaler,

when i play a scene e.g beach scene, my front presence speaker adds somehing like the water splashing sound into the surrounds. when compare to presence speaker off, with presence channel, the beach scene gets more fuller and deeper.

is it consider discrete as well?

Aiyo dont say like that lah. Different ears mah. What u like doesnt mean everybody else will like and vice versa.
Just say la u dont like it because of...bla, bla. bla and not simply put it as crap
Maybe that yammy speaker range not musical enough but they serve their purpose within a certain budget.

Sony D series 40 " is crap....... *quickly hide with didikl*

anything Sony is crap *hides behind rx330*

except PS3
*kicks didikl didi

oh ya hor! ps3 !

This post has been edited by DigitalKL: Apr 16 2008, 10:24 PM