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Nokia Nokia XpressMusic 5800 "TUBE", Nokia's first touch S60 device

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davidmak
post Dec 19 2008, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(xcen @ Dec 19 2008, 02:33 PM)
Erm 5800 cannot have Garmin rite? 5800 not smartphone rite?
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There are reports of a Nokia 5800 user successfully installed and used the application. Current versions available on the internet is not compatible to Nokia 5800. A new revision will have to be released to add support for this phone. But it doesn't not mean Nokia 5800 is not a smartphone. I'm sure if you read through our pages, you'll realize that.

QUOTE(deathclaw @ Dec 19 2008, 02:35 PM)
Is there any notes like application such as the one in SE G900? If there is one, how easy is it to access the application to just take down a few notes?
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I think it'll be a little bit troublesome on the Nokia 5800. Let me check through the feature. Haven't use it a lot though. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 19 2008, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(smashpOp @ Dec 19 2008, 03:03 PM)
everyone lets tahan together until 9th january!!!!
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Don't be like that lar. Hahaha! Later original also in limited quantity then how? Hehehehe... ok ok joking only joking only laugh.gif
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post Dec 19 2008, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(aruja_69 @ Dec 19 2008, 03:43 PM)
Ya lah.....mesti stock damn limited...someone is getting a FREE SET from Nokia Malaysia here...hehehehe. Jangan marah ye...But he deserve it kaw kaw. Below are picture taken with 5800 and Xperia X1...u be the judge then.
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Hmmm... hmm.gif

The Nokia 5800 produces sharper (or maybe in focus) image. But the exposure is a classic case of speeding up the shutter speed while using the flash to light up the near object. So you get a dark background.

The X1 however tries to expose everything perfectly which is why you see the background damn white/bright. This can only be achieved by lowering the shutter speed thereby increasing exposure time. Handshake will be severe here. So thats why it is not sharp or in focus.
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post Dec 19 2008, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(smashpOp @ Dec 19 2008, 04:35 PM)
dat wan ap ler
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Wah now those AP dump price liao (although most no stock one lar). So meaning if they can all the way till RM15xx. So possible the original price much lower than RM1899-RM2000 liao. Probably pre-order is more expensive due to freebies and 1000 songs, etc.
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post Dec 19 2008, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(MK84 @ Dec 19 2008, 05:09 PM)
For those who are waiting....

Countdown to 5800. tongue.gif
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Hehehe... sure 9 January 2009 (90109) is the official date or not? tongue.gif
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post Dec 19 2008, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Dan J @ Dec 19 2008, 05:14 PM)
Im gonna be getting 1 soon. rclxms.gif  I wanna get it b4 the official release.  thumbup.gif
But i hope that the ap set that i'll be getting will have manuals and what not included in the box 2 be in english and not chinese. biggrin.gif
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Thats the problem. Most of the AP sets originate from Hong Kong as they are the nearest to Malaysia at the moment. No signs of Singaporeans ones though. So all the manuals are in Chinese characters. But the UI is pretty much very user friendly and you'll familiarize with it in no time.
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post Dec 19 2008, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(limyusiong @ Dec 19 2008, 09:09 PM)
same to me...no time yet to google more....

damn tired, jus came back fr JB...n JB pc fair is suxxx...lousy prod, ntg much, no parking, n NO SHOW GAL!!!!

david n aruja,

i got no time go lowyat to c my supplier...once i go, i will sapu SP, around 8-10 pieces, n give u all FREE la....keep u all update ya...
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Really generous of you lar. biggrin.gif Good to have you here mate. Me in the middle of taking pictures. Have to take nice nice mah. So guys, will keep you all posted. Sorry, don't mean to tarik tali here. tongue.gif
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post Dec 20 2008, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(aruja_69 @ Dec 20 2008, 12:20 AM)
Bad news..for those who want to hear music..the quality is quite bad..I am quite dissapointed with 5800..when i paired with HBH 980 and music is damn soft even max volume...my N95 8GB is very loud, Xperia X1 is nice and clear but 5800 like sound is quite far..and now using B & O also having the same problem...anyone encounter this problem..or maybe software problem....all of u better wait for the ori one then..
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Well, I tried with my pair of Sennheiser CX300 IEMs which are low impedance earphones. Stereo crosstalk and separation are standard in my opinion. Volume was at 70% to be comfortable. You got to try E71's music playback. That is what I call sucks.

I guess why the HBH980 is soft on the Nokia 5800 is because it lacks a digital amplifier IC like the N91. The Nokia 5800 is unable to drive such a high impedance headphone, brother. You'll need a portable-personal amplifier for that. We have to wait for detailed reviews by GSMArena where they have access to signal processing instrumentation to do THD, Crosstalk, etc tests. That will tell us a lot about the source. Whether it is good or not.

QUOTE(limyusiong @ Dec 20 2008, 01:24 AM)
i nt sure yet..depend...very tired la...

for those having HK set n can write chinese, go n try text my handwriting input by chinese, u will love it man....fast, accurate n recognize
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Yeah, did that. Not bad. I am really amazed by the sensitivity of the touchscreen. My HTC isn't as sensitive. I believe the Nokia 5800 is on par with my iPod Touch in terms of the screen sensitivity.
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post Dec 20 2008, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(alpha_company @ Dec 20 2008, 12:03 PM)
i saw some few pages back that after removing the cover the picture quality is much much better than with the backcover.

the cover makes the pics look dimmer..less colors
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I'm gonna check if there's another cover over the micro camera lens. If there is one, we can consider drilling a small diameter hole on that back cover. I have access to a precision driller in my work place.
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post Dec 21 2008, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(Hyde`fK @ Dec 20 2008, 07:59 PM)
I checked out the back cover just now. There's a cover on top of the lens as well. Saw both red and blue. Blue color is kinda light, not dark enough. Still wondering which color to gets. Latest price at my place is RM1599 now. Expect to drop even more during launching.
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Yeah, price is dropping now as the launch date is coming close and eminent. Heard AP units are extremely scarce and only blues are brought in. Not sure why.

QUOTE(dattebayo @ Dec 20 2008, 11:31 PM)
After the official launch of 5800, will this phone drag down the price of other Nokia phones [AP] as well ?
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No lar. Different phones, different pricing. No correlation.
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post Dec 21 2008, 10:29 PM

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Well the phone is in fact plasticky but with good reasons, at least for me. Its thick (I came from HTC Touch Diamond) but its light and very grippy. Anyway the design and cosmetic of the phone makes up for it. I like it especially when I expose the phone in sun light. It'll glow red. Its blackish most of the time you see. I've studied the casing in detail and its made of translucent plastic, the same ones you see on toys. So although it looks like a toy, but the price is right.

I mean where would you see a touch screen phone with so much features packed on a RM16xx phone? I think Nokia has a design winner here.
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post Dec 21 2008, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(alpha_company @ Dec 21 2008, 08:35 PM)
i just want to know, how does the proximity sensor work for the 5800?
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Simple. It is something like a photo-sensitive component. When your face is near this component, it'll block/reduce light exposure to it altering the voltage/current (depending on which approach of measurement/detection). As the amount of light exposure changes, the electric characteristics changes as well. The controller would then dim/switch off the LCD display. When your face is further away, light exposure is restored and it will be detected by the controller and LCD display restored.

When you got your hands on the phone, you can use your fingers or anything to cover and block light exposure to it. The LCD display will switch off.
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post Dec 21 2008, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(feimeng @ Dec 21 2008, 10:40 PM)
i don't think the proximity sensor is related to light
if it's really something to do with the light
but what will happened if we use the phone in dark?
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Good point. Which is why it has a light sensor also. The implementation is very similar to the Canon EOS400D SLR camera with proximity sensor. If this is the case, guess it would be something of a emitting device? I notice there are two 'micro lenses'. One should be emitting and the other calculating the time it receives. This would allow it to different distance.
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QUOTE(booooster @ Dec 21 2008, 11:03 PM)
proximity is nt the same as light proximity detects if the phone is put to yr ear or not
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Not light proximity, but rather light measurement device. Guess my second assumption can be considered. Emitter and Receiver. 2 'micro lenses' on the phone just left of the front facing camera. That should allow it to measure distance to any surface, be it ear, or other organs. tongue.gif

QUOTE(mrhenree @ Dec 21 2008, 11:04 PM)
im unsure if the light sensor thingy your mentioned, by nokia E71 that i used also has this thingy. when day time, it detects light, the keypad wont glow and vise versa at night. smile.gif
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Yes, thats a light sensor. Guess thats not how it detect proximity of surface. The HTC Touch Diamond has such a feature, but no proximity measurement device. It relies on the light sensor. Some said, it in fact used the front facing camera. But it wasn't accurate at all. It switches off the screen even before you put it onto your ear. Its buggy because at times, sometimes it work and sometimes not.


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QUOTE(feimeng @ Dec 21 2008, 11:09 PM)
so complicated XD
but who cares as long as it is functioning properly
we just need to have it do its job right
no need to go deep about it
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Our friend ask mah.. blink.gif

But yes, amazingly it works flawlessly which is good.

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QUOTE(Lineage @ Dec 21 2008, 11:16 PM)
actually how is the touch screen for Touch Pro? and how is the performance for TouchFlo?  hmm.gif
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Honestly speaking, it is just ok. But because the OS is not optimized for thumb operation (except for Touch Flo 3D), you'll miss some touches. I've also experienced the Touch Flo 3D missing my touches, but maybe because I touched the screen too light.
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QUOTE(booooster @ Dec 21 2008, 11:24 PM)
u use a Touch Pro?

My thumb not that big so its ok pretty smooth but the vga screen eats battery  tongue.gif
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Not me but my colleagues. But I think both screens are the same. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(booooster @ Dec 21 2008, 11:26 PM)
well I use it day in day out no problems for me maybe u just need to get used to it huh

I would say it is one of the best PPC out there  icon_idea.gif
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I am sure it is. Guess Touch HD will be a better touch device for people with big fingers. At least for people who don't want to make sure everytime if they had touched the correct buttons or whether it register their touches. But I am very surprised Nokia 5800's sensitivity is better than my Touch Diamond.
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QUOTE(booooster @ Dec 21 2008, 11:32 PM)
guess its diff type of touch screen technology perhaps  hmm.gif
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Should be the same. Resistive touchscreen because it requires the ability to detect stylus and thumb/finger. Only difference is a larger screen. Current WM OS requires the use of stylus to navigate those tricky areas (small icons).
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QUOTE(aruja_69 @ Dec 22 2008, 12:41 AM)
So am I having this problem alone? Can anyone reconfirmed this? Thanks
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QUOTE(hellwaker @ Dec 22 2008, 12:41 AM)
I don't think is related to paintjobs more like red light is leaking from the gap between the button and front casing. Other 5800 owners can double confirm this?
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No problem over here. No light leakage over here. Guess its an assembly variation where tolerance is concerned. The buttons and the screen overlay having a gap where light is leaked out.

QUOTE(Lineage @ Dec 22 2008, 02:08 AM)
nowadays, phone are made for pressure touch and not sensor touch like iphone like? why ar?  hmm.gif
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Probably to suit first timer of touchscreen phone where users might want to use their nails, pens, and other 'pointy' objects. You can't do the same with capacitive screen. You must use your finger/skin. Nails won't work here.

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QUOTE(aruja_69 @ Dec 22 2008, 10:14 AM)
Could u pls take a pic of your set? Thanks
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Ok, gimme time until tonight. I'll take a picture with lights switched off.

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