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haziqnet
post Dec 23 2016, 11:56 PM

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For those who are comparing affin bank and cimb let me tell u one thing cimb asb financing is islamic and affin bank asb loan is conventional. For muslims better do investment with islamic term. For non muslims bumi you can choose either.

For now only cimb and maybank offer asb islamic financing plus have syariah panel. Maybank asb 1 only offer 25 years and cimb 30 years.

Your choice. Im just telling u the facts here. Please correct me if im wrong.

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post Dec 24 2016, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(e_X @ Dec 24 2016, 12:32 AM)
People want to invest their money on this ASB Loan right? Minimum for this loan is 30 years?

Maybe the way im thinking is different, I don't want to invest "loan" with my money, invest mean you are ready to lose it all or profit, and I don't have 1.2k every month to save up but with 300 per month, is affordable for me for 30 years i bet can get more than 200k on longterm public mutual.

Just my 2 sen.
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Not min 30 years but best method 30 years financing. You can apply less duration with more installment if u want.

200k asbf with compounding u can get million after 30 years. But by rolling dividend only 1 year payment u can get more than 200k after 30 years

Unit trust est. Profit 8-15% per year. Minimum investment 3-5 years. Unit trust also is a tool like asbf...the difference is the risk. Asbf is low risk and ut medium to high risk. If u really want to invest in ut i can help u but under cimb. You can compare both and choose which is more better.

In investment you must diversify best start from low risk to medium risk and so on. Thats how you can control and manage your risk. Plus before make an investment make sure u already have emergency fund at least 3 month of you salary. To start UT now is a gud time as u can buy units at floor/lowest price.

Pm me if u want more info.

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post Dec 24 2016, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(meonkutu11 @ Dec 24 2016, 07:54 AM)
I wonder how much the asbf agent received the commission from the loan.
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If u want to know i can tell u...only 0.5% of commission from the total of financing/loan. So if client apply 100k we consultant only get 500 per application. 1 time commission only. Is that much sir with all the knowledge we share. If u go see bankers u wont get knowledge and technique like we told...plus we can help u to apply asbf according to your goals and budget. This commision is our only salary as consultant. No basic salary. Hope u sastify with my answer. Thank you wink.gif
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post Dec 24 2016, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(willywonka92 @ Dec 24 2016, 09:47 AM)
is there any probability for asb dividend to be better in the future?
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No one can predict but in investment there is downtrend and uptrend.

If u understand this you wont worry because its normal

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post Dec 24 2016, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(meonkutu11 @ Dec 24 2016, 02:19 PM)
Thank you sir...
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Your welcome smile.gif
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post Dec 25 2016, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(Seng_Kiat @ Dec 25 2016, 09:53 AM)
What is formula you using to get (B)? The balance after 1 year.
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using financial calculation apps. look at playstore or appstore for this apps. after install go to loan calculator.

put your loan amount, interest rate and loan term (25 year, 30 years for example) than click amortization...after new windows open look at the no. on your left. It refer to month. so go through to the month you target to surrender your asb.

if u want to know more how to use this financial calculator whatsapp me...i already give u my no. i can show u step by step using the calculator
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post Jan 5 2017, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(slacx @ Jan 3 2017, 12:11 PM)
Cimb still got 5% interest for asb2 loan? I have asb loan from cimb too
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Yes extend till 16 january 2017. Interest pm me
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post Jan 5 2017, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(munky @ Jan 5 2017, 09:05 AM)
should i cancel my asb loan?

currently i have 122k cash in my asb, and another 70k loan. Been paying for about 4 years plus already with monthly installemtn of RM417.

would it be better if i save RM5004 (1 year installment) and put it in my asb directly instead of paying the loan on top of the yearly dividend from the 122k?

from my calculation, i would get more 'dividend' (dividend + RM5004) every year if i do this, but i would get more in my account at the end of my loan tenure if i continue servicing the loan

But what if i cancel the loan lets say this year or in next 3 years, etc?
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How long is your asb loan tenure? 30/25 years?

122k (4 years) 70k (when you proceed)

your ASB with insurance or not?

How old are you now? Below 35?

You use your own money or dividend to pay for your installment every year?

To answer your question i need to know the information above.

And this phrase below,

"would it be better if i save RM5004 (1 year installment) and put it in my asb directly instead of paying the loan on top of the yearly dividend from the 122k?"

Do u mean u will paid for the whole installment for 1st year installment and let the dividend to paid for the rest installment? Can u explain more?

Can pm me. I will advise what you can do. tq



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post Jan 6 2017, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(munky @ Jan 6 2017, 08:22 AM)
25 years

122k is my own money that i can take out anytime. 70k is the loan i took in 2012.

got insurance

32 this year

own money

What i meant was, is it better if i cancel the asb loan, but continue putting RM5004 (equivalent to what i pay every year to service the loan) into my asb account every year instead of continue with the loan? Assuming i keep on depositing every year for another 20 years
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If you put RM5004 every year without loan the dividend will be calculate based on RM5004 only. If the dividend rate is 7% you will only get RM350.28/year

instead with 70k (RM5004/year) of ASB you will get approx. RM4900 (dividend) + principal you paid

You should know ASB dividend calculate based on the balance in your account every end of month so the more amount you have in your ASB the more dividend you will get.

Why making ASB with loan?
because we start with higher volume to gain more profit

so the answer to your question ASB loan is better than saving every year
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post Jan 7 2017, 11:36 PM

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buggie very well explanation. Hope we can meet in the real life. I cant explain that well with my level of english. Thats is why i like to explain with calculation than words. But what u explain even using words is very clear and easy to understand.

To those interest to make ASB financing i urge u apply with consultant.

Why?

We provide you with knowledge. Once you apply with us, we will continue to support u in the future. We as consultant not just seek for commission but the main reason are to help people out there to increase income with lower risk tool like ASB.

ASB is the best tool if u want to force saving. After you have enough income / profit you can proceed with another investment with higher return.

The concept of ASB is OPM @ bank money to have high volume of investment so your target must to reach 400k of ASB each by using the available technique like hybrid, rolling dividend and so on. By reach this 400k target u can maximize your potential return.

Ok thats all for tonite. Those who interest can pm me as usual.

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post Jan 16 2017, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Jan 12 2017, 12:50 AM)
Thanks, informative post
What I learn here is,
Assume loan 200k, pay monthly for 3 years. Stop and cancel loan, ask bank to disburse amount of remaining, let's say 36k

So at the same month, apply maximum loan again which is 160k example (200k -  36k + dividend) and continue paying for 3 years.

Repeat.

Is this what I suppose to do?
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I will tell u one thing as u are still young try to reach max OPM...

As u already have 200k loan make another 200k loan using asb2.

By using hybrid technique.

So u only need to continue pay for the 1st 200K and for the 2nd use the dividend to pay for it.

If u r 25 now, try to hold until u reach 30 (5 years)

So here what u will get if u max out 400k asb

Let say ur first 200k apply without insurance, than your monthly will be around 1100. Apply another 200k at 2nd year and terminate after 5 years

The calculation as below -

Dividend at 6.75% prorate

1st 200k
Dividend balance x 4 years = 325 x 4 = 1300
5th year dividend = 13500
Principal (ammortization) = 15,830
Total = 30,630✔

2nd 200k
Compounding x 4 years = 59717
Principal (ammortization) = 15,830
Total = 75,547✔✔

Total both ASB1+ASB2 = 30,630+75,547 = 106,177✔✔✔

Nett profit
Capital 1100 x 60 month = 66,000

106,177-66,000 = 40,177✔✔✔✔

When u have this, u can apply another 400k asb loan (RM26,400) and only need to pay for 1 year using rolling dividend technique. At 31 years old u already have 400k of ASB that u dun need to pay for unless the dividend become too low or bank rate become too high and your dividend cant cover for the whole installement...if that happen you have 2 choice either remain the asb loan (paid the uncovered amount) or terminate your ASB.

Or u can use the money to buy property, invest at another platform with higher return, or anything u want.

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post Jan 16 2017, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(incubustor @ Jan 15 2017, 10:54 AM)
Whole tenure of the loan. 25 yrs. Reason I ask is because earlier there was mention that we get return from insurance.

Also it seems conventional loan got early exit penalty?
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Yes if u terminate your asb with insurance, u will get the balance of the premium return to your account in 2-3 month

The conventional loan at cimb have 1 year lock in period. But for islamic none...so if u apply for conventional asb ask them if it have lock in period or not.

If the loan have lock in period usually it will have exit penalty...but to be sure go to the bank and ask them...



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post Jan 16 2017, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(buggie @ Jan 12 2017, 10:00 AM)
Hey Bro PrincZe, I think you've gone a little astray in the concept. Let me try to explain or maybe bro Haziq can explain better in figures  biggrin.gif

But firstly, what does the 36k represent?

Anyway, let's set the scene.... so you take 200k loan and you pay 1k monthly for 3 years. Assuming @ 7% dividend, you would have 245k in ASB by now made up of 200k sijil pledged to the bank and 45k of earned dividend in cash. You've paid 36k in installments and you have 27 years left in your tenure. Your outstanding owed to the bank will be less then 200k but that's not important.

Clear on the scene above? Ok now what do you do?

On the 1st of the next month apply to terminate the current loan which has 27 years left and immediately re-apply the loan for 200k again for the max tenure of 30 years. Don't worry, the bank officer should be used to this procedure of terminate/re-apply. Only thing is that you have to make it clear that they (the bank) have to disburse the NEW loan within the same month which could be very frustrating. I'll explain why later.

What happens when you do this? the bank will dissolve the 200k sijil and settle your existing 27 year loan. This leaves you with only 45k dividend in cash in your ASB. So for roughly 2 - 3 weeks until your new loan is approved and disbursed, your ASB will only have 45k in it. Then the bank will do their due diligence and process your new 30 year loan application and if all goes well, before the end of the month will put back the 200k sijil into your ASB making it 245k again

So where do you stand after this whole process? Your loan is extended back to 30 years. And you have 245k in ASB (200k sijil + 45k cash) ready to earn you that compounding interest at the end of the year. And you continue to pay for the next 3 years before repeating the process. And as a bonus, you get back 3k in ammortization which you can spend to get that new iPhone/Samsung to reward yourself for being so disciplined in making those monthly payments! thumbup.gif  rclxm9.gif

Bro haziq, correct me if I'm wrong please.
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Yes correct..but make sure u put the 45k dividend into another account like ASB 2 or TABUNG HAJI when apply the new 200k loan...if not u only can apply another 155k (max loan 200k per account)

If u are young u can either flip your ASB every 1,2,3 or more years until u reach 35...35 make sure u apply 400k asb and use rolling the dividend technique to cover for the loan installment (1st year installment use from the profit u earn from your previous ASB loan)

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post Jan 16 2017, 09:43 PM

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ASB is not hard to do...

Basically before making ASB loan / financing calculate how much u can afford per month.

If u can 200 than proceed with 200. If u only can 100 also can. Dont make ASB as a burden for u.

Remember ASBF is the best tool for force saving.

Use available ASB techniques to help u reach your goal.

Rolling dividen, compounding, hybrid that are the techniques. Use either one that suit with your financial needs.

Rolling dividend - 1 year capital only (if dividend too low or bank rate increase u may need to topup your own money)

Compounding - paid consistently without taking the dividend

Hybrid - increase your loan every year until reach 400k but only need to pay for the 1st years installment only








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post Jan 17 2017, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(buggie @ Jan 16 2017, 10:09 PM)
If you are terminating/reapply, the 45k no need to take out right? only if applying first time loan need to take out.
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No still need to take out...if you really want to make 200k asb than yes...because max loan is based on what u have in your asb account...the dividend included...even after u terminated it...

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QUOTE(buggie @ Jan 17 2017, 01:03 AM)
So what you are saying is if I had 245k cash in ASB, no loan (for simplicity sake). If I wanted to take a 200k loan I need to take out the full 245k and put elsewhere? Then my ASB will be left with only 200k? If that's the case, everytime I terminate and reapply, I will be back at square one with only 200k and compounding interest is non-existent.

With due respect Bro haziq, I believe can just take out 200k and leave 45k inside. So when the bank approve my loan, and put back 200k sijil I will have back 245k...(200k sijil + 45k cash).
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No like this when u r applying for max loan 200k u need to allocate all what u have in your asb into another account...after the loan disburse u can transfer the allocate money back into your asb account...

For example :

You are trying to apply 200k asb loan and in your account already have 245k so you take out the 245k and put it into your asb2 account or Tabung haji (temporary)...after the loan approved and disburse into your asb account (received an offer letter) u can transfer back the 245k into your asb1 and you will have 445k in your account.

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Jan 17 2017, 07:18 AM)
If you apply loan, the bank will take sometime to disburse the loan before instalment payment, you lose the one or two months dividend depending on how fast the bank disburse the loan. Also the dividend will only  commence upon paying the instalment and not upon disbursement of the loan by the bank ?
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The dividend commence at the date of your asb disbursement...thats why asb flipper every year they will apply new asb loan at early month of november and terminate it at december...continue the step every year and getting cash in hand...

If ur loan approve and disbursed in november u will get free dividend at december even u only start payment at january the next year...

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Jan 17 2017, 08:11 AM)
If you apply loan in Nov, you have to move all the fund out from asb in Nov, so no dividend will be paid in Nov?
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you mean if u already have fund in your ASB account?

i just want to explain your question either the dividend will be calculate on the date of disbursement or installment date...

so the answer is on the date of disbursement


about ASB flipper every year, if u dun have any asb account yet and your goal to get cash in hand every year than the technique is like i mention on my previous post.


why u apply at november previous year and end at december current year ? the answer is because u want to get the 12 month dividend.


If u already have fund in you ASB1, you take it out temporarily (park in ASB2 or TH), apply for 200k ASB loan after disbursed put it back. Than at December apply for termination and u will earn more dividend (compounding) as u have loan and your own fund.

but if your fund in ASB for example 50k and u only want to apply another 150k by using loan, then u dun need to take out the fund as u still not reach the max 200k yet.

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Jan 17 2017, 10:14 AM)
So if take out completely from asb to facilitate the loan, then there will be no dividend for Nov, is my interpretation correct?
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yes correct...thats why im telling u to put the fund into ASB2 or TH ...so the dividend still be calculate until your loan disbursed at ASB1 (if u put for 2 month for example, the dividend will be calculate for 2 month at your ASB2 - will be paid at April) but if u take out the fund and put it into your saving account than u wont get any dividend from it.






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QUOTE(buggie @ Jan 17 2017, 10:36 AM)
Bro, dividend is given by PNB and nothing to do with the bank installment. All PNB cares when they calculate the dividend is whether the money is in at that point in time. So it is at the point of disbursement.

So having said that, you can push the bank to disburse within the same month. Usually you apply first, then the bank will tell you that they are ready to disburse and request you to empty the account. So it lessens the risk. Just make sure all done by month end cause that's when they calculate.
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The best method when u apply for loan empty your ASB first...i have a case my client apply for 200k ASB and in his ASB account already have 10k. The bank wont tell the client to take out the fund instead reduce the loan amount automatically. Finally my client loan only approved for 190k and not 200k...






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