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 ASB loan, worth to get it???

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post Dec 22 2018, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(sneaker @ Dec 22 2018, 04:56 PM)
4.85% from which bank? If I plan to do ASB-f for RM150k, rates still 4.85%? What is the monthly installment for 20 year?
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If you're gonna do 20 year... Then no point doing this... Go for max
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post Dec 22 2018, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Dec 22 2018, 12:07 PM)
The only problem is that nowadays people don't maths and also saying it's haram etc etc haha.
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Their loss...
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post Dec 22 2018, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Misteripunyaolang @ Dec 22 2018, 08:04 PM)
Why need to go max? Isn't it better if you pay off earlier and that means you no longer have the committment to pay while your investment continue to reap the compounding interest?
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Your missing the point of this loan. Settling the loan is never the intention. In fact, you should always be at max tenure... When you terminate and reapply... Push it back to max tenure...

This is to bring down your monthly repayment cost. Once you've finished abusing the system, cancel and walk away
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post Dec 22 2018, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Dec 22 2018, 09:14 PM)
Can explain how terminating and reapplying can bring down the monthly repayment?

Also, if you terminate and reapply wont you lose dividend for at least 1 month to sort out the process?
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Lower interest rate (if not lower then don't do it) and max tenure ensures repayments stay low.

Yeah. You would lose a month possibly. But you get back amortised value effectively increasing your ROI. It trumps the 1 month loss
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post Dec 29 2018, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(rekod @ Dec 29 2018, 12:31 AM)
7% return is good if you use your own 200k cash.

if you take 200k loan, you still need to pay loan interest rate right?

so let say loan interest rate is 4.58% and ASB return around 7%

7-4.58= 2.42% which is lower than FD return.

back then the average was 9%-10%.. now average is 7% only, it's possible that in the future the return is lower than the loan interest rate.

is my calculation correct?
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Do your calculations. If you spend 1k+ per month on asb loan and the exact same amount on your FD, at the end of 20,25,30 years, what's the balance in your account? Which is more? You will have your answer
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post Jan 1 2019, 09:24 PM

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Tomorrow can check balance ady... *hope*
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post Jan 2 2019, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(annas473 @ Jan 1 2019, 10:17 PM)
This morning ok.
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QUOTE(eastwest @ Jan 1 2019, 10:53 PM)
This morning already show the total asb amaunt.. But it doesn't show the details .
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ah yes!... can see when go to 'rekod urusniaga terkini'

They haven't add to your total yet
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post Jan 2 2019, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(junclj @ Jan 2 2019, 08:51 AM)
myasnb is traffic jam now but I was managed to login to check my new balance. "503 Service Temporarily Unavailable", "502 Bad Gateway" again now. Website down again.
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Checked last night at 1230am.

Dividends already reflected in your total balance

Since didn't touch for the past year, effective dividend is 7%
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post Jan 2 2019, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(junclj @ Jan 2 2019, 01:47 PM)
4.85% is only for 30 years but mine is 5.1% for 20 years.

if loan 4.85% for 30 years, I have to pay the total of RM380,160 in 30 years. Loan RM200k but paid RM380,160, the bank was earned me interest of RM180,160 in 30 years.

but mine now is 5.1% slightly higher but I just loan for 20 years, I just need to pay the total of RM319,440 in 20 years. After 20 years then I will senang-senang to receive my dividend. Loan 200k but just paid RM319,440. The bank was earned me interest of RM119,440 in 20 years.

you can calculate with excel by using these formula
4.85% for 360 months
monthly
=ROUNDUP(PMT(0.0485/12,360,200000),0)
total 30 years
=360*(ROUNDUP(PMT(0.0485/12,360,200000),0))
5.1% for 240 months
monthly
=ROUNDUP(PMT(0.051/12,240,200000),0)
total 20 years
=240*(ROUNDUP(PMT(0.051/12,240,200000),0))
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If I take 4.85% tenure 30 years but terminate after 20 years, how much the bank make from me la brother?

Anyway, i think you're missing the point here. Please do read previous posts

This post has been edited by buggie: Jan 2 2019, 02:17 PM
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post Jan 2 2019, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(junclj @ Jan 2 2019, 02:19 PM)
not sure but I just divide RM200k by 360 mth to get RM555.56/mth. If 20 years then RM133,333.34

=240*(ROUNDUP(PMT(0.0485/12,360,200000),0))
will get RM253,440

You was paid RM253,440 in 20 years. So bank was earned you RM120,106.66 but you only can get RM133,333.34 cash after terminate.
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You're still missing the point. For this asbf, I would always wanna be at max loan tenure. Settling the loan is never on the agenda. How much the bank makes from me is irrelevant. Its about how much ROI I make. To get max ROI is keeping your repayments low. And getting back amortised value.

I'm too lazy to give figures... I've done so many times in my previous posts before haziq and wild card came on the scene. And when these two workhorses came on, they gave even more detailed calculations than I could ever give.

My advice, just read the posts. In the end, if you're still unconvinced, go with your gut and trust your calculations. As long you're still making money that's fine.

But if you wanna max your returns on investment, however you slice it... Max loan tenure is the way to go

As a real life example, I've just reached 7 figures, and I've still 25-27 years on the loans to repay...

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post Jan 2 2019, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(eastwest @ Jan 2 2019, 09:42 PM)
I really jellyfish.. 😂
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jellyfish pulak... laugh.gif

QUOTE(Bold III @ Jan 2 2019, 10:04 PM)
Wow! Please share your method sifu!
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Already... just search my posts. If you go like a year back it's even more detailed

QUOTE(annas473 @ Jan 2 2019, 10:29 PM)
4 account n hit 1m

Plz asb give big % to young gen like us
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3 account actually. notice only 3 pie colors. ASB, ASB2 and ASD. The 4th - ASW only RM 10.00 laugh.gif
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post Jan 3 2019, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(junclj @ Jan 3 2019, 09:52 AM)
OK, its up to you. As I say everything were offended you. For me, if possible, I got RM200k cash, I won't choose to loan from bank. Just put RM200k cash directly, it is the best and most return because loan from bank we need at least 5 years to get return after deducted to bank interest. That's why loan in shortest term is the best, the shorter term we loan, the less interest that we paid to bank. So should get certificate and settle earlier then enjoy my loan free life with my RM200k and compounded dividends in my ASB account for the following years.

It's not so difficult to calculate actually as I like to calculate everything. I was studied Accounting & Finance before as a Bachelor of Commerce.
That's why I say not worth to extend your loan to maximum 30 years, interest is too high. I'm not talking about interest rate, of course interest rate is low but you need to first calculate it first to know how much the "Future Value" you need to pay in total. Just either take out a Financial Calculator or use Excel to calculate your future value. Frankly speaking, bank also need to earn your money. If not why the bank can get so rich and every year earn profits? You can see everyday got so many salesmen and saleswomen hard sales ASB/ASB2 loan, bank need these kinds of income. They need to earn our money.

I am speaking out my mind base on a ASB loan consumer but not a salesman. Salesman of course is trying to convince us and praise for how best of their ASB loan got what kind of promotions lah, got what kind of benefits lah.. damn, who care of these things?
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From where in my post that you think I was offended? At the end of the day, it's no skin off my back. You do you and I do me.

You say you like to do calculations. Then I challenge you to disprove any of wildcard's or haziqnet's calculations. Don't get me wrong... I'm not offended. Just for discussion and for the mutual benefit of everyone following this group. Put that Accounting & Finance 101 and that Bachelor of Commerce your parents paid for to good use.

And... of course the banks are making money. We get that.. lol. every business also wanna make money ma. You buy phone also samsung make money. Does that stop you from buying a phone? no... because it's useful to you. Same principal here. We are leveraging off the bank's money to make more money. We call this OPM throughout the threads here.

And IMO, if I had 200k cash in ASB, I'd take it out and replace it with a 200k loan. The cash I'd put in ASB2. So now, that 200k is earning interest 7% in ASB and another 6.5% in ASB2 while I pay an interest of 5%. But why stop there? take it out, apply ASB2 loan and put that cash in ASD to earn yet another 6% on that 200k while paying an interest of at most 10% only combined.

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post Jan 3 2019, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(mohamadf @ Jan 3 2019, 10:15 AM)
For me i dont care how much bank make as long as i am in benefit also. Hopefully will reach 7-digit in 13 years and follow bro buggie's footstep

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Wow congrats! well on your way there... keep at it

QUOTE(UsopSontorian @ Jan 3 2019, 10:21 AM)
wow everyone rich
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come come, get on that money train!

QUOTE(PrincZe @ Jan 3 2019, 10:23 AM)
off topic a bit.

later once 13 years u reached 7 digits, here comes the dilemma.

what's 1m worth in 13 years?  bye.gif
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No dilemma.... as wild card says, it's constant. almost as sure as death and taxes.

it'll be a dilemma if i didn't have that 7 digits tho!

QUOTE(timo1003 @ Jan 3 2019, 11:16 AM)
It's 2019 and there are still doubters and naysayers for asbf  rolleyes.gif . How I wish I had the chance to even take 400k/500k asb loans where it was allowed in the past (as long as your account allows it)..

And no, if i have 200k cash in hand i will still take asb loans and put the cash in asb2>asb3>asw2020 (though I would also take loans for asb2 IF, keyword, i can afford paying for the loans). Anyway, to each their own la.. Can't force anyone..
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That's right, timo... you get the idea.

People think that this loan is a liability. like a car loan or a house loan. talking about financial freedom and stuff....

But they forget that ASB loans are unique. You are still technically financially free at all times with this loan as for any reason whatsoever, be it low dividends, high interest/BLR/BR, medical emergency, suddenly becoming jobless, etc... just TERMINATE AND WALK AWAY. Zero risk, or shall i say minimal risk should you terminate on the first year.

Even if you die, the banks just take back the sijil and your next of kin is not burdened by your debts.
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post Jan 3 2019, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(4Z7 @ Jan 3 2019, 11:35 AM)
Noob question here: That "Jumlah" is the amount we own or the total investment?

Let say if we cancel the loan (bank sell the certificate) the amount would be adjusted to how much we actually own?
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Total investment. Sijil + dividends earned (cash) so far

Dividend rates are calculated on the Jumlah so ASBf bumps up this figure for max returns.
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post Jan 3 2019, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(shodan11 @ Jan 3 2019, 05:01 PM)
IF la kan..😅
For me, if I got 200k cash, what's stopping me to transfer that to ASB2/3 and subsequently get full ASBF 200k? Better..max ROI. Why stop.
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Exactly! But go one further.... Put in asb3 take asbf2! (kalau ada allocation for asbf2)

That 200k boleh 3x jana dividend
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post Jan 3 2019, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(lotter92 @ Jan 3 2019, 05:21 PM)
I see. Thanks for clarification. So far, no financing available for ASB3 yet right?
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Kalau ada... Guess who will be first in line? Hahaha

Tapi dah tua la.... Cannot take max tenure anymore 😂😂😅😅
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post Jan 3 2019, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(syumul @ Jan 3 2019, 02:10 PM)
I concur. Excel calculation VS Real/Actual experience.

Actual never wrong. Fact.

BTW, How old are you sir?
You just inspired me. biggrin.gif
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I'm 43 Bro... Old horse ady... Haha

Started this asbf thingy when I was about 25 I think.
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post Jan 3 2019, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 3 2019, 07:54 PM)
Buggie, I haven't done the meth since most of my clients are rather young. Would you say it is still beneficial (if you believe it was beneficial to begin with) for those who can't finance at full tenure, to be refinancing them every 5 or so years down the road?

Consider for both types that are paying each month to let the dividends to compound as well as those rolling the dividends to pay the installments
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I also haven't done the math either. Mainly because for ASB it is no longer an option for me. I'm on ASB 400k loan. I wanted to refinance a few years back but the bank told me that I could only reapply 200k and not the 400k that i was already on due to the PNB ceiling cap. So i opted to keep the 400k loan. So this will be it till the end for this loan. no more refinancing

ASB2f is a different story. Took it about 4 years ago and it's usually just about the time i would refinance. But I can only apply to 65 years old and with my next birthday being 44, I'm only eligible for 21years. I reckon at the current interest rate and 21 years tenure, the repayments should be about 1400?? i think so.

rough calculation at 1400 a month, this would cost me 16800 per year
ASB2 current amount is 253k (200k sijil + 53k dividend) therefore next dividend will be:-
1st year 16.4k
2nd year 17.5k
18.6k
19.8k
21.1k
etc...

So if i'm ever gonna do it, it'll probably for the ammortised kickbacks of about 10k which I know I won't reinvest. It'll probably be spent as a reward as per all those times before.

I think i'm due a little reward so i might just do it!

Could you give me a more detailed calculation? especially on the monthly repayments. Thanks bro

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post Jan 4 2019, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(facktura @ Jan 4 2019, 09:21 AM)
Is ASB2 still available for financing?

Currently doing 200k for asb1 on 3 separate certs, so wondering if i should letgo one of the cert and apply for asb2f instead.
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ASB2 gives you less dividend. Why would you wanna switch?

go for ASB2 only after ASB is full. In your case yes to ASB2 for add on. No to switching

This post has been edited by buggie: Jan 4 2019, 09:27 AM
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post Jan 4 2019, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Jan 4 2019, 05:08 PM)
flyingspaghettimonster asb forum. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(mohamadf @ Jan 4 2019, 05:29 PM)
hmmm. i type cari.gold just now  mad.gif
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LOL... How the heck cari.gold become flyingspaghettimonster? 😂


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