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post Apr 6 2010, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Apr 5 2010, 09:11 PM)
Serani/Portugese are considered Minority that allowed to invest in ASB scheme. This group shd be considered Bumi by defination, as this group of ppl already in Malaya b4 the Srivijaya/Majapahit influence to Malaya. But then many states (except for Melaka) do not recognise Portugese in other states, like in KL/Selangor, they do not enjoy bumi discount when buying property in these states.
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I see! Means Serani is consider "partial" bumi lo biggrin.gif So, encourage all Serani to move in Melaka.

BTW, cheahcw, is now the right time to sell PISTF & PISSF now? Is the price now consider high or can go further? Pls read my thread at http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1299169/+140 coz this thread is about ASB loan blush.gif sorry ah blush.gif
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I just met Maybank to enquire on the ASB loan. So far i feel its worth because ASB calculate divident by monthly min balance. So ASB will count our dividen base on the borrowing amount which is bigger compare on self money saving.

They told me for the first year we just need to pay rm300 per month but the following years we only need to pay rm88 after deduct the dividen of 7% up to 15 years of loan duration.

Now im not sure which bank is offer better between CIMB and Maybank. Maybe someone can advise.

Thanks.
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post Apr 6 2010, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(otherwise @ Apr 6 2010, 04:24 PM)
I just met Maybank to enquire on the ASB loan. So far i feel its worth because ASB calculate divident by monthly min balance. So ASB will count our dividen base on the borrowing amount which is bigger compare on self money saving.

They told me for the first year we just need to pay rm300 per month but the following years we only need to pay rm88 after deduct the dividen of 7% up to 15 years of loan duration.

Now im not sure which bank is offer better between CIMB and Maybank. Maybe someone can advise.

Thanks.
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depends on what package u r looking at, RHB has a package that for the 1st 3 years u do not need to serve the monthly instalment (capital portion), u only need to serve the interest rate, so it will reduce your burden. U can call RHB and ask for details
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post Jul 30 2010, 02:37 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 26 2010, 11:29 AM)
Yes you can get the dividend to pay the loan and principal, but if you calculate properly, you can get much more by paying direct to ASB.. your choice of whether you want 100k or 300k. If you keep paying the loan with dividend basically your money will not grow for the next 25 years. Inflation will eat you alive.  drool.gif Look at the calculation of my last reply.  laugh.gif
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i am currently doing a research on asb loan as i am considering to go for it. been reading few pages back, notice ur post and i have to say that ur calculation has a serious FLAW.... lol
why? if let say a person takes the asb loan, pay the first year using own money but 2nd year and consecutive years, use dividend money to pay the installments, wouldn't it be that the person will have extra income from his annual as his salary is not touched to pay the installments? and that extra income can be used for other purposes such as other investments etc... i once calculated this before, in the end, the difference between taking asb loan and pumping the asb using traditional way is not much but still in favor of the traditional way.
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post Jul 30 2010, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(*7* @ Jul 30 2010, 02:37 AM)
i am currently doing a research on asb loan as i am considering to go for it. been reading few pages back, notice ur post and i have to say that ur calculation has a serious FLAW.... lol
why? if let say a person takes the asb loan, pay the first year using own money but 2nd year and consecutive years, use dividend money to pay the installments, wouldn't it be that the person will have extra income from his annual as his salary is not touched to pay the installments? and that extra income can be used for other purposes such as other investments etc... i once calculated this before, in the end, the difference between taking asb loan and pumping the asb using traditional way is not much but still in favor of the traditional way.
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I suggest you calculate it again in terms of compounded interest, if you pay the installments directly to ASB you will get more returns, with the simple reason that you do not need to pay the bank interest. Not to mention BLR has already increased 2-3 times already...


Added on July 30, 2010, 9:01 amHere is a sample calculation for those who not able to calculate compounded returns.

Using Maybank- ASB loan financing Table

Calculation 1 : ASB Loan

Loan Amount : RM 100,000
Repayment : 20 years @ BLR-1.65%
Monthly Payment = RM 642 x 12 = RM 7,704 per year
Total payment after 20 years = RM 154,080

Expected Dividend = 8.5% (Based on last year dividend + bonus)
Dividend per year = RM 8,500 x 20 = RM 170,000
Total Returns after 20 years = RM 100,000 + (Rm 170,000 - RM 154,080) = RM 115,920

Calculation 2 : ASB Investment

Monthly Investment : RM 642 x 12 = RM 7,704 per year
Expected Dividend = 8.5% (Fully reinvested)

Total returns after 20 years = RM 404, 375

Well it's your choice if you want to pay the banks or pay yourself? whistling.gif



This post has been edited by gark: Jul 30 2010, 09:01 AM
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post Jul 30 2010, 08:59 PM

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I have to agree with *7* your calculation is a bit off. you didn't reinvest the dividend for the ASB loan but you reinvest (compounded interest) for self saving hence the big different.

I try to calculate using the ASB calculator

ASB loan at the end of 20th year RM 511204
self saving at the end of 20th year RM 389000

IMHO provided that the BLR does not rise above the dividend than the ASB loan is feasible
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post Jul 30 2010, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 30 2010, 08:36 AM)
I suggest you calculate it again in terms of compounded interest, if you pay the installments directly to ASB you will get more returns, with the simple reason that you do not need to pay the bank interest. Not to mention BLR has already increased 2-3 times already...


Added on July 30, 2010, 9:01 amHere is a sample calculation for those who not able to calculate compounded returns.

Using Maybank- ASB loan financing Table

Calculation 1 : ASB Loan

Loan Amount : RM 100,000
Repayment : 20 years @ BLR-1.65%
Monthly Payment = RM 642 x 12 = RM 7,704 per year
Total payment after 20 years = RM 154,080

Expected Dividend = 8.5% (Based on last year dividend + bonus)
Dividend per year = RM 8,500 x 20 = RM 170,000
Total Returns after 20 years = RM 100,000 + (Rm 170,000 - RM 154,080) = RM 115,920

Calculation 2 : ASB Investment

Monthly Investment : RM 642 x 12 = RM 7,704 per year
Expected Dividend = 8.5% (Fully reinvested)

Total returns after 20 years = RM 404, 375

Well it's your choice if you want to pay the banks or pay yourself?  whistling.gif
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so confident ah you? rolleyes.gif apart from the point given by masami, common sense speaking, why would u deduct the payment (RM154,080) from the calculation in ASB loan whereas in your ASB Investment calculation, u didnt deduct the outflow of cash aka "payment" in order to invest? your calculation is soooooo one-sided whistling.gif
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post Jul 30 2010, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(*7* @ Jul 30 2010, 09:26 PM)
so confident ah you?  rolleyes.gif  apart from the point given by masami, common sense speaking, why would u deduct the payment (RM154,080) from the calculation in ASB loan whereas in your ASB Investment calculation, u didnt deduct the outflow of cash aka "payment" in order to invest? your calculation is soooooo one-sided  whistling.gif
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a bit confused here....why should deduct for own abs investment??? hmm.gif
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post Jul 30 2010, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(gastacopz @ Jul 30 2010, 09:36 PM)
a bit confused here....why should deduct for own abs investment???  hmm.gif
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coz he shouldn't deduct the monthly payment from the calculation ASB loan in the first place as we should assume the term "payment" is like the term "saving" in own asb investment. in this case, payment = saving. lol .. dunno whether u get what i mean or not
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post Jul 30 2010, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(*7* @ Jul 30 2010, 09:26 PM)
so confident ah you?  rolleyes.gif  apart from the point given by masami, common sense speaking, why would u deduct the payment (RM154,080) from the calculation in ASB loan whereas in your ASB Investment calculation, u didnt deduct the outflow of cash aka "payment" in order to invest? your calculation is soooooo one-sided  whistling.gif
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The point is to highlight the differences in the total amount you get after 20 years. IMHO, the calculation by Masami is not correct, as it does not assume the interest & principal payment to the bank. You think the bank no need to makan kah? The 154K is used to pay bank your bank loan. If you want to let the bank earn most of the investment money, you are more than welcomed to do so. Just don't miss any payment in the 20 years, or your ASB certs will be forced sold. whistling.gif


Added on July 30, 2010, 9:47 pm
QUOTE(*7* @ Jul 30 2010, 09:45 PM)
coz he shouldn't deduct the monthly payment from the calculation ASB loan in the first place as we should assume the term "payment" is like the term "saving" in own asb investment. in this case, payment = saving. lol .. dunno whether u get what i mean or not
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Even if you do not deduct the payment then, RM 100,000 + RM 170,000 in dividend = RM 270,000. If you pay the 7,700 per year directly to ASB account then you get RM 404,000 in 20 years with all dividend reinvested. There is no need to minus the total amount paid because it is your own money. Which one you will choose is up to you.

Anyway the money is yours, so do whatever you want with it. laugh.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Jul 30 2010, 10:04 PM
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post Jul 31 2010, 07:35 AM

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My calculation is based on the amount given that is Rm 642. Interest and principle payment are already included in the amount RM 642 ( The amount needed to be paid for the next 20 years) as opposed to self saving of the same amount.
the difference is, through ASB loan the dividend is compounded from initial amount of RM 100000 whereas for self saving it starts from 642.

I not sure if u understand this... please google ASB calculator and calculate yourself

then again the BLR is on the rise. As I said before, last year the effective rate of BLR is around 3-4.This year the BLR has shoot up to 6.3 so the effective rate is around 4.7. Even at 4.7 you are still leveraging on the 8.5 percent ASB dividend. but if it rises more than 7 something than i think self saving is better.
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post Jul 31 2010, 08:38 AM

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Well there is always many sides to an opinion, there is no right or wrong just different approach. If you do feel strongly on yours, well you should go ahead with your financial plan. Good luck. rclxms.gif
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post Jul 31 2010, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(*7* @ Jul 30 2010, 09:45 PM)
coz he shouldn't deduct the monthly payment from the calculation ASB loan in the first place as we should assume the term "payment" is like the term "saving" in own asb investment. in this case, payment = saving. lol .. dunno whether u get what i mean or not
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fully understood if only we treat the amount we pay to ASB is the same as the money we save every months using own own saving....

This post has been edited by gastacopz: Aug 1 2010, 02:06 AM
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post Sep 7 2010, 04:26 PM

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Here I did a simple spreadsheet to compare whether ASB Loan is untung or rugi (compared to investing yourself).

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0An...djMGJqcXc&hl=en

Check it out for yourself.
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QUOTE(tonyek @ Dec 21 2008, 02:25 AM)
this calculation based on my asb loan at maybank.i take this loan scheme since i was 19 and it's already 3 years now.
i paid 429 every month for 15years for my loan scheme.so for those who doesnt know where the 5148 figure at without(w/o) table this is the calculation=429x12months=5148.but for w/o loan table u must remember to deposit that 5148 amount lump sum at the early month of the year coz asb dividend is calculated based on the deposit date.so if not it will be slightly decreased.hope this table can help u guys make a better judgement.if my calculation was wrong feel free to let me know.
Loan   
year initial    dividend profit  balance
1 50000      8% 4000      54000
2 54000      8% 4320      58320
3 58320      8% 4665.6    62985.6
4 62985.6      8%        5038.85  68024.45
5 68024.45    8%      5441.95  73466.4
6 73466.4      8%        5877.3    79343.7
7 79343.7      8%        6347.5  85691.2
8 85691.2      8%        6855.3  92546.5
9 92546.5      8%        7403.7  99950.2
10 99950.2    8%      7996  107946
11 107946    8%      8635.7  116581.7
12 116581.7  8%      9326.5  125908.2
13 125908.2  8%      10072.65 135980.7
14 135980.7  8%      10878.45 146859.2
15 146859.2  8%      11748.7 158607.9
                    Paid      77220
                Nett Profit    81387.9
   
   
Assumption   
no dividend withdrawal for 15 years 
fix dividend at 8% every year 
fix interest rate   
   
Comparison   
profit - 81387.7   
punctual payment   
   

W/O Loan   
year saving initial    dividend profit      balance
1 5148 5148      8% 411.8    5559.8
2 5148 10707.8      8%      856.6    11564.4
3 5148 16712.4      8%      1337    18049.4
4 5148 23197.4      8%      1855.8  25053.2
5 5148 30201.2      8%      2416.1  32617.3
6 5148 37765.3      8%      3021.2  40786.5
7 5148 45934.5      8%      3674.8  69609.3
8 5148 54757.3      8%      4380.6  59137.9
9 5148 64285.9      8%      5142.9  69428.8
10 5148 74576.8      8%      5966.1  80542.9
11 5148 85690.9      8%      6855.3  92546.2
12 5148 97694.2      8%      7815.5  105509.7
13 5148 110657.9    8%    8852.6 119510.5
14 5148 124658.5    8%    9972.7 134631.2
15 5148 139779.2    8%    11182.3 150961.5
                      Paid          77220
                Nett Profit 73741.5
   
   
Assumption   
no dividend withdrawal for 15 years 
fix dividend at 8% every year 
   
   
Comparison   
profit - 73741.5   
must have good discipline to spend for every month
can be withdrawn for emergency
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tonyek,
i also do the same calculation using excel.
the nett profit for loan is HIGHER than w/o loan IF the total payable amount is LESS than rm82,500 (which is rm5500/year).
but IF the total payable amount is MORE than rm82,500, the nett profit for loan is LOWER.

CONCLUSION : it's better do w/o loan for yearly payment more than RM5500.
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post Jan 15 2011, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(forextor @ Sep 7 2010, 04:26 PM)
Here I did a simple spreadsheet to compare whether ASB Loan is untung or rugi (compared to investing yourself).

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0An...djMGJqcXc&hl=en

Check it out for yourself.
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thanx for the info bro..
after reading this i got a lot of future planning in ASB Loan..
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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 30 2010, 08:36 AM)
I suggest you calculate it again in terms of compounded interest, if you pay the installments directly to ASB you will get more returns, with the simple reason that you do not need to pay the bank interest. Not to mention BLR has already increased 2-3 times already...


Added on July 30, 2010, 9:01 amHere is a sample calculation for those who not able to calculate compounded returns.

Using Maybank- ASB loan financing Table

Calculation 1 : ASB Loan

Loan Amount : RM 100,000
Repayment : 20 years @ BLR-1.65%
Monthly Payment = RM 642 x 12 = RM 7,704 per year
Total payment after 20 years = RM 154,080

Expected Dividend = 8.5% (Based on last year dividend + bonus)
Dividend per year = RM 8,500 x 20 = RM 170,000
Total Returns after 20 years = RM 100,000 + (Rm 170,000 - RM 154,080) = RM 115,920

Calculation 2 : ASB Investment

Monthly Investment : RM 642 x 12 = RM 7,704 per year
Expected Dividend = 8.5% (Fully reinvested)

Total returns after 20 years = RM 404, 375

Well it's your choice if you want to pay the banks or pay yourself?  whistling.gif
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Calculation 1
let me get this straight as I think you are doing the wrong calculation here.
we only pay RM7,704 (for the 1st year) and use the dividend to pay for 2nd - 20th years. At 8.5% We will also make a profit of (RM8,500 - RM7,704)= RM796 per year for 19 years which equals to (RM796 x 19)= RM15,124. Our total returns by the 20th year is (RM100,000 + RM15,124) = RM115,124!!!

You said the total payment is RM154,080 but the truth is we only pay RM7,704 from our own pocket money. The rest are paid by don't know who, maybe from your income tax? LOL. So technically for an investment of RM7,704 ONLY we will have a return of RM115,124 in 20 years. That is 1494.34% profit my friend. Equivalent of 74.71% per year. THAT IS HUGE.

Calculation 2
Our own pocket money RM7,704 x 20= RM154,080.
Total returns after 20 years = RM404, 375.
% return = 404,375/154,080 = 262.44% or a mere 13.12% per year.

Now of course if you compare the TOTAL return of calculation 2 is more that calculation 1 but we always compare ROI and if you compare the ROI of loan vs ROI of no loan, don't lie to your self. you now know which is profitable right? thumbup.gif
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post Feb 19 2011, 02:50 PM

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Calculation 1 is correct. It's basically the bank giving you 100K with monthly payment paid by the dividens. The monthly payment is composed of interest amount and principal amount so for a one year payment of 7700, you get a return of 115K after 20 years.

That is of course, you assume that you don't touch the Dividen. I've been doing this for 5 years and trust me, there is always a reason why I need to use the dividen (kitchen cabinet lah ... house repairs lah etc etc). It's damn tempting one.

Something is not right with calculation # 2

You only started with 642 per month, by the end of the first year you will have 7704, the ASB dividen at 8.5% will only be calculated at partial of 7704 because only the first 642 ringgit has reached the 1 year, the other amount has not reached "maturity) so will not get the full 8.5 percent dividen. Doing an excel spreadsheet, at most, you will get 300K after 20 years if all the dividen is fully re-invested. Ohh by the way, if you do not use the sijil (which is the bank loans), you most likely will get 7% only as teh 1.5% is for those who has the sijil. Trust me, ask those who don't take loans and they will say that they never get the bonus dividens (you only get the extra bonus dividens after you have been in ASB for 10 years for those not using the sijil)

Now if you start with the 100K loan with the banks, you will get the full 8.5% dividen and if you re-invest the dividens, the amount after 20 years are huge as well.

In the case of ASB Loan, the question then is, if you save and re-invest, is it better than paying interest and getting a lump sum amount to start with?

Somebody must have done their calculation ...

This post has been edited by azraeil: Feb 19 2011, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(forextor @ Sep 7 2010, 04:26 PM)
Here I did a simple spreadsheet to compare whether ASB Loan is untung or rugi (compared to investing yourself).

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0An...djMGJqcXc&hl=en

Check it out for yourself.
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aku da tgk ...betul ker untung buat loan nieyh??? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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guys, which bank is better, CIMB or RHB or Maybank for this loan?

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