Guys, as CR has became 1 of d best winger in d world at the moment, which other winger do u guys think has d ability to challenge CR in winger position??? (may give your reasons as well)

so many thread about CR? just discuss in another thread huh

Current players I'm not sure.

However I would say previously it was Henry as he is a winger and even after converted he still roam on the wings and drift inside.

NOBODY..

on current form..he's on another level..not just by looking at the amount of goals he scored but also his assists record..and i think he is one of the complete attacking player of all time..he's a good header of the ball, he's two-footed, he can score with free kicks..

This post has been edited by cekutz: Apr 5 2008, 06:30 PM

errr............. walcott?2 years later?surely can 1..hahaha

ryan babel, maybe next season

EDIT: walcott oso can

This post has been edited by PrinceOfPersia: Apr 5 2008, 04:39 PM

maybe he (cr7) so good..
dont be jelous

many players are good but some fans are poser

Agreed.

dunno why they create thread to make comparison among player...? i still dunno why until these days....

This post has been edited by killingspree: Apr 5 2008, 05:03 PM

Nani..... i think his skill still can be improved

Messi.... he also one of the best winger in the world

This post has been edited by outsider: Apr 5 2008, 05:12 PM

nani....

no one la~~~!!!
wanna find a good winger also hard loh.
but wanna find a winger that can play left and right,samore score so many goals is almost impossible oh~~!!!

camoranesi better, he also a world cup winner.

totally 100%

nedved also good wat

carlos vela can challenge cr aswell
just wait and see

This post has been edited by xakemx: Apr 5 2008, 05:53 PM

whoopa he's damn good as winger...

avram grant.... he always play at the sideline, sometime at left wing and sometimes at right wing, depend on team attacking...

nani has got a great ability to compete with ronaldo.. IF and only IF ronaldo is to leave united, nani would be a good replacement.
welcott has a good a lot to learn, but he has got good talent. babel is one for the future and even robben is a great winger as well

couldn't agree more, mate...

he's not a winger. you dont see people saying henry was a winger even tho he always cuts in from the left flank.

better post something like this than below one



nani, messi, robinho(older a bit) all got potential

henry started his career at arsenal as winger
then he became a deadly striker
but i hope cr will still be a winger coz man utd already got rooney and tevez

This post has been edited by MADReaLJL: Apr 5 2008, 07:49 PM

Samir Nasri?give the boy some time...the new Zinedine Zidane!

ribery
messi
robben (when he's not greedy)
nedved
kaka
ronaldinho (not this season)

i like the way Messi and Ribery play with their own style...

ohya...cesc
gerrard

Joe Cole,
One of my favorites!

no matter how good tat guy is, it juz take another hard tackling guy like richardo to break one of his leg........... and that is

i think beckham hahhahaha

Lamers......Comparing CM with RWM/LWM......

In terms of dribbling,I would say this guy:

RICARDO QUARESMA

Here's his vids.

Enjoy!

i'd say messi can compete with ronaldo in term of dribbling .kaka was before this season.he reads the game well and manage to deliver passes by passes even he's marked thoughly.

but sorry to beckham fans..except for his incredible crosses and almost perfect passes never thought he's great .in this era we need a well rounded winger and his era had gone.

for me, nearest to c.ronaldo will be lionel messi..

c.ronaldo is highly possible to be crowned the next "Player of the year", n the only possible contender currently, lionel messi, is left out due to injury..

we should be comparing a winger with a winger and not those playing in other positions..Gerard Fabreagas Kaka Nasri and such are not wingers and should not be counted..

Although Quaresma is a v skillful player with a bundle of talent, its such a waste that he cant perform on the big occasions..Like wat happened when he was in Barca..

CR in still the best winger currently..with his form and his eye for goals, it makes him even better..

i dont think ronaldo will be the best if he didnt come to mancister.. lets say he join derby..

I'm with you on this one. Beckham has to be the most one-dimensional player to have been in contention for the European Player of the Year Award. If it weren't for his celebrity status and the fact he was playing for Man Utd, he would not find himself standing next to the likes of Rivaldo, Figo, Batistuta or Raul. His reputation precedes him.

yes...if ronaldo was in derby, then gerrard would be in derby too..lol
ronaldo had the potential, tats y SAF brought him to old trafford, at that time, even arsenal were chasing him.
give comments based on the players ability, not because u dont support the club. dont be jealous if u dun have ronaldo, but be grateful tat he is in the EPL and is taking epl to another level.

i believe that depends on the succes of manu and portugal especiallt this year ir euro year..

He's a striker isn't he? But I heard this boy is good.

exclude kaka.

cesc and gerrard aren't wingers, they are more to AM/CM role.

I heard this guy is very good as well. But people do tend to forget about JOAQUIN from Valencia. He's damn good.

p/s: I think this kind of threads shouldn't be opened in the first place. It'll draw flamebaits.

This post has been edited by boxsystem: Apr 6 2008, 10:20 AM

I can't believe how many immature posts i've read in a two pages' topic. It is just a normal topic and players who are playing well will bound to get the limelight. It is usual. The problem for some forumers here is that football has become so personal to them. I bet there are some ppl here who will be on cloud nine if ronaldo gets injured like how eduardo does.

EDIT:typo

This post has been edited by eksk86: Apr 6 2008, 10:14 AM

why should i be jealous.. u guys have ronaldo, we got torres

er sorry.. but Kaka is the best in the world....

there plenty of players can compete with CR.... Joaquin, Queresma, Ribery, David Villa, Walcott....

Why is CR better known then the rest... because he is playing for Manchester... and one thing most important.... manchester is built around CR and everyone else in Manchester is suiting into his style of play.

Player like joaquin and queresma has this problem .. they need teams to be built around them ... unfortunately... valencia and barcelona dun built around players...

Beckham is a class of its own... I dun idolize him.. but he is effective...
Question ppl should pose.. do you need someone dribbling around for 5 minutes and make one assist or someone who kicks a single kick and give and assist. To me the end result is the same... 2nd point is you can stop a dribbling player but you can't stop a flying ball faster than anyone can run and flying at height nobody can reach...

Beckham won the Champions league... CR haven't... maybe this season.. but again it is not easy...With the quality of player manchester utd now compared with when they won the champions league... they have more capable players now... back then was all home grown players. now it is purchased...

This post has been edited by ponomariov: Apr 6 2008, 01:37 PM

agree...they bought their player with an amount of money but they still manage to build such team..so no comments...money well spent i guess...and i think CR is already at his peak..his form wont last any longer anymore...maybe will last for this 1 or 2 years..maybe shorter than that perhaps..c wat happen to de others??kaka?l.ronaldo?henry?ronaldinho?CR is just a normal human being..he will hav some high and low at time...u guys are saying him the most complete player currently is just because of his peaking form but when u look at his poor form at man utd last 2/3 years ago when his father passes away..who is he?ronaldo that we know?

u mean SAF is doin a good job grooming him???

i agree with ponomariov. Beckham had the most assists for real madrid in a season (forgot which season) than anyone else. U dont have to be able to run at 325332 m/s and beat every player on the field twice before passing the ball to ur teammate for a goal. That's why i rate Beckham highly, even though he's not skillful or a good tackler or whatever. He creates chances and very effective at doing that.

Anyway, back to topic, i think at the moment, nani, babel, robinho, messi, walcott, and me

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Added on April 6, 2008, 2:14 pmi agree with ponomariov. Beckham had the most assists for real madrid in a season (forgot which season) than anyone else. U dont have to be able to run at 325332 m/s and beat every player on the field twice before passing the ball to ur teammate for a goal. That's why i rate Beckham highly, even though he's not skillful or a good tackler or whatever. He creates chances and very effective at doing that.

Anyway, back to topic, i think at the moment, nani, babel, robinho, messi, walcott, and me

This post has been edited by munky: Apr 6 2008, 02:14 PM

i think messi can do it. he got very talented skill to dribble. but he still younger than c.ronaldo

Something i totally disagree.

If you were to take Ronaldo off the lineup, the team will still play the SAME way if he is on the pitch. There are so many players that can do their own magic. Its either you are a poor analyst of gameplay, or you are commenting without watching how the team plays.

And i don't see how you can build a team around a person who plays on the wings. Everyone gonna build the ball towards the wing? Then what play for a corner?


and to people who says Beckham was overrated even at his peak is just plain wrong. The kind of passes he makes and goals he assist are unmatched by anyone during his peak era. Certainly his stlye is not flashy .. but is certainly effective.

This post has been edited by befitozi: Apr 6 2008, 03:23 PM

i disagree with u wo...as u said with or without CR man utd still playing the same way.yes i agree with u here but i would like to say is the whole man utd players are playing this way..it suits everybody they can attack and defend efficiently.As for CR,he and rooney are team up when they on the pitch plus hargreaves and nani maybe support them.What i see in man utd is wayne rooney,the way man utd plays doesnt maximize the potential of rooney...look at how he played in Euro 04 and when he was playing at everton?scoring and pushing the defender back to the penalty box.now?he is more on crossing passing and assisting rather than scoring...

its a way to maximise the player ability to win the game.
It is not build a team around a player.

Just like Arsenal years ago, without Henry they are dead
If Chelsea without Drogba, they would need to change their gameplay.
Without Drogba, u can't play high ball efficiently.
Shev and Kalou heading? u sure?

You take out Ronaldo, put nani or PJS in, the winger game still on.


And some saying that Ronaldo peak form gone soon, I wonder how you predict that?
More like sour grape to me.

for now...NOBODY......

Nani.......... i think nani skill is improving game by game....... Messi, his dribbling skill is marvelous....

Thats because they play as a TEAM now. players are not restricted to specific roles such as target-man, playmaker etc. Indirectly, what u are saying concurs with my opinion that ManUtd are NOT built around ronaldo

Lionel Messi la....
he wasnt performing that much this season because of injuries plagued...
but when he is fully fit, i bet you guys would love to watch him playing..

Ryan Babel also a contender..
despite playing a little bit out of position by rafa, he did brilliantly by beating defenders in HIS FIRST SEASON... now, beared it in mind, ronaldo didnt really has a chance to past through defenders in his first season...

just scored his 37th goals of the season

There are so many unfounded statements in this thread it's untrue. Ronaldo right now is the best player in the world. You can name whatever winger you want nobody has come close in producing the same end product that he has this season. Ppl argue about his lack of assists but when u score 37 goals who the heck cares. At the end of the day it's the goals that make the difference.

And you have to give credit to the boy. When he first joined Man Utd he was just flashy. But he has continuously worked on his end product to get to whr he is now. His determination and mental strength is actually his best attribute imo. And I'm no Man Utd fan.

haha like i say la.. if he not joining MU can he score 37 goals?

and i think its not fair to compare babel with CR.. babel is not natural winger.. he's striker before

At the moment, nobody. Ronaldo is virtually unplayable when he gets on his stride and theres no one winger who is even close to him in terms of form right now. Call me biased but he's a shoo in for World Player of the Year.

Credits have to go to his hardworkingness and determination. Ppl called him a one trick pony when he first signed... look at them eating their words now. And his courage, to stay in England and set the league alight week in week out after the World Cup incident with Rooney. A lesser man would have chickened out and moved on to other clubs.

Of course because of the way MU set out to play and the players he has ard him he's able to score more goals. But he would still have scored a fair share if he played for another team imo. Besides almost every great player must have good players ard him to be able to show his potential. It's the same for Torres for instance. Would he have scored as many goals as he has now if he played for a lesser team? Or if he didn't have Gerrard playing behind him?

hmm most people here already know the answer to the question posed in this thread..things would be interesting if robinho,robben and messi all have the same resistance to injury (this is a quality only certain athletes possess in my opinion, and many manutd fans fail to mention.i'd say true fans of football will most certainly take note of this priceless attribute) and played the same number of games..future challengers to ronaldo's crown that haven't been mentioned include diego capel and ben arfa (how could u guys leave these two out??!!fantastic prospects!)

you guys can name out 123456789 players
from A to Z

to be fair there are alot of Good Wingers out there
like you guys name it i dont have to say
BUT,
the ones that is CONSISTENTLY PERFORMING matches by matches is very few
the ones that is shining very oftenly is very few
yea some may say KAKA
yea some may say MESSI
some may say others
and the list goes on

but as for now, the one player that is really at his best so far...PROVEN BEST!
i hate to say it,cause im an Arsenal fan
its Christiano Ronaldo
i would be surprised if the best player award goes to non-other then this lad

perhaps next season would be others? we dont know,maybe kaka?maybe messi?..only the players can prove themselves in matches,meanwhile CR7 has proven he is the best CURRENTLY
so bow down to CR7
cause he is currently unstopable,results proven....we heard of it,we've seen it..now we have to beleive n accept it
who can deny that?correct me im wrong
IMO,no other wingers is performing as consistent as CR7,thus i would say no winger can compete with him NOW...even if there is,none is showing it,if there is... please enlighten me

this lad has been the Golden Boy for MU

c ronaldo could possibly be the best winger around, but sneijder, robben, vaart arent too far behind..

but best playmaker? erm no, that title belongs to king kaka.. XD

sneijder n vaart better when playing at middle role...

This post has been edited by vutsi: Apr 7 2008, 07:54 AM

finally someone said joaquin!! hes the best out and out winger...fullstop....CR is not exactly and out and out winger....hes more like a left / right sided forward...like robben....well if wanna say winger...there are plenty....jesus navas....why no one has said him...samir nasri is okay....so is quaresma......what about bastien schweinsteigger....very good left sided player to me....frank ribery.....malouda.....joe cole.....messi.....david silva....ryan babel...alot la.....

this thread is abit retarded anyway....coz the list of players listed for example like nani? whu the hell is he man when it comes to european football?? hes still not A-list for me....not in the same league as CR n the rest mentioned above...

yea im a bit NBTD here and thought could hav some retarded fun here....

Don't compare an attacking midfielder with a winger.
Don't go off topic.

Accept it, Cristiano Ronaldo is the best winger in the world, the best player in the world for the time being.

And the Liverpool fan said that "if Ronaldo not in MU, he not gonna score 37 goals". Now I wonder how long did Gerrard stay in Liverpool? How many goals he scored so far. U can't compare like this, both players on different role.

I watched the video compilation of Ronaldo, it said that Liverpool "ignore" Ronaldo when he was 17 at Sporting Lisbon, which "indirectly" let Man Utd have him a season later.

I sure hope Vela can give CR a run for his money next season.

To play winger system... full winger system .. is to built a team around CR.... regardless he plays or not you can't change a team formation overnite.. you have to replace that player accordingly... with the next best available option.

To play central attack like arsenal.. is to suit fabregas style of passing.... maximize his passing.....Counter attack when they have henry.. when he was younger...

You have to see barcelona... real madrid.... no matter who they got.. they play as required by the coach .. not otherwise... if not you are benched... dun play well even you are out of position.. you still get benched.

For example.. beckham.. went to real madrid... he has to play central midfield at times...

Raul.. full finisher... have to play support striker..or left wing...
Xavi at times at the right and at times in the middle.

Messi either as a forward or winger..

Henry.. striker or winger..

all these players have to do different function to suit the team strategy..

What the difference.. when you lose a player built around it, the team might not be as effective... you play to a team strategy.. players unable to maintain the form and consistency.

I beg to differ if you're saying United is playing around CR's ability. If you really watch United's game you could see that CR is more likely having a free role. And that is interchangeable either with Rooney or Tevez or Nani/Giggs/Park. He plays as a winger alright but he tends to run off with the ball or drift inside and change positions with the strikers.

But still, I wonder people still comparing AM with wingers? And everyone doesn't even highlight players like Ribery, Joaquin and others. In terms of quality, I think they are on the same level as CR does. It's just that CR scores more. Not to forget CR's compatriot, Quaresma as well.

Yea, I have to agree. CR cannot be compared to most Wingers cuz he plays quite high up the pitch, almost like a 2nd striker. Wingers tend to stick by the line and do defensive work at times. That is probably the main reason why CR scores so many goals because he usually finds himself in a strikers position. In this era of football it is pretty impossible for a 'real' winger to score 30 goals a season simply because the amount of emphasis put on running fullbacks have made wingers more providers instead of finishers. For example, you see the bursting run Patrice Evra makes every game, have a look. Who passes him the ball when he overlaps them, by right, it should be Ronaldo because he is the LM but it ALMOST NEVER IS. It is usually Rooney, Tevez or even at times Scholes.

This year is the year of Cristiano Ronaldo. If he cannot win Euro Player of the Year and FIFA World Player of the Year. That Platini and Blatter should resign cuz last year his opponents Kaka (lost of form) and Messi (Injuries) not even at Ronaldo's league this season. Just name me any players who have that consistency like Ronaldo this season?

1. Kaka? he is basically out of form
2. Messi? injuries most of the season
3. Ronaldinho? is he still playing football?
4. Fat Ronaldo? can he even run?
5. Totti?
6. Luis Fabiano?
7. Henry?



This post has been edited by beck_ken: Apr 7 2008, 08:56 AM

if CR having a free role.. or changing .. role.. it is because it is what he does best at there... nobody and i would say nobody can score 37 goals if they dun built the game around them... otherwise the goals would be equal distributed...

A left winger who doesn't work with their left flanks... run up to be a striker.. asking the striker to help out passing for the flanks backs to do overlapping.. dribble as he likes.. shooting at sight... rarely down defending..

compare giggs (young) and CR.. same ability.. may different style of dribbling.. look at their function... giggs is playing with the team... supporting as he should do as a left winger... not a left winger cum forward cum striker cum freerole.. that doing what he likes.... (I didn't say he is not good at what he is doing.. .....)


so when you do what you like and you still wanna win.. others have to support you.. that clearly shows team is built around you...

If you see CR suddenly have to play CM or holding midfield is the time he is playing with the team and for the team...
Rooney dun play well switching from flank to flank. Unless you say manchester is playing with 3 CR then you would say they are playing rotating system...

IT IS NOT LIKE CHELSEA where joe cole interchange with robben under JM... or duff or swp.. drogba still stays in the middle...

This post has been edited by ponomariov: Apr 7 2008, 08:59 AM

If there is one criticism I have of the English game it's that they are too rigid when it comes to formations. 4-4-2. Wingers must do defensive work and must stay wide. Strikers cannot be the one passing to overlapping fullbacks. No wonder they say "Football is a simple game but people make it complicated". Ronaldo IS a winger. Yes he doesn't track back as much but that's because of Man Utd's system. And it's not built ard him. Taking out Ronaldo out of MU; the system would still work but it just wouldn't be as effective. He is their best player after all.

The key reason why he has scored so many that so many here have ignored is because he has worked on his finishing unlike other wingers like for example Quaresma who works more on other things like crossing with the outside of his foot. Every winger is different and at the end of the day Ronaldo got it spot on by working on being more effective rather than just being flashy.

i like to remind you a certain fat ronaldo just play 1 World Cup in whole season but end up winning the World Player of the Year. i'm not saying CR dont deserve it, but sometime things like this happen

If its somebody who can even run Ronaldo close in the awards, to me its Torres. He's had a brilliant debut season and like Ronaldo is unplayable at times. The only downside to his game would probably be his inability to score away from home

ronaldo is godlike now lah...(dota style)...

joaquin?eeehh i disagree..he's struggling to even get a game for valencia now if i'm not mistakened...strangely enough,some people here rate him highly..even when on form,he's not exactly fantastic.really good maybe.he's overshadowed by da silva at the moment..always comes in as a sub..any valencia fans care to give their 2 cents?oh and ribery is amazing too!

I have to try to inject some sense of justice here. We are well aware that it is easier to get noticed when you are playing for not only one of the top clubs in the world, but also in arguably the most followed league in the world. Millions around the world get to see you play week in and week out. You generate a legion of fans and marketing giants like Nike pay you millions to get you to endorse their products, helping you generate an even bigger army of fans, if that is even possible. Whilst I do agree that Ronaldo is probably the best winger (no pun intended, Carlsberg) in the Premiership and maybe even in Europe, I would also say that I am in no position to claim that he is the world's best at the moment. Why? Well, i'll tell you.

How many of you religiously follow the EPL, La Liga and Serie all at once? When I use the word, "religiously", I don't mean tuning in only to watch the teams you like play. I mean you watch almost every game to the point you are able to give a fair analysis on most standout players. Heck, I won't even consider myself a religious follower of the EPL. Let's cross continents now into Africa and South America. How many of you have watched a full length match in any of their leagues? How many of you follow their leagues religiously? My bet is that none of you do, and neither do I. I rely on what is written in the papers and if my club is about to sign some unknown, I rely on them to tell me if he is good or not. I have not formed a personal opinion for I've never heard of this lad, let alone seen him play.

My point is that I see posters talking Joaquin, Van Der Vaart, Sneijder and company but how many have seen them play? When I say this, I don't mean you've searched out highlights of him on youtube. Some of you have even got their positions wrong. You watch Ronaldo play 100 times and you see a highlight of some kid in Brazil on the new for 5 minutes, and you are able to give an informed opinion? I therefore make my stand; Ronaldo is the best winger in the EPL at the moment and maybe even in Europe. In the world? Well, I have no idea really.

At last....

I see where u're coming from but I think it's widely accepted that the European teams are the best in the world. Even the best of South America are plying their trade in Europe. And as someone who does follow La Liga pretty closely I believe that my opinion of Ronaldo is largely unbiased. Many here mentioning Joaquin or Messi or Sneijder (who's not even a winger) have probably never even seen them play on a consistent basis. I have. And I can tell u without a shadow of a doubt that Ronaldo currently is better than any of them.

This post has been edited by verx: Apr 7 2008, 04:41 PM

How sweeet mate...

That may be true but it doesn't change what I've said; that many have not seen enough of other players to form a well informed opinion. You can tell by how some posters seem to have the positions of certain players mixed up. I do think he is the best I've seen at the moment but I won't go far as to say he is the best in the world at the moment. I assume we are making a comparison between he and every other winger in the world given the thread title.

CR is on top form now..1 goal in 1 game now...

But to be rational.. all the best world player each years are coming from european base league rite..

Zidane at his peak, eats C.Ronaldo for breakfast.

Which is my point if you read my post; it's easier to get noticed when more people are watching you play, by virtue of not only playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world, but also in the most watched league in the world. Can you, in particular even say you've seen enough of someone like Joaquin, Messi, Silva or whoever to give a fair analysis of them? I can't. You are buying into the fact that just because all the best players come from Europe each year, they are without a doubt, the best in the world. How then did Liverpool and Man Utd both lose to South American clubs in the World Club Championship? I have no doubt that the European leagues are the most lucrative, in marketing terms, just not sure if that means all the best players play there. In any case, I'm not objecting to that fact, it could well be true. What i'm pointing out is what I said at the beginning of this post.

there's no such thing as 'if' bro..

Nice 1. Got me for awhile.

the player dat can challenge CR should be Kaka or Bojan Krkic...

Bojan?? Kaka`?? u out of this world huh??

man-u best winger, it would be beckham in his prime. If prime-beckham ever play with chelsea this day, drogba, s'vko or ballack would be unstoppable.

It does makes sense if u put it like that but wouldnt everyone who won the award for World Player of the Year since its establishment in 19xx are not the best too during their tenure?The likes of Weah Platini or even Ronaldo (the fat one) on his peak cant really be considered as the best?

i agree with duke red's opinion...a very informed one i must say given the fact that yes,we do have to consider wingers from all over the world,plying their trade in their leagues without getting much exposure..its all up to the talent scouts really..if they see someone,they'll bring him to a bigger league with a wider audience,and suddenly he's the new superstar.but what about those that don't get picked up by the epl,serie A or la liga..then nobody would know about them at all.besides that..a lot of people here seem to be mixing up players' positions..which makes it difficult for people to take your opinion seriously when u don't even know the players' position on the field.getting the input of someone who follows serie A,la liga,epl and south american leagues would be interesting..but i doubt anyone has that much freetime

I really don't think the South American leagues are as strong as the European ones despite them winning more World Club Championships. Sure the results may have been unflattering for the European sides but the majority of the time the European clubs dominated proceedings but got suckerpunched by an odd goal. Barca and Liverpool were the most recent ones to have suffered that fate. Milan showed this season that there is a difference between the 2 continents when they outclassed Boca. A supposedly struggling Milan at that as well.

And I don't think it's a surprise really when all their best players move to Europe at a relatively young age. But you have to applaud at the rate they produce these talents.

Well said. Because of that not much free time or maybe the fact that astro doesnt show any other league beside bpl, seria a, bundesliga, la liga, etc. Well.. after all.. there must be the reason that they only show that leagues but not argentinian or brazil league or south african side league... that would definitely they are the best. beside the fact that south american club always defeating european club such ac milan, juventus.. not that there are the best. Maybe that the team doesnt play their best side or maybe just maybe.. they have luck with them.. try play 5 times.. they will hardly win the rest.

They may well be. What I'm pointing out is that many posters here are forming opinions on the likes of Joaquin, Wesley Sneijder and company without having seen them play on a regular basis. The opinion then become flawed, and one sided.

I mentioned earlier the case of Thierry Henry. Many posters will categorise him under the "relative unknown" category prior to signing for Arsenal. The thing is Henry was already a member of the French senior team while he was at Monaco, even before signing for Juventus and subsequently, Arsenal. Yet, many had not heard about him, and here is a player who was plying his trade in Europe, the Serie A, one of the biggest leagues in the continent. What are the chances then that these same posters would have heard of some obscure player from South America or Africa?

Another example is Dmitar Berbatov who scored 68 goals in 152 appearances for Bayer Leverkusen. I've read about him for sometime but never seen him in action until he signed for Spurs. How many can claim otherwise? Suddenly there was this new monster of a striker coming in from the Bundesliga, when he is already a household name in Germany.

Here is another hypothetical question; if Ronaldo were still playing for Lisbon and had not signed up for an EPL club, would posters here be claiming that he is as great as he is? I just believe that to some degree, we are all influenced by the fact that we follow the EPL and no other league.

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Added on April 7, 2008, 5:54 pmI have to say this; your comment is really naive. You are saying that they don't show the Argentinian or Brazilian leagues because they are crap? I've tried time and time again to take your posts in with a pinch of salt but this I cannot ignore. EPL matches are aired during prime time, and this has the highest viewership. In the early days of the EPL, Europe was dominated by Spanish and Italian sides, not English. The EPL was not the best league in it's infancy, now, perhaps. It grew because it was marketable and it now probably the richest league in the world.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Apr 7 2008, 05:54 PM

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Added on April 7, 2008, 5:54 pm

I have to say this; your comment is really naive. You are saying that they don't show the Argentinian or Brazilian leagues because they are crap? I've tried time and time again to take your posts in with a pinch of salt but this I cannot ignore. EPL matches are aired during prime time, and this has the highest viewership. In the early days of the EPL, Europe was dominated by Spanish and Italian sides, not English. The EPL was not the best league in it's infancy, now, perhaps. It grew because it was marketable and it now probably the richest league in the world.

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I am not saying that argentinian and brazilian league is crap.. i am saying that the bpl or any other european base league surely where the best player come from. despite the payer itself play from brazil or argentina or ghana as weah.. they all agreed that if they didnt play at europe.. thats will be the end. they will remain unknown and what so special being a footballer when u have the skill but u r unknown??? After all.. majority of us having expose to only these league (seria A, bpl, laliga etc) and not that brazilian/argentinian league. So whats wrong with that??