Something i totally disagree.

If you were to take Ronaldo off the lineup, the team will still play the SAME way if he is on the pitch. There are so many players that can do their own magic. Its either you are a poor analyst of gameplay, or you are commenting without watching how the team plays.

And i don't see how you can build a team around a person who plays on the wings. Everyone gonna build the ball towards the wing? Then what play for a corner?


and to people who says Beckham was overrated even at his peak is just plain wrong. The kind of passes he makes and goals he assist are unmatched by anyone during his peak era. Certainly his stlye is not flashy .. but is certainly effective.

This post has been edited by befitozi: Apr 6 2008, 03:23 PM

Thats because they play as a TEAM now. players are not restricted to specific roles such as target-man, playmaker etc. Indirectly, what u are saying concurs with my opinion that ManUtd are NOT built around ronaldo

Probrably it would come down to this question; would the player have IMPROVED as much as he did if he stayed on?. A players performance can vary if he plays for a different club. Comes down to training, coaches and facilities. Would Thierry Henry be as powerful as he is during his peak had not Wenger converted him into a striker ? Look at the amount of quality players that came from West Ham's youth system.

My point here is, to judge that a player is perceived as great due to media coverage from a famous club is somewhat incorrect. We'll have to look into what the club have done to improve the player. Posters can claim all they want, but it all boils down to performance.

well, Ronaldo has a pretty good goal/caps ratio.

and yeah with euro08 looming, if he performs even 50% of what he does now, it is good enough to certainly win him personal awards.

Simply because there are few clubs who have good training schemes. Furthermore, unfortunately for the local scene in england, these teams such as ManUtd prefers to take in young foreigners nowadays.

Perhaps its not wrong to say ManUtd's class of 92 were one offs.

In bigger clubs where scouting can be extensive through out the globe, talented foreigners can be picked up. Its not that in general foreign youngsters are better, but the fact that the extra talented ones which are rare gets picked up by a big club thus 'masking' talented locals. Same can be applied to why talented locals can't break into the first team because there are already extra talented foreigners taking up the places. Sometimes its whether these local ones are given a chance to break into the first team. Beckham and co. broke into the first team very young. These exposure gives them an edge in development and the fact that ManUtd actually sold off proven and experienced older players gives them more time to concentrate on developing those young ones. Like you said, when these youngsters move to a smaller club where they are relatively better than even the older players, they get the much needed exposure and experience. I don't know about players from other clubs which moved out and did better, but for ManUtd players l would be Giusseppe Rossi. Those that didn't watch Rossi during his time at ManUtd wouldn't know how good he was. Till he moved out. Immediately he begins to shine.

Of course not Ronaldo, he tormented ManUtd defence in Lisbon before he signed.

Even so, didn't you realised how much different his game was before and now?. This shows the effect of better development of a players from a specific club. Same can be said for Rooney. Before he joined ManUtd he gets more yellow cards then score goals. See the difference now. This is refferring to the earlier quotes of 'development of players in bigger/different clubs'

I don't know much bout players which improved in other clubs, any other clubs' fans can provide us with an example?