thank you for the reply =)

while you're still online, may i ask a question or two about shoulder exercises? (its my first HVT shoulder day tomorrow )

i've seen the video a few pages back on seated rear delt raises, and you mentioned something about the "sucking d***" position (what a name..). i recall seeing an exercise somewhere about that position, except that instead of lifting the dumbbell like a reverse bench press, it says to lift the dumbbell as if i was doing a reverse chest flyes. i plan on doing that tomorrow for rear delts, but i'm not sure if it even really works the rear delts or not.

as for the side lateral raises... i plan to execute it like this, that form looks better than the others i found at BB.com...

ok, i just did a search on BB.com and there is indeed such a thing as a reverse flyes ... except that it's not done on a sucking d*** position.

To those who never saw the most recent post.

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Added on December 10, 2008, 11:18 pmI do those also. I do all three for variety. I alternate them every shoulder workout. =)



This post has been edited by darklight79: Dec 10 2008, 11:26 PM

LYN gave me constant page load errors seconds before this post o_O

thanks man, u're like my sifu lol

bob's deadlift looks painful. 719 pounds!!

Shoulders 10th December 2008
Workout time: 45 mins with 2 partners

Smith machine shoulder presses
Warm up
115 lbs x 12
115 lbs x 12

Work sets
205lbs/90kgs x 10
205lbs x 9
185lbs x 10
155lbs x 12

Dumbell shoulder presses
50lbs x 14
50lbs x 12
50lbs x 11
50lbs x 10

Cable lateral raises
30lbs x 12
20lbs x 12
20lbs x 10
20lbs x 11

Cable rear delt pulls
30lbs x 12
30lbs x 12
30lbs x 12
30lbs x 10

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Added on December 10, 2008, 11:29 pmNp. Like I said, very very very few people in the world can pull those deadlifts like Bob Peoples. Heck if you and me tried that style we'd end up in the orthopaedics ward.

Apparently that style suits my friend.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Dec 10 2008, 11:29 PM

bodyweight presses? congrats! =) and thanks for the link too =)

show that picture to your friend. it might motivate him hahaha

This post has been edited by wallpaper89: Dec 10 2008, 11:30 PM

Heh... I'm 86kg. Those Smith presses were 90kg. More than bodyweight. I'm gonna try 95kg next workout or maybe i should start with db's first instead to avoid a plateau. I don't want to lose the momentum.

keep it up and your shoulders will love you more

I dunno man. My right shoulder had a bit of a problem ever since i started the flat barbell bench press. I've always considered it an ego exercise and I still will. But then it's fun to do it once in a while. But it feels better now. Maybe cos I laid of weighted dips for a while.

Okay, this was what I was trying to get



His upper back is curled which is apparently much harder than a straightened back, but his lower back is straight, which would be very important to prevent any injury or damage.

I don't think this was going on in that video you posted. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

You didn't read the last few posts or see the pics of Bob Peoples didn't you? He is built differently from you, me, that guy in the vid and almost everyone else on LYN. He is able to deadlift that way differently from you, me, that guy in the vid and almost everyone else on LYN without any risk of injury. Lol.

I read what you had to say, but isn't Bob Peoples' DL same as this guy's?

It's the upper back that's curling rather than the lower back. Apparently (reading from yootoob comments), Konstantinovs adopted the curled upper back to add weight to the bar because he couldn't do a straight back and up the weight anymore.

However, it should be noted that the lower back wasn't curled.

Couldn't see the entire part of Bob Peoples' lift, but it seems from the picture that only his upper back is curled and his lower back is straight.

This post has been edited by mofonyx: Dec 11 2008, 01:37 AM

Your right shoulder had problems, but yet you're still able to lift oturageous weights don't overwork yourself man lol.

Ok, time to edit. I was in a bad mood earlier. Look, I never said my friend's form is perfect. I never said it is the correct way to deadlift. But he is built differently. Differently from you, me and 99% of the people on this board. Get that into your head first, this is important. Which is why people like you and me HAVE to use the accepted deadlifting methods.

We cannot follow his deadlift style, nor can we follow Constantine's or Bob's and no, both of these individuals mentioned deadlift differently, i'm too lazy to explain or take a pic of Bob's backside when he's deadlifting.



This post has been edited by darklight79: Dec 11 2008, 12:59 PM

Nah, I'm not overtraining. I just think the traditional flat barbell bench isn't suited for me. =P

oh man, shoulder press more than bodyweight? that is freaking scary...i can barely press 30kg i guess..

darky, i have weak shoulders, and hence ditch isolation exercise such as lateral raise etc. i feel like the joints are cracking when i`m doing isolation exercise. Hence, i change my shoulder exercise to upright row and db shoulder press. what do u recommend?

thanks

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Added on December 11, 2008, 1:28 pmi hope that i can hit 400lbs too hahaha..but i seldom do deadlift but i have tried that day and i managed to deadlift for 115kg......super happy with it...but only managed for 2 reps, almost black out trying for the 3rd rep....HVT HVT!!


This post has been edited by Sp00kY: Dec 11 2008, 01:28 PM

It took a while but it was a pretty feel good accomplishment.

Your "joints are creaking" during isolation movements probably because you are using way too much weight. Do you know I use only the 25's or 30's for dumbell lateral raises? My heaviest was the 40's. You're not meant to go heavy on iso's and seriously, ditching lateral raises is the worst mistake you can do. It directly adds width to you shoulders. Most shoulder pressing movements hit mostly the medial, anterior and maybe posterior head but not much of the lateral delts. Lateral raises do that.

What do i recommend? Scroll back a few pages for my shoulder workout.

115kg is good. Keep doing it every 2 weeks and you'll catch up.

No probs, all in good nature big guy.

Legs 11th December 2008
Workout time: 55mins with 2 partners

Squats
Warm up
115lbs x 12
115lbs x 12

Work sets
345lbs x 3
295lbs x 8
225lbs x 10
225lbs x 10

Leg curls
6 plates x 12
6 plates x 12
5 plates x 12
4 plates x 14

Leg extensions
275lbs x 12
Full stack x 10
275lbs x 12
260lbs x 12

One legged standing dumbell calf raise
BW + 50lbs x 15 x 4

I notice that you don't have weight acclimatization to your workouts..

e.g. 110kg squat

20kg x 5
60kg x 5
72.5kg x 5
85kg x 3
97.5kg x 1
110kg x 5

Isn't it quite a shock to the system if you go from 115lbs warmup to more than double immediately for work sets? Would weight acclimatization be preferred?

This post has been edited by mofonyx: Dec 11 2008, 11:06 PM

Heh..... "instinctive training". I'm not fussy about warm ups. It depends on my moods.