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post Apr 23 2008, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Apr 23 2008, 04:42 PM)
Hey darkie,

I donno why but it does seem difficult to get past 50kg squats, I feel like I can't balance myself properly if I do heavier. Calf presses were fine though, today I managed to do 150kg on the squat machine....though my legs were like jelly the whole day today...


Added on April 23, 2008, 4:50 pm
Yup. Agreed. All the other classes are crap. If you wanna increase muscle mass, go and lift some weights, be it free weights or machine. I only like RPM for cardio as I think it is the most cardio-intensive among all the GroupX classes.
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Hey man. For the squats, there're many factors. One of them is your stance. The narrower your feet (as in the bodybuilding stance as opposed to the powerlifting stance), definitely the harder it is to balance. I don't go heavy on squats anymore though. Do you go ATG? I think as long as it's below parallel, it should be fine. It's very difficult to go ATG if you're on the bodybuilding stance. Nice calf presses though. =)


QUOTE(yeeck @ Apr 23 2008, 06:47 PM)
Read my post again Jones....it's 150kg of calf press using the squat machine....haha. I think I managed to hit 60kg before....but that was before I started my cutting phase. Now it seems like a plateau at 50kg.
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That might explain it. You're cutting. But then, if you cut properly, you shouldn't experience loss in strength, more like loss in endurance imo. How many calories are you cutting daily? Are you replacing your caloric deficit from cutting carbs with more protein and healthy fat? I'm not sure how you adjusted your diet. Need more details.

QUOTE(jones007 @ Apr 23 2008, 06:50 PM)
lol.. so to say ur calf is heavier then ur squat and u r wondering why izit?
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Hmm... no, it's natural to calf press heavier on a machine compared to freeweight squats because the stabilizing is done for him, I've experienced the same thing too.



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post Apr 23 2008, 08:02 PM

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Arms 23/4/2008
Hammer chins 2 x 8
BW dips 2 x 8

Dumbell curls (per arm)
50lbs x 8
50lbs x 5 (fukker, don't know wtf happened, i think my wrists are still fatigued from the deadlifting yesterday)
40lbs x 9
40lbs x 9
35lbs x 10 (much better, i almost started smiling again, almost)

Supersetted with:-
Skullcrushers
120lbs x 9
120lbs x 9
120lbs x 9
115lbs x 8
95lbs x 13

Machine preacher curls
8 plates x 10
9 plates x 10
9 plates x 10
9 plates x 10
8 plates x 9

Supersetted with :-
CGBP
185lbs x 9
155lbs x 10
155lbs x 10
135lbs x 12
135lbs x 12

Concentration curls
20lbs x 12
20lbs x 12
20lbs x 12
15lbs x 12

Supersetted with:-
BW dips
BW x 12
BW x 12
BW x 12
BW x 0 (muscular fatigue)

Comments:-
Mediocre arm workout. I'm still fatigued from my deadlift workout. Endurance PRs in db curls, poundage PRs in machine preachers and skullcrushers but experienced muscular and joint fatigue on CGBP, and last set of BW dips. I think i need a day off after heavy deadlifting.

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post Apr 24 2008, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(jones007 @ Apr 24 2008, 04:56 AM)
might be... but 100kg aint right, right? lol
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Well, I guess stabilizing's done for you. And maybe he's using a different leg machine.
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post Apr 24 2008, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Apr 24 2008, 03:57 PM)
I'm using the decline leg machine for the calf press (or should it be raises???)
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Doesn't matter as long as you're still getting in a great calf workout. =) Wei, you still haven't told me, how's the stance in your squats? And the diet change thingie.
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post Apr 24 2008, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Apr 24 2008, 10:24 PM)
Definitely below parallel...trying hard to be strict ATG. Legs as wide as shoulders. As for diet, no more milk for me (allergy issue), I've cut down on carbs but try to have more protein (eggs, meat, soy) as replacement.
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Bro, your goals are bodybuilding correct? IF you're using the bodybuilding stance (legs closer together), you don't have to go ATG, in fact, it's more dangerous to do so. Your main aim is to develop your quads, outer and inner sweep. When you get to advanced stages, going ATG may take you more away from your desired physique as the glutes get more emphasis than the quads. For example, some of Ronnie's squat vids, ever seen him go ATG?

And as for your diet, you're doing a good thing but try to get in a bit more carbs during pre and post workout times. And you need a lot of good fat too. Natty PB comes to mind.


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post Apr 25 2008, 03:56 AM

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QUOTE(LostInTr4nmission @ Apr 24 2008, 11:51 PM)
May i know, what brand of PB do you guys' use?
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Steffi's. That brand has no added sugar.

QUOTE(shanecross @ Apr 25 2008, 12:31 AM)
If you are saying the narrow stance, something like this? http://youtube.com/watch?v=dpzU14f80B8

IMHO thats a lil harder to balance, even without ATG. But then again, will you actually under develop your quads when squatting ATG wide stance?

Will you be also utilizing your front feet rather that your heels to get up?
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Yes, which is why in bodybuilding, weight does not matter. Contraction and mind muscle connection does. I don't go ATG wide stance. Powerlifting is not my goal. I've not done one rep maxes for a long, long time.
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post Apr 25 2008, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(kege @ Apr 25 2008, 01:10 PM)
aiyoh.. my place no carrefour. kk thanks. i checked jusco and giant dont have. JIF brand is pretty tasty but a lot of sugar i think. always got ants even tho its sealed tight. thats how sweet it is. had to keep it in a cabinet so those muthafuggin ants dont get at em  laugh.gif


Added on April 25, 2008, 1:14 pmbtw dark, do u workout your abs? mine are starting to look out of shape and i think they're rather small.. thinking of doing weighted ab crunches n stuff. what do u guys think? i've always only used bodyweight exercises cause i read stuff that u shouldn't use weights for ab work n stuff on bb.com.. but i'm not sure. thanks
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Yeah i work out abs on arm day but not many sets. I'm happy with a 4 pack. What matters is people see i'm a bodybuilder without me needing to take off my shirt. =) Not pulling it up all the time and say hey look at my abs. tongue.gif

And i guess not using weights for abs cos they'll cos the muscles to protrude outwards once they grow in size.
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post Apr 25 2008, 08:53 PM

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Back (Thickness oriented) 25/4/2008

Barbell rows
Warm up
Bar x 12
135lbs x 12

Work sets
215lbs x 10
215lbs x 10

205lbs x 10
185lbs x 10
155lbs x 12
155lbs x 13

Cable rows
16 plates x 10
15 plates x 10
13 plates x 11
12 plates x 11
11 plates x 12
11 plates x 12

Hammer grip pulldowns
100lbs x 12
100lbs x 12
100lbs x 12
90lbs x 10
80lbs x 14

Dumbell shrugs (per hand)
90lb x 15
90lb x 15
90lb x 15
90lb x 15
90lb x 12

Comments:-
PR's made again. Definitely better than last rotation here:-
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=16708071

The gym is gonna run out of plates for me on their machines very soon.



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post Apr 26 2008, 09:23 PM

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Legs 26/4/2008

Leg presses
Warm up
225lbs x 12
240lbs x 12

Work sets
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10
390lbs x 10


*Went to washroom to vomit for a bit*

Then continued with:-

Leg curls
4 plates x 12
6 plates x 10
6 plates x 10
5 plates x 12
5 plates x 12
4 plates x 15
4 plates x 15

Leg extensions
225lbs x 15
225lbs x 15
225lbs x 15
225lbs x 15
210lbs x 15
195lbs x 15

Calf presses on leg press machine
240lbs x 20
240lbs x 20
225lbs x 20
225lbs x 20

Comments:-
*Urp* 200 reps total on leg presses aren't fun.
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post Apr 27 2008, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(kege @ Apr 27 2008, 01:40 AM)
monster
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QUOTE(shanecross @ Apr 27 2008, 12:06 PM)
Damn, 20 sets. Sick legs big guy.!
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I was supposed to do just 10 x 10 of leg presses and at the end go for some db walking lunges but i didn't feel like it, so i opted for the extra sets of leg presses. Believe me when i say i'm not doing 200 reps again anytime soon. I'd rather increase the poundage on the next 10 x 10 and stick with that.
I had to drink half of my whey/dex PWO in the washroom to replace my electrolytes. It's not hardcore to throw up, but i just couldn't hold my food in. But the pump was beautifully insane. The veins were popping out on my quads.
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post Apr 28 2008, 01:51 PM

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Chest 27/4/2008 Low volume day (deloading?)
Time taken : 1 hour 20mins
Total sets: 25
Incline Dumbell Press (per hand)

Warm up
45lbs x 12
50lbs x 10

Work sets
100 pounders x 12
100 pounders x 12
Endurance PR
80 pounders x 10
80 pounders x 10
70 pounders x 10

Hammer Strength Chest Press
180lbs x 9
180lbs x 9
Strength PR
180lbs x 7
140lbs x 10
140lbs x 10

Dumbell pullovers
60lbs x 10
60lbs x 10
60lbs x 10 Endurance PR

Cable crossovers
50lbs x 15
50lbs x 15
50lbs x 15
40lbs x 15

Dumbell lateral raises (per hand)
35lbs x 10
35lbs x 10
35lbs x 10 Endurance PR
25lbs x 10
25lbs x 10

Comments:-
Definitely stronger in everything, sticking to the 100's for incline db presses for a while. I will not push the 110's so fast because of the risk of shoulder injury. As it is, getting the 100's into position is pretty difficult and i won't risk sacrificing form.

Comparison to last rotation's similar workout can be found here:-

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=16726908

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QUOTE(kiddc @ Apr 28 2008, 11:02 AM)
Hardcore monster.

I'd said you're pretty hardcore already since u can hold the puke in and not vomit while doing the sets.

But your leg workout gave me an inspiration to go 7-8 sets (or more) for my workouts. Thanks!
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Heh...Glad i could help your workouts in some way. The feeling to throw up wasn't there till the last 2 sets. The moment i finished, the feeling subsided but came up again when i took some water. It was then that I had to rush to the washroom to hurl.

Vomiting is catabolic, that's why i had to drink half of my PWO shake in advance. I'll update yesterday's chest workout later. I'm still feeling lazy. Thank goodness today's a rest day.
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post Apr 29 2008, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(shanecross @ Apr 29 2008, 08:33 AM)
Do you let your body do the talking when it comes to deloading and stuff?
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Yes. Everything is purely instinctual. I strongly believe in it. Too many people put too many absolutes into their training regime like making it a must to deload or back off every 3 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, 2mins and 45 secs, etc. If you keep making progress, why slow down the momentum? If you feel the gains are stagnating, just reduce the volume/poundages. Just make the necessary adjustments. Simple isn't it? Listening to the body is very important.

I don't aim for PR's, they just come naturally. I just write down in my journal what i lifted on that particular day and compare it to last rotation's workout. I mean, hey... if i don't increase poundages, at least i find i manage to get in a few extra reps or sets. It's still progression.
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QUOTE(kege @ Apr 29 2008, 03:47 PM)
hey dark, wondering how you deadlift... do you touch the ground with the bar lightly between reps or do u ground it completely and rest before the next rep?
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Touch the floor lightly between reps. =) Tell you what, I'll take a video when i next deadlift. I'll be warming up with a 315lbs for about 8-10 reps so you'll be able to see it when i post it up.
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Arms 29/4/2008

Warm up
BW dips 2 x 10
BW hammer chin ups 2 x 10

Barbell curl
135lbs x 9
135lbs x 8
135lbs x 5
115lbs x 10
115lbs x 9

Supersetted with:-
CGBP
165lb x 10
185lb x 10
195lb x 10
205lb x 7
205lb x 7

Machine preacher curls
11 plates x 7
11 plates x 7
10 plates x 7
8 plates x 9
8 plates x 9

Supersetted with:-
One arm db extensions (per hand)
35lbs x 10
30lbs x 12
30lbs x 11
25lbs x 12
25lbs x 12

Hammer curls (per hand)
30lbs x 10
30lbs x 10
30lbs x 10
25lbs x 10

Supersetted with:-
BW Dips[cool.gif
BW x 12
BW x 12
BW x 12
BW x 11


Added on April 29, 2008, 9:53 pm
QUOTE(gtoforce @ Apr 29 2008, 08:27 PM)
yo darklight
been so long since u last active in the threads all over
found out u've been lepakking here
just wanna ask
u said ghetto gyms are the best place to get big cuz people there all big and being around big people gets u big (supported by jones in one of yous people banters...  biggrin.gif )
im now in ghetto gym in wangsa maju
and all i see these big people eat are rubbish jugak
they smoke and if i go club with them, also minum
in workouts, they tibai aje (of course la they do the splits) but they just do whatever they can
lets say 5 workouts for chest
and 6 workouts for triceps
and within one year, they body gets big too without the necessary supplements

and i thought normal split is chest+bicep

any comments?
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Lol. The wonders of instinctive training. Much better than a pre-planned powerlifting workout don't you think? All that bullshit kippling pull ups for power and all that does nothing for mass. Basic, tried and true conventional bodybuilding exercises and routines are the ones which build muscle, high reps and high volume. It's Terry Gallyot's gym right? The Ultimate Gym?

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post Apr 30 2008, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(LostInTr4nmission @ Apr 30 2008, 12:17 AM)
Excuse me but where can we get dextrose?
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Glucolin
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QUOTE(yuktsi14 @ Apr 30 2008, 02:15 PM)
can u post some pic on the steps u carried out...
i could not understand....
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Go to bodybuilding.com and type out exercise guide in the search button.



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post Apr 30 2008, 08:24 PM

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Legs 30/4/2008

Squats
Warm up
115lbs x 12
135lbs x 12
225lbs x 10

Work sets
300lbs x 10
305lbs x 8
315lbs x 6

225lbs x 10
225lbs x 10

Leg curls
6 plates x 10
6 plates x 10
4 plates x 15
4 plates x 15
4 plates x 15
4 plates x 15

Leg extensions
240lbs x 12
240lbs x 12
240lbs x 12
255lbs x 12
255lbs x 12
255lbs x 12

Comparison to last rotation:-
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=16817711

Squats PRs broken. tongue.gif Awesome workout. I know i could've went heavier on the squats, 305lbs seemed so easy but let's take it slow and easy. Watch out for the next squat workout. Probably might add another 20lbs. I will hit 400lbs squat before the year ends.

Best part, i don't need no crappy Russian/Polish/German/whatever-country ya-call-it so called planned powerlifting program. icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 1 2008, 02:40 AM)
guys from both iron and the other, top gym (rm6) are all old customers to alpha gym
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Never heard of it. THey're both in Wangsa Maju right? The only gym i've been to there is the Ultimate Gym.

QUOTE(noxxing @ May 1 2008, 03:02 AM)
darkie!..it's me!..ego!

sorry for hijacking but i'm 77kilo's now and cutting already will post pics (in progress thread of course) in a month's time!
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Hey buddy! =) Great to see you again. Sure, looking forward to it!

QUOTE(bata @ May 1 2008, 04:02 AM)
sometimes people at ghetto didnt surf the net for info....they just did the training....oh well wink.gif
Chow
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Again, instinctive training which has been constantly drilled into my head by Terry, Hola Bola and Zethri.

QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 1 2008, 05:01 AM)
im giving myself one year to build up anyway...go gym 5 days a week
and some workouts which my gym mate (master in silat, capoeira & taekwando) did, i jadi macam PA
sumtimes, add what Darklight is doing...plagiarizing his workouts for certain bodyparts


Added on May 1, 2008, 5:15 amdarkie, wats the significance of doing more sets?
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Feel free to plagiarize my workouts. tongue.gif No problem.

More sets = my body responds to extremely high volume, and mroe sets with different rep ranges to target all muscle fibers. No point picking out 5-6 exercises and doing just 3-4 sets for them. I prefer to pick 2-3 good exercises and hammer the hell out of them with as many sets as possible to reap the full benefits of that exercise.


Added on May 1, 2008, 10:40 amSneak preview of chest and right delt. Full body shots in a month's time. =)

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QUOTE(felixlhy @ May 1 2008, 01:16 PM)
Looking forward to that picture brows.gif

Anyway, I have a question: In a split workout, is it advisable to go for compound or isolation? During my shoulder / triceps day, I'm doing shoulder presses for anterior delts but I've other workouts (skull crusher & pushdown) intended for triceps after completing the shoulder workouts. Should I go for front raise instead?
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Stick to shoulder presses. IF you must add an isolation for shoulders, go for lateral raises. No need to do front raises, your anterior delts get hit enough with chest pressing movements and normal shoulder presses.

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