hey guys,who know where can equid the new cps to old campro engine ?

ur mech can do it lolx , go get a CPS head , CPS wiring , CPS ECU ,
errr better go buy mivec CK engine for that money

Yeah, but with dat kind of money, u can get a much better engine...

Anything is possible with money. Go ahead and do it, let me know ya if can i also go do =p

cps is kinda hard unless u got too much money.. even if u too much money, it is still better to get MIVEC terbalik version as stated by above forumer
installing IAFM is more feasible

Of course can, but not worth it. To convert to MIVEC with cost around 10-11k for complete job. Non-CPS head without cams and all, just kosong metal block is 3k already, ECU for non CPS also if i am not mistaken is around 3K+ also, that 6k gone. Include cams, valve, valve springs, retainers etc etc, wire harness, rocker cover, miscellaneous seals. uou do the math

it can be done, but the amount of things u need to do and change...

so nope, not worth it for that 15 HP gain....

not worth the price for the performance gain...

not worth it...

better go for mitsu engine...

might as well u get higher lift camshafts installed, kao tim

even can do it, the feel of driving also will be different from the stock cps from factory which has gone through a lot of intensive testing ...

get Mivec la .. or GSR..

maybe can bolt a turbo as an alternative?

can.. boost 0.3 bar lo..

put supercharger lor, they already hav supercharged campro on the test in proton rite hehe

0.3 bar pray hard that the crankshaft doesn't snap.

What? Crankshaft snap?

Head to gen2Club thread.

haha.. lost faith to campro

HERE

Link's courtesy of Rcracer.
Better think twice before tryin 2 BOT dear friends.

Wah liao...crakced crankshaft

y lar wanna convert..juz sell ur car and get a new one instead

or u can spend close to rm8k to work on the existing engine to get 120+hp on wheel

true indeed .. i think with 8k more than 120hp could be obtain...
y want cps when can get more than that..
but if b'coz ur aspecting of fuel saving from the CPS then ...haih..dunno what to say

if change cam gear to adjustable like aerospeed
the crank pulley u mentioned that day
change air filter
the exhaust
wif a SAFC-Neo
do u think it can perform better than cps o even R3's neo?

Most economical way is to wait till somebody's CPS version Gen2/Waja totalled, and u go get the front half cut & perform transplant.

exhaust system, PNP cylinder head, cams, LCP + gear ratio, kao tim XD

Oops haven't include ECU yet too....XD

This post has been edited by shinjite: Mar 21 2008, 11:23 PM

port n polish the original cylinder head?
how to adjust gear ratio then?
i'm auto le~

ECU can use AFC neo?

Oh you auto ah, I thought u manual....

PNP, regrind ur cams to higher lift, ECU, LCP + drop in high flow air filter & exhaust mods. Should be okay already~~

Forgot to add, bigger TB and port your intake manifold to match

This post has been edited by shinjite: Mar 22 2008, 12:08 AM

buy new 1 n do engine trasnplant any diff?

can 1 b better den da other? will it affect the performance? FC?

TB? what is that?
dono how much HP can gain
if change to denso spark plug wif racing cables also?

Throttle body.

thanx for the info
i wan better FC la~
that's the main point i forgot to mention

hehe

stock Gen2 R3 already more than 115whp. add knn open port, polish head, drop in high cams....can fight already la

my aim is the R3 satria neo
more than 135 hp
huhu

not in production la

i mean mod to b faster than R3 neo
hehe

if its 135HP, its at the engine mind you
After calculate the losses....you will get in the range of 115WHP-120WHP

Dude...u want better FC yet faster than R3 Neo?

This post has been edited by shinjite: Mar 22 2008, 12:24 AM

lol
IMPOSSIBLEEEEEEEEE

change to MIVEC la or GSR....

edit : neo so light, gen2 don;t forget got boot leh. like it or not, you need 150bhp to tapau R3 neo, if it ever comes out. might as well pasang one B16A la.

This post has been edited by kev da man: Mar 22 2008, 12:35 AM

u will need a p&p head, fast road spec camshafts, exhaust system, lcp, retune the ori ecu, done-up gearbox and i'm quite sure u'll perform better than the cps or r3.......

With those mods, your car will definitely be faster then a standard cps. But what happens when the cps also do engine mods. Then you will be back to square 1.

Just my 2 cents.

RCrex, R3 Neo 135hp is on engine, not on wheel, on wheel probably 115-120 only. and the money you have to spent to win it is madness, btw don 4get your car is auto, i don think can do much different.

You can check out Satria thread, a guys named Sam, his Neo also auto, he do port and polish, hi-cam, exhaust, etc, but still the result is not impressive.

and, btw, why you go aim for that R3 Neo ? .. can you change your goal to something like Satria R3 or GTi ?

This post has been edited by terrorist: Mar 22 2008, 09:20 AM

I've heard that Neo tuned by speedswork is a lot better than r3..Is it true?

What about We campro install the IAFM like Persona?

iirc you need to swap manifolds, ecu and intake pipe. manifold bracket might be different too.

Auto sucks a lot of power....thats why...

yeah,everything can do it with money,money,money... $$$$$

Which is by current official workshop labor charges isn't going to be really worth it. I'd say doing tuning work on it with piggybacks is a better option together with changing driving practices.

And the CPS head, well for now unless someone churns out more aggressive cam lobes profiles for high cam mode, it's gonna be hard to justify going for CPS.

Wait for half cut...

that's the whole dilemma right now faced by campro owners who just got screwed

imo, u wan better performance, don think of any campro engine lol.. get a mitsubishi engine in..

but IAFM is feasible enough. its actually a separate module which bolts on to the original Campro engine with minor mods

That's why laaa. I'd say proper lateral thinking and tuning would fix some of the S4PH ori's flaws. One would be airflow characteristics since IMHO, that airbox system seems a wee bit pressure robbing (Can anyone verify this using a manometer measuring the beginning of the intake piping and at the inlet of TB?) as well as fuel mapping tuning

Isn't easy as that because therein lies a few questions:

1.) How much is the whole system gonna cost parts wise? (Manifold, ECU [hopefully one can use the original wiring loom and hook up a few extra external wiring], and necessary brackets)

2.) Will the job be covered under P1's warranty scheme? (If still under warranty la)

3.) How much labor time required?

4.) Will Service Dept. even sell you the parts?

why would u want to spend much money for std stuff when it could be spend on performance engines?

if its under warranty should be no problem. if its under warranty and owners can opt for a new CPS crate engine, then its the best case scenario. either that or get all the afflicted drivers to come together and class-action p1...if they have the resources la.

Better we file a clas action suit on a biscuit crankshaft then upgrade with IAFM or CPS

Case 1:



Case 2: More serious, pistons damaged oo





Case 3:





Case 1 and case 2 owners already transplant mivec, third case rebuilt with second hand crank

This post has been edited by rcracer: Mar 23 2008, 10:31 AM

persona using VIM rite instead of IAFM??...

dont waste your money like that, better go n buy the whole car with cps engine.............or twin cam or vtec.............

Better just change car altogether, mod little bit oso cannot take already. Engine probably costs less than the gearbox to manafacture.

was the job done correctly? everybody claims to do p&p, even monkeys with a die grinder can do it but to do a proper job, u'll need to flow the head. as for exhaust, there is some calculation involved, get it right and u'll hit the jackport, get it wrong and u'll be in the shitport as for a modded cps, even when we race in the malaysian super series, variable valve cars have to weigh in at 1000kg, non variable valve cars can weigh in at only 800kg........

I fear my exhaust setup is in a shitport

Last update i read from other forum, one owner preparing case to kick proton's teeth in with someone's help.

wanna light weight my neo u mean ar?
if i drill a single hole on the car sure my dad will headshot me

ekekekke... before ur dad do dat, u do.... hehehehe.. just joking bro..

maybe b4 i wanna post my excitement here then i adi report on newspaper -.-

not to say lighten ur car ler, he is just telling the min weight requirements for Variable valve cars compared to non-VV cars. 200kgs is a lot of difference....

how to lighten?

drill holes on everywhere u can

Especially the chassis the more holes the better confirm damn light