Here's something to share,
recently surveying for a HD player, but now after all the HD-DVD format obsolete, blueray has finally win the battle and make me considering buying a new BD player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjRn_MAW8c

after watching this youtube, i'm considering buying PS3 for blueray purpose,
is the only player that can firmware upgradable to blueray profile 2.0 or future profile.

if you spend RM3999 for Sony Blueray Player, why don't you buy a RM1xxx PS3 with 40G 60G hardisk inside.

just my 2 cent. peace!

peace dude, but i dun think tis thread is really needed, no?

Has this been discussed b4? i have search all the forum for this but haven't got 1, just found a good youtube just want to share with you guys.
btw, for a HD idiot like me, will the BD Player like PS3 downscale 1080p/1080i to my small 32" LCD TV for 720P? i'm not as rich as the youtube guy which has the 50" LG LCD TV

no need to downscale by the ps3
just output @ 720p will do

PS3 is not officially confirmed as a Profile 2.0 player yet, you won't know about it until the next firmware update but honestly, the PS3 can't even stack up again some standalone blu-ray players as the standalone players have dedicated DACs for video and audio whereas the PS3 is a software player, the standalone players are more pricier for a reason.

What is the advantage of having profile 2.0 player anyway compare to the current?

some internet connectivity and auto update features....actually I am not interested in those....

But as of software updated, the firmware can be homebrewed!
so features can be enriched by doing so...

but for a budget blueray player, i think PS3 is the most valuable player at the moment
you can't get an official PS3 @ malaysia, but there are already been here for parallel importers, waranty is only the matters.

How to downscale? automatically by HDMI detect the LCD TV?
now only watching HD via PC output on 720P, keen to try a blueray disc anyway

why u tok like PS3 just launch yesterday one?

Nope but i believe nobody just buy the console only for blueray playback isn't it?

u wrong , got ppl buy just for bluray playback

Ok, i post here just to invite any PS3-Blueray Player enthusiasts to show opinions and satisfactory of BD playback, pros & cons.
I'm not here to bring debates here.

no debates here lar

got another official bluray thread, but tat one in console couch under PS3 lar

good info

so how much is a cheap reliable ps3 player out there? sg wang can get? reliable?

Not me I guess, I still play games on my PS3. Now waiting for BDP-S550 blu-ray player from Sony.

yes, and one of them is me! haha

i wouldn't say PS3 is the best valued BD player out there because of its entirely depends on your situation:

a) "I-just-wanted-my-movies-to-look-damn-nice-on-my-new-hdtv kinda guy"
then PS3 will become the best value yet. Price of RM1300-1400 is the cheapest blu-ray player available in M'sia. This valid because this person may not consider HD audios (DTS HD MA & DD TrueHD) to be decoded or make important.

b) "Im-a-audioholics-with-a-lot-of-green kinda guy"
then PS3 might not be the best player yet. Because you wants all the HD audios to be decodes by your receiver. To do this u need a bitstreaming capable player. There is a rumor news that PS3 able to bitstream these HD audios, but not confirmed yet.

c) "Im-a-audioholics-with-short-of-green kinda guy"
then PS3 will may be or not become best player. It entirely depends on your hardware. you may need receiver that has the capability of accepting & processing PCM sources from the BD player. In this case, BD player must have the capability of decoding HD audios internally and output it as PCM; PS3 is the best bet and best value and also easily available in our beloved country. But mind you, PS3 only capable of outputting DD TrueHD as PCM; DTS HD MA only gods and sony knows when.

sorry for the lame reply. I use this formula to get started in HD worlds

This post has been edited by apisgogo: Mar 4 2008, 08:35 PM

*slowly raising hand up* I am buying the PS3 solely for BD playback. The possibility of playing games is low as I am losing interest in it. My PS2 has been left untouched for almost a year.

I could not afford to buy a standalone BD player, which is obscenely expensive for peasant like me Unless the price nosedive to what HD-DVD player is being sold at the moment (fat hopes for now)

Why no one answer my question geh....

Heh..Me also ler..bought PS3 for movies and games...movies first

Why ? Because i hate astro grain on my 42 full hd screen..didnt even suscribe to astro..waiting for DVB broadcast then only suscribe...therefore buy PS3 to watch blue ray everyday..thanks to Mr Tora, i get to watch so many blue ray..LOL

This explains why XBOX 360 is selling more games than PS3.

i aslo go for BD and get PS3

hehe

tat proves my point

can the PS3 play DIVX or XVID Files?

yes it can, but not entirely

I have the PS3 as the center of my HD Home theater set up

However, I'm quite dissapointed that it cannot bitstream out Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA.

Hmm.

what u mean by this statement? mind to explain?

It's a gaming console at heart, it's not meant to replace a standalone BD player. Honestly, the upcoming Sony BDP-S350 player will be value for money at USD400, lets hope it sells for thousand plus in Malaysia and not RM2,999 like the current, BDP-S300 model here.

when it comes

maybe i sell out my PS3

sunauto,i think for USD 400, i rather buy online
msia @ least also sellign for 3k and above one

jimjim, it means it can play some, and it cant play some, understand?

if the receiver can just handle dts-es or dd, will it detect dolby truehd or dts-ma??

i guess one has to upgrade the receiver to a newer model to support these new audio formats rite?

hmmm....non-stop upgrade...maybe for now i'll just stick to my dd5.1 and dts...hehe

typical trend in malaysia to sell AV gear high prices instead of realistic global pricing.. wat to do, got people buy mah..

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Added on March 5, 2008, 1:05 pmafter hearing DTS-HD or LPCM or TrueHD, DD just won't cut it anymore.. even on a low end Aego 2.1 there is a remarkable difference...

This post has been edited by ar188: Mar 5 2008, 01:05 PM

ar188 datuk sri

really tat KENG for DTS-HD or LPCM or TrueHD?

can pinjam ur amp to chuck into my peasant setup & trial ar?

*preparing antitode*

why la whan to chuck your amp? even with analog RCa out can hear the difference wat?

They're lucky, if we have those parallel imports, I guess Sony Malaysia won't be overpricing their products here. Like handphones, if without AP sets, the Ori prices won't be that reasonable. Lets home that there are more parallel imports to flood the market so that we can get better bargains.

yeah lor... when you take into account the BOM (bill of material) cost of phones like rm150-300 and sell at 1k price.. that's just crazy...

what if im by circumstance C), by vanity A) but by interest D. D) being i like to "kick, kill, blowup & drive over innocent bystanders kindaguy" - gaming la ofcos !!!

i guess to me, the PS3 is the mother of budget bluray! - its the BOMB

now if it can only be mod'd to ahhh...hemmm... ... ....

anychance Xbox is selling more cos its mod'able for homebrews..... & O ya having a years head start dont hurt either

ps:i mite be wrong here guys but based on history & esp that Bluray is king, prices will start to do the Titanic-2step-dive once more mfgrs get into the game. Goodtime to pull for your fav made-in-china boyz to start the Cloneswar

This post has been edited by scottiebabie: Mar 5 2008, 01:29 PM

With a profile of 1.1, I think Panasonic DMP-BD30 is a good buy.
Not available in Malaysia?

This post has been edited by jwyj: Mar 5 2008, 01:26 PM

Been waiting for PS3 to upgarde its firmware.

Megatron, the temptation of the new sound format is killing you eh?



Checked. Panasonic does not bring in it yet at the moment. Maybe in near future.

This post has been edited by htkaki: Mar 6 2008, 09:17 AM

sony has announced two profile 2.0 standalone BD players with the same price as the PS3 models but the standalone players have MULTIPLE high end features that the PS3 does not have. "PS3 being the best BD player on the market" will be a thing of the past soon

i mati kao kao here

they said ps3 will decode DTS MA via Multic PCM out


fuyooo

till then ... PS3 is the cheapest BD player in the market

That is true until the Cap Ayam blu-ray players from China hit the market.

I wonder when will that be?

very soon

i bet 12 months

Who knows, maybe they're already on the way to Malaysia.

is the DVD upscalling quality better on the PS3 better compare to normal dvd player ?
what is the price for the PS3 now? if buy now will it be possible to modify later when ahem blue ray game out?

This post has been edited by jimjim: Mar 6 2008, 01:32 AM

cannot be so fast gua .... but early stage the price i pressume is 50% off some thing like 1k++

wont be like 200-300RM per player

Aiyo ...... why you always think of pirate games aje, buy a second hand one lah, here got many ppl selling original used games, the price is quite reasonable. A blank blu-ray disc is RM80 like dat, you think you're going to pay that amount for a pirate game?

If got also, the most Profile 1.0 player aje, Cap Ayam players normally are stripped down versions.

btw, can the ps3 play ahem dvd?
curious, why ppl say PS3 has yet to be launch in malaysia? but we can already purchase it?

This post has been edited by jimjim: Mar 9 2008, 12:12 AM

it worse than cheapo dvd players..

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/dvd-player-...ps3-fw-2.1.html

"Our cadence tests consist of very high detail test patterns. Some may call this a disadvantage for some players, but we've always used the same patterns for our tests, and we've seen a wide range of results regardless of price point. Nearly every player I test has no issues at all with some of the more basic tests, such as de-interlacing content with perfect 2-3 flags. Since even most inexpensive DVD players are flag based, this test is passed nearly 99% of the time.

The Sony PS3 continues to have extremely poor results in our SD DVD tests. The fact of the matter is, it just cannot lock onto a high resolution test pattern for any of our cadence tests. This is worse performance than we see with even sub-$50 players at your local big box store. One could argue that the player will probably do just fine with real world content since it probably doesn't have as high detail as our test patterns, but I think that argument would mainly come from those trying to justify their purchase. If I can get nearly every DVD player out there to pass these tests, why won't this one?

Like most game consoles, the PS3 is not what I would call a preferred video playback solution for standard DVDs. However, it is far and away one of the best Blu-ray players on the market today and an outstanding value for those looking to add HD support to their home theater system. But I would still recommend a higher quality stand alone DVD player for the more demanding home theater enthusiast."

IMO use the PS3 as Bluray player only lah... why want to use it for DVD. Play DVD too much will risk spoiling the lens then problem lor...

all item have lifespand.... just use normal/hdmi player for dvd lah

the BD lense also got lifespan ger

they were refering to one of the test " cadence test"... don't think a normal lay person knows what is a cadence test also..

aris sifu

wat is tat ?

tak faham also

2:3 pulldown flag, if you miss the flag (each interlaced movie should have proper flags to tell the player which frame to use to reconstruct back a progressive frame), then the deinterlacing goes wrong, you will see more deinterlacing artifacts.. i.e. like hair combing artifacts etc..

if you watching unker ho movies, I think most of the flags are wrong, unless they did a 1:1 transfer (say like ISO or NRG file) (highly unlikely since they would have to he houdini to fit 6-8GBs DVD9 into a single layer 4.7GB disc)

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Added on March 11, 2008, 5:50 pmmany players usually fail this test (on difficult scenes on test DVDs), but most did not really show up as severe video artifacts in real world DVD watching experiences anyway..

This post has been edited by ar188: Mar 11 2008, 05:50 PM

New Blu-ray 2.0 spec makes PS3 the most future-proof player

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080...oof-player.html

How about above statement?

I think shouldn't obsess to much about going profile 2.0..

the main movie of what ever profile we bought plays as advertised.. that's most important.. other 1.1/2 extra features are secondary..

fuyooo..the 2:3pulldown thingie so important ger?? KENG wor sifu




btw..how to test it on peasant sammy DVDP?

Getting a HQV disc to benchmark your player will do the track.

Yup, thats true Right now theres many upscaling DVD player at very cheap cheap price.....

Personally I think that usually electronic items prices will fall down once the manufacturers decides to produce it in bigger quantities, so at this moment PS3 shud be the entry level BD player, unless for those BD enthusiast with lotsa moolah, of course they will hunt for the ultimate player.. peasant like me usually waits for the right time to bite the cheese.

what is blu ray 2.0 profile anyway? as i understand the current PS3 is only profile 1.1? if i buy now, can i enjoy the 2.0 profile later when it's release?
looking forward to own a PS3 but not sure issit the rite time now?

This post has been edited by jimjim: Mar 12 2008, 01:41 AM

actually, no need to worry about it being entry level, the PS3 pretty capable with running with the best BD players out there (exception for not able to output DTS-MA) it's already the BD player of choice for high end installs (meaning custom home theaters over USD100k..)

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Added on March 12, 2008, 10:46 amnet access and 1GB storage (does that affect your main BD movie experience? I think not)

This post has been edited by ar188: Mar 12 2008, 10:46 AM

Still PS3 is the best viable option that peasant like us have at the moment. Praying hard that Sony upgrade its firmware asap

agree 100%.

at least decodes the HD audios internally and pass it our thru PCM HDMI.

all except DTS-MA

DTS HD MA?? got ar?

Guys, can someone show me a link for a better understanding of this BD stuffs and how to setup a affordable home theater system? I wanted to invest, but nid to do some homework first,

If it could do both, that will even be better, via PCM or Bitstream. Hopefully, a new model will have such specs, you'll never know what Sony is up to.

bro u can PM HTKAKI Sifu

he can always give u a good deal

I assume Jenn77 is setting up a HD HT system. The crucial factor,; What's your budget for this?

Hehee.. just did yea.. tq for d quote.

U've got PM bro..

I ve replied ur PM. Btw, if have time, do drop by KLIAV Show (25 - 27 Jul)

htkaki open a booth there?

No. Might be dropping by to meet up wt dealers and distributors only.

if you are into console gaming then the PS3 is your best choice for BD movie watching. If you are not interested in console gaming, I suggest that you wait for Sony's profile 2.0 standalone BD player which will be priced SRP at $399 and $499. The $399 model is capable to doing DTS HD MA via Bit Stream where as the $499 is capable of decoding DTS HD MA. Once the Sony players are out, I believe we will see cheaper profile 2.0 BD players in the in the market from Sharp, Philips and probably Samsung and LG. The price is extremely expensive now considering NONE of the BD players are profile 2.0. Meaning you will not be able to profile 2.0 features in some BD movie.

Conclusion, get the PS3 if u r into gaming. The PS3 is capable of being profile 2.0 via firmware update. If not, wait for profile 2.0 players to hit the market. If you are not interested in extra features, please also, wait! once 2.0 players are out, profile 1.1 and 1.0 BD players will hit rock bottom. That will be the time to buy

Also, to listen to hidef soundtracks of Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital TrueHD, DTS HD and DTS HD Master, you will need a receiver capable of decoding all the above mention tracks. There is a thread on the Yamaha receiver that is capable of doing so. There is also a thread on the ONKYO receiver also, capable of doing the same

Finally, your TV. to view HD sources at its best, please equip yourself with a HDTV (preferable HD Ready with the built HD tuner - its NOTHING BUT WASTE OF MONEY in the case of Malaysia! we will NEVER get free to air HD channels and you dont need HD Tuner for Astro or U Television because their Decoder will do the job for you. My advise - get a >47" full HD 1080p TV or 1080i/720p for size from 32" to 46".



Yamaha Receiver thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/632630
Onkyo receiver thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/502447
Sony BD profile 2.0 players thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/641283

This post has been edited by g5sim: Mar 15 2008, 07:29 PM

Thanks for the speedy reply and details.. hope to meet u some day.

Ohh yeah.. actually Im not in the hurry to get any BD players, LCD and so on.. some research and guidelines from fellow enthusiast here.. Its either going to be next year or so.. because I just move in to a new place and need to settle down first. I already have a PS2 at the moment, seldom touch it due to bz working.. come home prefer to watch my 21 inch tv.. (so pathetic!) I know that prices will drop sooner or later, now I just need to follow the thread and keep hoping to hear good news.. Anyway, I wont hesitate to get some of the BD Titles that I already saw in Amazon.. really tempting.. very boring watching those (Ahem!) Dvd's.. the effects is just not there.. anyway thanks for the kind attention again guys...

Many of the regular audiophilers here know that the "highlighted part is not pathetic at all" . There is at least one people who is in a more pathetic situation than that

Good advice ....

but sadly... no way 2.0 profile player come in malaysia at tat price

Yes, I bet it will secures premium price tag

Honestly, 1.1 Profile is good enough if your main purpose is just to watch the BD movie, some interactive features might not appeal to some people.

but at over $350 - 1.1 players are still over priced. the price will sure drop when 2.0 players move into the market

so u wait again until BD2.0?

then u said BD3.0 coming ?

2.0 is optimum spec which will be equavalent to the now defunct HD DVD format (it has the specs from day one). So dont anticipate anything more than profile 2.0. Many anticipate profile 2.0 because we have seen what it has done to HD DVD



can import mah. Will start a BD player price thread when the first profile 2.0 standalone player hits the market. There are ways to get BD players or HD DVD players (if u r still interested ofcourse) for that matter! Order online using Maybank Amex via E-globe to purchase the players from online US retailers. E-globe will give you a US shipping address. E-Globe will then reroute the playerst to Malaysia. for a HD A30 player for example, the shipping is free in the US and only <>US30 to malaysia via standard 5 business day shipping and express shipping of <>US60. Take the upcoming Sony 2.0 BD player for example: $400 + $30 = <>RM1500. Sony sell the current chapalang profile 1.0 BD players at SRP $3999 in Malaysia. How much is the PS3 again here in Malaysia?

ah.... the waiting game....

wahh so good ??

no tax when masuk KL ??

anyone knows where can find Denon DVD-3800BD in KL??? Is it available in the market now???

fuyoooo ELITE

perghhhhh ... very2 rich



This post has been edited by tHeRiDdLeR: Mar 17 2008, 10:35 PM

E-globe? Never heard b4... can't find in google. Similar to forwarding services.

Maybank amex only?

This one gotta pray lor, it depends on luck but if the sender can under declare lagi baik lah.