The storyline is still stagnant. What was the initial aim of the CB? Stop all wars with gundam intervention. 25 episodes is reaching its end and there's still no indication that their plan is working. Yes, the 3 factions might have attempted to unite themselves to fight CB, but at the end of the day they are still fighting , i.e. having war. This means that the CB's aim is nowhere near accomplished. Well there are still another 25 episodes to go in season 2 so they have plenty of time to rectify it, yet at the way things are developing, their mission seems lightyears away.

If anything, the 3 factions were evenly strong before this and hence balance each other. There was relatively "peace" amidst the power struggles. CB is supposed to "unite" the 3 factions by forcing them to work together, but at the moment all they did was to create never-ending wars. The appearance of the trinity trio was dumbfounding, are they on Setsuna and co's side? Or are they an enemy? And now two of them are dead which means they'll be pretty much useless (like Heine).

Again, some might not like the comparison of 00 to previous Gundam series be it AU or UC, but I have to use GW as a comparison here since their concepts are pretty similar. By episode 22 of GW we already know a lot about OZ's and Romfeller's political stand as well as the Colonies status amongst the entire chaos. We also saw how the entire world situation changes as OZ went up to space and gained the upper hand by turning the colonies against the gundams. Classic move, Lady Une.

I'll leave UC out of this just in case anyone shouts UC-fanboyism without even thinking.

Like what redeye said, there are a lot of redundancy in the plot and can be left behind. Most importantly, the concept is not well utilised

I won't say too much about character development here since it's not exactly the selling point of 00... I'll compromise for that. The truth is, almost everybody apart from Setsuna has near-zero background info and they are quite one-dimensional. And despite having a prominent background Setsuna's development has been relatively static.
"blindly involved in action" = OMFG EXIA PWNS !!! EXIA IS TEH WIN!!

"Criticising to no end" however is a harsh term. If something deserves criticism, there's absolutely every reason to do so. If you think I'm one who criticises 00 blindly then you are wrong. I love to review gundam series, and if you have followed the old threads you would have seen my reviews for the ones I've watched - Zeta movies, 0080, 0083, 08th MST, CCA, GW, GX, and even the novels. I criticise parts which I think it could be improved on, as well as hail the areas that are well developed. What's wrong with that?

OK, fair enough, there is a storyline but as mentioned above it's not well elaborated. We still don't know the REAL motive of CB (which I don't think it's as simple as stopping wars), and most importantly what's the role of the Trinity dudes (except selling models)?

00 could use more character development like the way you put it, and I would also like to know more about Graham and Patrick. At the moment they are merely soldiers who are obsessed with beating gundams... again, one dimensional, not unlike Jerid.

As for GS, the whole concept of Naturals vs Coordinators is interesting... If you can look away from the blatant similarities to 0079 in the early 1/3 of GS, it's actually quite well done. It only spiralled downhill when Kira became god after obtaining Freedom; and started to think that he is God and capable of stopping all wars without killing.

Again, I must reiterate (so that fanboys doesn't swamp me with replies) I'm not b*tching 00 for the sake of b*tching, I'm merely pointing out areas that fall short of expectations and should be addressed in season 2. Most importantly this serves as a reminder that our beloved gundam animes can easily turn from potential greatness into utter crap like how GSD did. We wouldn't want that to happen to 00, would we?

I dunno if you been watching bad subs, or no subs, or if u understand the story....or maybe u never watched episode 22 yet which reveals almost everything bout CB.

CB's goal is to eliminate war through conflict. In ep 22, it is revealed that CB's plan has been this all the while. Aeolia and Veda's plan has been the same all this time. No "JUST AS PLANNED" as we theorised in the beginning, quite thankfully. Even the meisters were confused if their destruction was part of the plan. When their GN-drives were unlocked , they realised they were Aeolia's backup plan so their destruction wasn't part of the plan.

From ep 22, we know:

1.) Aeolia earnestly and sincerely wanted world peace and created CB and Gundams for this purpose.
2.) Allejandro and his whole family has manipulated CB for their own needs. They want to rule the unified world and use the CB technology for their own means. I accidentally read some spoilers that will be revealed later more about the Corner family and their involvement in CB.
3.) Trinity, GN-X, Lagna Harvey and Allejandro basically are rogue elements not existing in Veda's plan, thus spoiled Aeolia's plans for peace. In ep 20, you could see that if CB continued interventions without these outside interferences, they would've gained peace by now. But then there will be no more story to tell if this was the case right? So comes in Allejandro and his treachery. Story continues.

Thus i disagree the story is stagnant. The story is moving. You somehow aren't realising it?
Its a cold war. Cold war does not equal peace. If anybody started a small fight, the world will suffer. CB wanted to defuse the delicate bomb before it explodes into full scale global war, by 1st being the common enemy of the 3 nations, and also to deter them from starting any conflicts by marshalling them like a guardian angel. Thus CB acts as a judge, jury and executioner to "scare" ppl to be at peace.

Trinity was made by Allejandro and his faction and isn't part of Veda's plan but team trinity themselves don't know this. They are made more as a distraction and deterrent to the original CB team. You realised that CB couldn't carry out any interventions during Team Trinity's interventions....and also their interventions spoiled Sumeragi and Veda's plans.
Real motive of CB, i mentioned above. It has never changed. At 1s ppl was confused if there was an ulterior motive but there isn't. Trinity, also explained above. As a distraction for CB.

And about 1 dimensional characters...i guess this is one show where its plot driven. Not character driven. The characters are all just small pawns to portray an epic story. I know that lately the trend is to make character driven anime where god-like characters are very developed where the whole plot and story revolves around 1 or few characters, but it seems with 00 its going back to anime's roots and making a more plot-driven story where each character is just one cog in a giant machine.

I guess u can call it 1 dimensional characters but to me it is just a different narrative form.
I personally felt the Naturals vs Coordinator bits COULD have been interesting but got bored with the theme because you don't feel the troubles of the world due to this issue. Coordinators are just minority gifted people who are being bullied by a bigger (jealous) race. Think Nazi vs Jews. If they made it this way like show how the coordinators are being oppressed, how they want peace, and how the naturals are not stupidly "KILL ALL COORDINATORS" i think the story would be way better. But too bad its just a "LOL I HATE YOUR RACE SO I MUST KILL U" and the coordinators "YOU ATTACK US SO I ATTACKU U BACK!" kinda story. They could even show on Orb how Coordinators and Naturals live a very peaceful life and how they get along with each other but this was all downplayed cuz why?Cuz the plot revolves around Kira F*****g Yamato and Shin F*****g Asuka.

First of all, kudos for bothering to discuss along. And I must say it is an eyeopener and it's about time someone gave a good insight of 00 from a different perspective.

Thanks for the explanation of the storyline of CB, maybe I was a bit harsh in saying that the storyline was stagnant... but my opinion still stands that there are still quite a lot of uncertainties which should have been better elaborated. I don't agree with CB policing the world to attain peace, especially by having only a few gundams. Few vs the world... no way. There must be some agenda behind CB, or at least that's what I hope to see. And from my perspective, CB only managed to shift the focus of conflict towards themselves instead of truly attaining peace which is the original idea. 

What I wish is a smooth flowing storyline for future 00 episodes, instead of shifting the focus too much or dragging too long on a particular issue. At the moment this flaw still exists.

That is what happened to Gundam X in the middle of the show where random factions just popped up and messed around. The main plot only surfaced after Garrod went up to space and the establishment of Earth Federation, but it was too late to round up the story. What I wouldn't want to see is that they keep on focusing too much on the battles that eventually there just ain't enough time to wrap up the story.

Character development wise, let's just leave it there... Maybe my wish will come true in season 2 when more is revealed.
All I can say is that stories without a main character which is fully developed is not a true story, it's more of a documentary.

As for GS's racial cleansing, I think it does reflect our society in certain ways. Nazi vs Jews is one example that you brought up, the others would include Serbs vs Bosnians, Russians vs Chechnya, Israelis vs Palestines etc. Since we agree on the part where Kira's godlike powers hogged all the focus and hence losing the original concept, our debate regarding CE ends here.
First of all, Tallgeese is not a joke. It's the only unit that can stand vs the Gundams. Something like Graham's Flag when he pwned the Throne, but Graham still got pwned by the Gundams early on. The Antarctic Duel as I've always criticised, is thanks to Heero's plot armour.

W's grunts are free frags, unless the story line requires them to beat the gundams. Same with 00. Same with CE. Same with some UC series.
The only worthy point here is that W's grunts were shown exploding in more ridiculous ways, but all grunts are equally free frags in any series unless circumstances arise.

By "one antagonist" you I assume you mean Zechs. Leave aside the fact that he is a direct Char clone, he is more dynamic and complex than any of the 00 antagonist right now. Hence in my earlier post I did express my wish to see Graham or Patrick to have more development, or even personal agendas of their own.

I disagree that W developed faster and smoother because it only had one opposing faction. Yes, initially it only had OZ, but later on the colonies turned against them, plus Romfeller plus White Fang together with the remnants of Trieze's defunct OZ. What determines smooth storytelling is the writers' capabilities, not solely on the number of factions. Wing does not revolved around the main gundams and OZ... it revolves around politics. And in politics, there are no permanent friends or foes. Side-switching happens all the time.

Kira's soap drama... I actually liked a Kira who can cry. He cried because he had emotions. He cried because he was fighting his friends and his own kind. He cried because he realised that lives were being lost without purpose. He cried because he is human. Stagnant characters are those in GSD, where no one matured/changed/developed.

Fighting random gundams back and forth... isn't that what happened in 00 as well? In GW as well? In GX as well? In UC as well? As long as the battles made the characters grow, I don't mind. Kira grew as he fought, the most important step in his development was him "killing" Andy, and also his battle with Athrun. OK... things went downhill after Lacus corrupted his mind with pink dust and godly powers. I blame the writers here.

About comparison with other Gundam series, sorry... no can do, since it's gundam after all, and there's bound to be comparisons as it carries the legacy of the Gundam name. If 00 was not included in Gundam then maybe I won't compare. But comparisons serve to highlight 00's pros and cons, which is something that we truly need in forums such as these, not "GRAHAM IS GARRRRR" type of posts.

Good discussion for today.
What's the next topic? Anyone wants to start?

Here's hoping for better Gundams ahead.

Oh I see.

Well for me I don't think bipedal MSes will be useful in the near future. Legs are too exposed, while the centre of gravity is too high. Not practical. Future large scale warfare (hopefully there will be none) will be fought in sissy ways where armies shoot each other with cruising missiles while sitting 10000km away in the command centre. Then there's the aerial bombing to clear everything on the ground before ground troops move in. MSes are way too large and costly...

Never mind. There will be a newtype coming
NO. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

This is such an eyesore. Angmohs should not be allowed near Gundams.