no such thing. Just say you can't cope up w/ chinese ed so you changed to Eng to hope for better one but you phailed anyway.

Then that's the problem of the people who do not know how to embrace their roots. People not speaking their own mother tongue mostly happen naturally, such as not growing up with it, etc, not because they see it as "rural", "crude", or "peasant-like" like you did.

I don't see how picking up a new language means abandoning the previous one. Let's take your point as an example, let's say i see the Chinese language as rural, crude, and peasant-like, must i stop using it just for the sake of using the so-called "better" English language? Of course not, i will still continue to use and learn it so i can use it whenever needed or necessary in the future, alongside with having wider knowledge, vocabulary and point of view. But let's just say that it can only be accomplished by a more intelligent person with larger brain capacity, not a root-betrayer and vain person like you.

And no, just to let you know, i'll never acknowledge English as the so-called "language of intelligence" (that you mentioned a few months ago) because i know many non-English words that do not exist in the English dictionary.

Who are the majority and who are you to represent the majority? Things like that don't happen around me.

Define the "one-sided situation".

It's mostly the case of Chinese people change to English-Eds and stopped using their mother tongue (The Chinese language), due to their perception of how "rural", "crude", "peasant-like" it is.

How many English-Eds have changed to Chinese-Eds and actually stopped using the English language due to the perception of how "bossy", "arrogant", and "know-it-all" the language is?

So you're one of them.

Let me give you the simplest answer, because many idiots with no self-dignity are over-obsessed and influenced by the western media that they see everything western as superior, when it's not even true. Not surprising anyway, i'm talking (writing) to one now. It's really no different than some people wanting to be Korean because of the so-called "Korean Wave", not knowing that Korean celebs are mostly product of plastic surgery. To these people, One word: Phail.

Existentialism? In a language? Wtf? I believe Dickson made a post that's more than enough for you to understand.

You've no idea how many westernized Chinese are more than willing to learn their own language if they're given the chance or they wish they've the ability to speak it in the first place. My sister and i are one of them, and it's also the same reason why my parents sent to me to a Chinese tuition when i'm young. They wish that i've the ability to speak and understand my own language although they themselves do not have that ability. These are people who only pick the good thing about western, not someone who think everything about the west is superior.

The number of Mandarin speakers worldwide is more than twice the number of English speakers. You may argue that it's the population, but let's say all Chinese speak Chinese, then again Chinese is only 1/5 of the world's population, which means only less than 1/10 of the world's population speak English. From this we can conclude that most people still speak their own mother tongue and not resort to English.

I frequently hang out with Indians, Malays, Arabs, Westerners of various backgrounds. Simply because we have our medium of communication : English.

Now as for the Chinese educated people, who prefer to converse in solely the Chinese dialects, they cannot do this because they either don't feel comfortable speaking English or are segregating people via language. Why is this so?

A different form of mental colonisation and defeat, e.g Chinese men wanting to suck white cocks better.

Nope, it's not the "Western mentality" that sensible people are offended by, rather it's the self-hate and self-loathing that people like these have.

This same self-hatred and loathing is disguised by some mighty high falutin ideals and notions of superiority and inferiority that serve but one purpose: to cover up the hatred of the self and the deep sence of psychological inadequacy and identity crisis, and to piggyback on what this self-hatred deems superior in a vain bid to feel better and more superior also.

If it means sympathisation with the aggressor, then that's what these sellouts will do. If it means shitting on their own people in order to get into the good books of another, that's what they will do also.

This is what you do, Deadlocks. Who are you fooling? Who you are is plain to see, your fancy words do not hide your actions.

I really don't care about most of the things you say and for the most part I'm really quite happy to leave things as is. It's your life, and I shan't meddle by debating the finer points of your philosophy. We have fundamental differences and these will surely clash on many occasions.

The issue is thus not whether the differences exist and can lead to conflict, but how to maintain harmony and mutual respect even with the ever present potential of conflict.

But sadly for you this matter is non-negotiable for me. If you shit on my people, be prepared to get shit right back on harder. It's only just, don't you think?

The arguement of Ce vs Ee will never end, even in 100 years to come.

One asserts supremacy on the other group.

dickson and deadlocks, aren't you both eng ed??

In my observation.....

More Ce people trying or willing to learn English than Ee people trying or willing to learn Mandarin or other dialects.

I think.....sometimes, multilingual pays. Some Ce people said English = arrogance (language), and the other way round, some Ee individuals (from my circle) thinks that speaking Chinese = cheap.

I'll bet that most of your experiences with racism came only from Chinese people, that you were made to feel like an outsider just because of your language, and this type of discrimination is so irrational that it will surely deeply mark a person.

But I'll bet that you've never seen Chinese people being killed, hurt, harmed just because they were Chinese, never seen Chinese people fail to be promoted because they were Chinese, never seen them mocked openly in public for who or what they are, never seen them put in subordinate positions, never seen Chinese women feted for the sake of golden cheebuy fetish sex under the cover of racial kumbayah even while the men are mocked and dehumanised, and the list goes on and on.

We have been made targets of racism even before you were born, but you don't see that. You cannot see beyond your own experiences, all your talk about recognizing "soul" is shallow and filled with lacunas and blind spots you don't even realise exists.

But I suppose that you are pretty much alike most others. We tend to repeat the things we have been taught most dearly.

Debbie is Chinese Educated and talking with her has never been a problem. In fact I enjoy it. The difference is thus not between English or Chinese education, but who is a fu.cknut and who is not.

I had to agree with dickson in one point that chinese ed and english ed is not a problem for people to get along, the problem is those narrow minded individuals who think they're greater than the other ed to mix with them.

Why less Ee individuals study or learn Chinese (dialects and also Mandarin) than Ce individuals study English?

I felt, firstly, for some of them, learning Chinese is harder, due to characters (thousands for average use).

Secondly, some perceive that they don't need to learn it because mass media, internet are mostly in English, even here in our country.

You want to communicate? Then start with a language the other party understands. Start talking about things they already understand. From there, build a bridge for an exchange of ideas.

If I spoke Pidgin English with the barest effort to communicate more effectively, does it make sense for me to expect you to crack your head just to decipher what I mean?

Basic common sense, Deadlocks.

It would also help when its readily apparent, and requires no special knowledge or understanding to see the significance and relevance of what is being communicated.

If you want to be understood then you strive for clarity. But if you want to appear mysterious and wise, you can try for obscurity.

Which do you want?

Chinese educated people are not stupid. If there are people among them you want to communicate with, perhaps you should start finding out more effective ways of communicating.

That's good because that's the whole objective. For you to have been there, and for you to have read what I said.

Even the term "banana" may came out of ridicule, hehe.

tell me about his mental colonization

lazy, can just tell in 1 post? xD

Let see...

School + language + environment = package A = mentality.

That's quite something, and my respect for you has increased a notch. You are at least capable and willing to take a stand in real life, and the importance of that cannot be understated.

However what purpose did your debate with such people achieve? It might be more useful to talk to the ones who are willing to explore things.

That was just ribbing but everything above that was serious. You know where I stand and now at least I know you're not what I assumed you were.

You hardly mention those things here, in fact I've never once heard you talk about it. Does that reflect on where your focus actually is?

bad boy dicky. Since when chinese can be westernized while taiwan dramas are all over the place even in pirated CDs just to promote their fairy tales and idiotic thinking?

E-ring vs Mobile World

Anything different?

Both of these are magazines.

One in Mandarin, one in English and you can notice the difference.