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 TARC 高级文凭 is recognised by government NOW !, Annoounced in NEWS ! Is it Adv Diploma ?

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post Feb 22 2008, 08:51 PM

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can u provide me the link? Advanced Diploma is equivalent to Bachelor Degree but not with Honor.

Most of the company do not accept the Advanced Diploma as a degree. They will treat it as normal diploma only.


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post Feb 22 2008, 09:06 PM

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for business and accounting is recognized quite sometime ago by alot of company...but for mass communication...nah...especially graphic design..tak kenal langsung
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post Feb 22 2008, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(crazyguuy @ Feb 22 2008, 08:37 PM)
TARC 高级文凭 is recognised by government NOW !
This is announced in 8TV 8.00 pm NEWS

I am TARC X- student, I just wonder I graduate about 9 month ago. (June 2007 graduate wit Advanced Diploma in Financial Accounting )

Is my Advanced Dipploma in Accounting is recognised ?
Bcause I heard those that graduate after this announcement ONLY are recognised, not the B4 one !!
Advanced Diploma is recognised as what ? Equivalent to Degree ?

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I think they don't don't mind on this one,coz you just 9 months ago only...
Are you plan to continue your study on degree??
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post Feb 22 2008, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(DragonMebius @ Feb 22 2008, 09:35 PM)
I think they don't don't mind on this one,coz you just 9 months ago only...
Are you plan to continue your study on degree??
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I got UK Sheffem Hallam Degree la, TOP UP degree, but not recognised by governmet

I wan to apply for school teacher biggrin.gif
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post Feb 22 2008, 10:31 PM

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hmm, realli, i've never heard of the degree/uni, dun think it's a "top UK degree", but do u mind 2 elaborate further y izzit a top degree?
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post Feb 22 2008, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Feb 22 2008, 11:31 PM)
hmm, realli, i've never heard of the degree/uni, dun think it's a "top UK degree", but do u mind 2 elaborate further y izzit a top degree?
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he just did a short course to upgrade from adv dip -> degree in UK because in UK, adv dip = degree already
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post Feb 22 2008, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Feb 22 2008, 10:31 PM)
hmm, realli, i've never heard of the degree/uni, dun think it's a "top UK degree", but do u mind 2 elaborate further y izzit a top degree?
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U can refer to www.tarc.edu.my for further info smile.gif
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post Feb 22 2008, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Feb 22 2008, 10:31 PM)
hmm, realli, i've never heard of the degree/uni, dun think it's a "top UK degree", but do u mind 2 elaborate further y izzit a top degree?
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top up degree,
not top uk degree
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QUOTE(zidane01zidane @ Feb 22 2008, 10:33 PM)
he just did a short course to upgrade from adv dip -> degree in UK because in UK, adv dip = degree already
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Adv diploma != degree.
I believe the top-up is not MQA aka LAN recognized (this need to ask azarimy).
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sigh........another election 'goodie'.......like dogs fighting for scraps under the table........how many years tarc in existence now?
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post Feb 23 2008, 04:50 AM

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well, good for TARC then wink.gif.

i will need to wait for the official news published on the news, coz i cant watch 8TV. i'll reply after i've got some reference on it. but in my opinion, TS' adv dip should be recognized bcoz the recognition is a process quite similar to accreditation, where group of experts and authorities assess the school's abilities and the quality of its graduates.

if it just got accredited, it means it just assessed the last graduated batch, which is TS' batch. TS and all batches below him should get automatic recognition. i cant say for sure for previous batches.

cks2k2,

no, malaysia still do not recognize any top-up degrees.
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post Feb 23 2008, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 23 2008, 04:50 AM)
well, good for TARC then wink.gif.

i will need to wait for the official news published on the news, coz i cant watch 8TV. i'll reply after i've got some reference on it. but in my opinion, TS' adv dip should be recognized bcoz the recognition is a process quite similar to accreditation, where group of experts and authorities assess the school's abilities and the quality of its graduates.

if it just got accredited, it means it just assessed the last graduated batch, which is TS' batch. TS and all batches below him should get automatic recognition. i cant say for sure for previous batches.

cks2k2,

no, malaysia still do not recognize any top-up degrees.
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But, my younger brother is graduate in TARC June 2006 , so his certificate not recognised ??? blink.gif NOT FAIR ! biggrin.gif
And his academic result is just excellent, top 1 % in the course.
(he also wan to apply for teacher, then two brothers can venture into education business)

Not FAIR la, at least recognised from June 2006 onwards la .... My pity young brother!!

TARC existence , "Tunku Abdul Rahman College (TARC) was established on 24 February 1969 under the leadership of the Malaysian Chinese Association (MCA)."
So, its 39 YEARS !!

Quote from THE STAR page 3 ,
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"MINISTER DATUK MUSTAPA MOHAMED said in the statement yesterday that the programmes had been approved by a permanent committee on evaluation and recognition of qualification chaired by him.
The Advanced Diploma programmes are considered equivalent to a GENERAL FIRST DEGREE from a recognised institution."

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to be fair, u should ask TARC how many times they've applied for accreditation. the diploma got accredited fairly quickly. UTAR didnt have a problem in accreditation at all. heck, other colleges didnt have much of a problem getting accreditation at all!

alot of people make fuss about why TARC didnt get accreditation for its adv diploma. they should ask:

i. how many other adv diploma courses in malaysia that is accredited?

ii. how many times did the accreditation committee came to assess the adv dip of the school in those 39 years?

i'll give u a hint. it's the advanced diploma certificate that's the issue, NOT who owns TARC.
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ha~...got this news too when i read the star online today.The Star

Im a graduate on 2006 batch too...i felt unfair...hai~...is there a possibility to auto convert the previous batch?..i will call up sbs and ask..coz im planning to go for the 3 months top up programme...
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government said only ma..after ur job application they reject u lol >.< ..if tar so good..UM no need to be there liao
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post Feb 24 2008, 09:16 PM

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tell you what.. unless you are financially low, DO NOT opt to study in TARC.... if you planing to do a degree go to a real university instead... advanced diploma is only recognised ad diploma only... sorry to say
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QUOTE(vicdd @ Feb 24 2008, 09:16 PM)
tell you what.. unless you are financially low, DO NOT opt to study in TARC.... if you planing to do a degree go to a real university instead... advanced diploma is only recognised ad diploma only... sorry to say
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I dont see anything wrong to study in TARC.
In fact, i do reccomend ppl to study there.
Accredited/Recognized by gov is NOT THAT important unless u wanna go into gov sector.
I only can comment on IT courses in TARC which i think not a bad choice for anyone to go into it.
Why spend 30-50K for a degree if u can get around 10K in TARC?
Anyway degree is only a permit for you when u step into working world. After a year or so, NO ONE CARES!
Only ur experiance will be valuable.

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QUOTE(shockwave @ Feb 24 2008, 09:29 PM)
I dont see anything wrong to study in TARC.
In fact, i do reccomend ppl to study there.
Accredited/Recognized by gov is NOT THAT important unless u wanna go into gov sector.
I only can comment on IT courses in TARC which i think not a bad choice for anyone to go into it.
Why spend 30-50K for a degree if u can get around 10K in TARC?
Anyway degree is only a permit for you when u step into working world. After a year or so, NO ONE CARES!
Only ur experiance will be valuable.
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agree. I dint see anything wrong to study there too...except the bad management and some lazy lecturers...others are jsut fine. Business course like ACCA there are good...most ACCA graduate are from TARC.
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QUOTE(vicdd @ Feb 24 2008, 10:16 PM)
tell you what.. unless you are financially low, DO NOT opt to study in TARC.... if you planing to do a degree go to a real university instead... advanced diploma is only recognised ad diploma only... sorry to say
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QUOTE(shockwave @ Feb 24 2008, 10:29 PM)
I dont see anything wrong to study in TARC.
In fact, i do reccomend ppl to study there.
Accredited/Recognized by gov is NOT THAT important unless u wanna go into gov sector.
I only can comment on IT courses in TARC which i think not a bad choice for anyone to go into it.
Why spend 30-50K for a degree if u can get around 10K in TARC?
Anyway degree is only a permit for you when u step into working world. After a year or so, NO ONE CARES!
Only ur experiance will be valuable.
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QUOTE(fiolsn @ Feb 25 2008, 12:09 AM)
agree. I dint see anything wrong to study there too...except the bad management and some lazy lecturers...others are jsut fine. Business course like ACCA there are good...most ACCA graduate are from TARC.
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post Feb 26 2008, 10:31 PM

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If its equiv. to degree? Why should they just put it as degree instead of Adv. Diploma...

The reason is simple... either the module u taking is basic and not reach a limit of degree level or it really meant for Adv Diploma only!!!

Keep in mind... Advance Diploma is TOTALLY Different from Degree!!!
Degree is higher level than Adv. Diploma, if u say d same... den why this Adv. Diploma still exist and claim it as so call or equiv. to Degree Level?!
Thats wat make it a difference that Advance Diploma is TOTALLY Different from Degree!!!
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QUOTE(ukiya @ Feb 26 2008, 10:31 PM)
If its equiv. to degree? Why should they just put it as degree instead of Adv. Diploma...

The reason is simple... either the module u taking is basic and not reach a limit of degree level or it really meant for Adv Diploma only!!!

Keep in mind... Advance Diploma is TOTALLY Different from Degree!!!
Degree is higher level than Adv. Diploma, if u say d same... den why this Adv. Diploma still exist and claim it as so call or equiv. to Degree Level?!
Thats wat make it a difference that Advance Diploma is TOTALLY Different from Degree!!!
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A college can not offer its own Degree, thats why TARC offer Advanced Diploma.

A University can offer Degree, like MMU, UTAR, UNITAR.

And, yes, since JPA saids it equivalent, that it so !!
ACCA/CIMA is not a DEGREE, but is equivalent to honour Degree under JPA system.
So, u might argue than ACCA/MICPA is lower than Degree ?

U know how tough Advanced Diploma IN Financial Accounting (AFA)is, there is always 40-50% failing rates.
And Advanced Diploma in Financial Accounting can claim maximum exemption from ACCA, which some Degree CAN'T even do so.
Even INTI Accouting Degree that course RM 50K can not claim max exemption.
Therefore,since AFA course is recognised by International Board like ACCA. is Malaysia standard higher than this international board ?

And I have to admit that, my TOP UP degree programme is SO MUCH EASIER than Adv Diploma..

This post has been edited by crazyguuy: Feb 26 2008, 11:14 PM
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u cannot use the argument on ACCA bcoz ACCA is a professional qualification. regardless if u have any other qualifications, holding an ACCA is a license to practice. this is the reason why ACCA is recognized as an honours degree. all other professional qualifying degrees have the same recognition from JPA.

advanced diploma, on the other hand is recognized as equivalent to a general 1st degree. it does not carry any professional qualifications. JPA recognizes it as a degree so that u can get higher pay, not bcoz u could perform as a full qualified professional with the same degree.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 26 2008, 11:28 PM)
u cannot use the argument on ACCA bcoz ACCA is a professional qualification. regardless if u have any other qualifications, holding an ACCA is a license to practice. this is the reason why ACCA is recognized as an honours degree. all other professional qualifying degrees have the same recognition from JPA.

advanced diploma, on the other hand is recognized as equivalent to a general 1st degree. it does not carry any professional qualifications. JPA recognizes it as a degree so that u can get higher pay, not bcoz u could perform as a full qualified professional with the same degree.
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TOO Bad untill Now, I still did not get a pay raise, since I got a general Degree & a honour Degree.

I got 2 Degree NOW !! But, pay still sucks ~ sad.gif
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where are u working? government or private?
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But Erm U can use those Top Up degree right if u were to work in a private company?
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QUOTE(ukiya @ Feb 26 2008, 10:31 PM)
If its equiv. to degree? Why should they just put it as degree instead of Adv. Diploma...

The reason is simple... either the module u taking is basic and not reach a limit of degree level or it really meant for Adv Diploma only!!!

Keep in mind... Advance Diploma is TOTALLY Different from Degree!!!
Degree is higher level than Adv. Diploma, if u say d same... den why this Adv. Diploma still exist and claim it as so call or equiv. to Degree Level?!
Thats wat make it a difference that Advance Diploma is TOTALLY Different from Degree!!!
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That is so not true.
Some Adv Diploma is equivalent to Degree even though u didnt get a Degree.
Some Adv DIploma is not really a Degree which i agree (such as those adv dip with only u can get in 1 year).
If i'm not mistaken College CANNNOT confer degree to student. Only University can do so.
FYI TARC Com Science Adv Diploma consist of 2 papers for each subject.
So, during exam, morning u'll be sititng for external paper (Degree from US) & afternoon u'll be sitting for Adv Dip paper for the same subject.
At the end of ur 2 years, u'll get 1 Adv Dip from TARC and 1 Degree from US university.
IF u still wanna get another degree, u can top up 3 months @ Liverpool Johnmoore University in UK.

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QUOTE(Eisenmeteor @ Feb 27 2008, 07:26 AM)
But Erm U can use those Top Up degree right if u were to work in a private company?
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Added on March 31, 2008, 11:33 pm
QUOTE(crazyguuy @ Feb 26 2008, 11:53 PM)
TOO Bad untill Now, I still did not get a pay raise, since I got a general Degree & a honour Degree.

I got 2 Degree NOW !! But, pay still sucks ~ sad.gif
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wat job u r?
advanced diploma salary 100% lower than degree d?
if A ppl got degree and ACCA then B ppl got adv. diploma and ACCA,izit they are in the same level once they hv ACCA?

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QUOTE(TeRz @ Mar 31 2008, 03:31 PM)

wat job u r?
advanced diploma salary 100% lower than degree d?
if A ppl got degree and ACCA then B ppl got adv. diploma and ACCA,izit they are in the same level once they hv ACCA?
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in that case, both A and B will get the same salary because of ACCA. as i've mentioned earlier, ACCA is a professional qualification and it is an international standard. so once u pass ACCA, it doesnt really matter which path u took, bcoz all the industry cares is ACCA and nothing below it. so if guy A took the fastest route straight after SPM and acquired his ACCA by 21, while guy B took some other course, changed into something else, and finally decided to take ACCA by 35, both of them will get the exact same salary, assuming they both start at the same time and had zero experience.

 

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