okay let me stop u right there. i shall explain my position for u to be REALLY clear about what i'm saying.
i'm an architect by training and profession. i'm also a lecturer of architecture. i also hold a masters in virtual environment which involves alot about programming and digital architecture. and finally, i'm currently in my final year of my doctorate, specializing in architecture education, which hopefully by the end of next year makes me a specialist in educating and developing an architect.
now lets go over ur points:
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Okay these shows that u have your own displine but its not generally an architect discpline isnt?
yes, it shows my discipline, but also any architect's discipline. it's central to the architecture discipline, which i've explained briefly.
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Hello there.. manga artist for example need to complete their work within a specific time too.. artist also need to obey time limit u know.
Every student need to complete anything within deadline... programmers, architect, artist student all are same in this case..
i never said others didnt work by deadline. dont add things that i did not say/write

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architects ARE measured by deadline bcoz if they couldnt complete it, it's still can be measured. which is difference from other courses, where if u cant finish it, u FAIL. an incomplete work cannot be measured/graded. there's a big difference here.
also, regardless of working or studying environment, people arent gonna wait for the architect to produce his BEST design. that'll take forever, coz the stop point of work is deadline, not perfection. artists would prefer to stop at perfection.
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time is not everything, knowledge is the one who determine whos the best. btw, FYI the design of KLCC (only the design) are not created by an architect which is by Tun Mahathir.. its design is actually a islamic square which is famous in masjid grills when looking from above. He meanwhile only need pencil and paper to design it.
mahathir did not design KLCC. it was design by the cesar pelli, an argentinian architect based in the US. he specializes in hi-rise buildings bcoz his firm also houses a number of engineering experts. the usage of the islamic pattern is also caesar pelli's idea, which mahathir agreed upon. mahathir suggests that it has islamic image to it, which pelli interpreted by using the pattern. feel free to find books on caesar pelli and read about him.
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as I said before everyone works within time. But in this case You and I are clearly different because Im assuming you are working now isnt? Im meanwhile am a student who dont have experience with real job situation yet. Archive the best within time only applicable when u are in working situation which is true only for the work which is related to the job.. not ur hobby or drawing or cooking or anything. Im asking u now do you really apply ur "architect attitude" to any work u do? Cooking within lets say 4 hours limit, or cleaning house within 4 hours limit?
we do everything within a time limit. life has a limit. architects just made this central to their life. architects are lateral thinkers, they juggle between numerous tasks in the same time. usually architects work with 3-4 different projects simultaneously at different stages. if u dont work within the time limit, u just wont be able to function.
yes, i'm working. but the architecture education is actually very similar to architectural practice. architects learn by doing. the design studio is a direct simulation of the architect's office, bcoz the best way for us to train an architect is actually to dump them in the office and let them learn by doing. so the design studio in universities are actually a simulation of the real world. they just take out the risks involved and also substitute the reward (payment/salary) with grades.
i dont switch off the architect in me. so why do u keep arguing?
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Why u are treating everyone (in this case architect) equal? as I said before knowledge is the one which is important. if they can get the knowlege and skill within short time they CAN become good. If they can only get the knowledge and skill longer than others they also CAN become good. It does not necessarily need to train alot though..
i didnt say everyone is equal. i didnt even generalize. architects are who they are bcoz the training is the same all over the world. however, the training is different from what u normally see in other fields. just ask any architect friends. see if they disagree with me.
i didnt argue that knowledge is important or not. the measure of the architect is the output, not input. this is different from other types of education. during SPM, u're measured based on what u store inside ur brains. u memorize everything, put a bit of analysis on it, and u should be able to regurgitate everything and get a good score. architecture doesnt work that way. it's what u do with what u have to maximize output that's important. a person could read less but still produce outstanding results.
what i'm saying here is, it doesnt matter about how long it takes for an architect to gather knowledge. architects are known to extend their studies by 1 or 2 semesters. it's normal. but like i said, we're not measuring input. it's the output.
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This clearly show u are in working person perspective. As I dont have the knowledge yet so I will try my best to get the best result as possible as I currently dont have a proper deadline yet. BUT in art perspective if I can draw very fast but the result is just so so, people will not appreciate my work and I also lose my business too isnt? so in my previous post Ive said that I'll improve my work till he best then only I try to practice to shorten the time to do the artwork. But this doesnt show that neither u or me is in a wrong way.. its just our perspective of thinking is different.
sorry, but in respect to architecture, there is only one perspective. u just see more the higher u climb.

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Your word quite make me angry a bit but I take it positively okay.. I dont know how to tell this in proper word but does that mean if u want to draw u became an artist, when u cleaning ur house u became orang gaji and when u fixing ur car u became mechanic? no right? of course people have their own standing and influence and I belief there is nothing wrong with your way of standing.
hope this will clear all the argument and hopefully u take it positively ok..
i'm not sure why u're getting too worked up. like i said, there's nothing wrong of being or thinking like an artist. they strive for perfection irregardless of resources. i'm saying that architects have a very different frame of mind. and i dont understand how that upsets u.
we've already established that architects and artists view things differently. which i'm sure u agree right now. u wanna work on ur art for however long u wish. perhaps u're still viewing it as a hobby. but hey, that's how artists work, which i've said several posts earlier. but that's NOT how i work. so i would appreciate that u dont tell me how i work, or how architects supposed to think or function

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This post has been edited by azarimy: Nov 1 2008, 10:22 PM