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post Dec 16 2012, 01:03 AM

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Just got back from the movie, TGV IMAX 3D.

The Cinema
I wanted to improve on my IMAX experience. I somehow managed to once again not get middle seats. I was going for 'center, center', but got 'left, center' instead. The screen was so huge, that I had to stretch my eyes to the right when there was something of interest on the right side. This was my fault as I should have booked earlier. The mountain fighting sequence was spectacular on IMAX.

Unfortunately, I noticed a significant amount of 'blurriness' and 'shakiness' to the film. I am not quite sure if it was due to me seated a bit too close or should have sat a row or two behind. There was plenty of noticeable pixelation on-screen, right from the beginning, this was a bit of a downer for me. sad.gif Maybe third times a charm in the future.

The 3D Value
It was present and there was quite a number of in-your-face moments... some of which even made me blink as the object felt like it was really being hurled at me. The mountain fighting sequence is worthy of being mentioned again. Peter Jackson's first 3D film and it didn't disappoint in the 3D department.

The Film
I went in knowing this is NOT LOTR Trilogy, it was more of a prequel, thus didn't get my hopes too high. In the end, I absolutely loved the film. It started out pretty slowly but quickly kicked into gear. The 'flashback' sequences were not entirely necessary but die hard LOTR fans would appreciate it like crazy. It was amazing to see Elijah Wood as Frodo, felt like I stepped into a time machine. The Shire looked breathtaking as before. Overall, the story was worth it and the feeling of an exciting and perilous adventure was there just like the LOTR trilogy. In other words, yes indeed "The Hobbit" managed to capture that same excitement as the trilogy. smile.gif This was something I was concerned about as the film could have easily gotten 'lost' what with the years gone by and perhaps PJ not having a golden touch as it was previously ("The Lovely Bones" wasn't particular great). Ahh... it was indeed, an adventure.

The Cast
To be honest, I barely know any of the actors who played the dwarves. Can't really remember the dwarves names except for a few. Once more, felt like stepping into a time machine when I saw Galadriel, Lord Elrond, hey, Gandalf of course! Ian McKellen looks really old (and not just Gandalf old). The cast was brilliant and overall, they delivered the goods. Great job on the casting. The dwarves were loud, nasty and downright rough playing bunch of 'laddies'(??).

The Visual Effects
Really worth the wait to see Gollum... gosh, I was telling myself look at Gollum, the nuances of Andy Serkis' expression captured milimetre perfectly. Time really has done well to improve on the visual effects, and Middle-Earth looked incredible. I believe by the standards that was in the film, it could be nominated for Best Visual Effects at the Oscars.

Final Verdict
It was worth the wait. LOTR fans rejoice. If you have seen the LOTR Trilogy and liked it (and why wouldn't you), this is one unmissable film. I cannot believe I have to wait a year to see part two, and then another year for part three.
Peter Jackson, you didn't let me down.

8.5/10

+ Worthy adventure that meets expectations
+ Stunning visual effects, Gollum never looked so real!
+ Brilliant cast
+ Awesome Howard Shore music score and right on cue on... 'precious' moments
+ 3D was worth it
- Pacing is somewhat of an issue, could have been put through another round of editing/trimming of the fats
- Action sequences can get confusing and...
- ...Overwhelmingly long
- IMAX bluriness and pixelation issues
- Hey, where is Evangeline Lily? hmm.gif




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post Dec 16 2012, 02:46 AM

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Dec 16 2012, 01:45 AM)
went to watch in IMAX 1 Utama earlier today, and the experience was not worth the ticket price at all.

fights were blurry
action scenes of any kind-and sweeping camera sequences were all blurry.
the only time the screen felt huge was when I first walked in. the moment the movie started, the screen felt the same as any other cinema screen. doh.gif

the only saving grace was the 3D and the audio.
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Yeah, come to think of it, it is really not worth it. The one at 1U was really... fail. Pixelation and bluriness aplenty.


QUOTE(Ninja @ Dec 16 2012, 01:53 AM)
Evangeline Lily will be in 'Desolation of Smaug'~ So, look out for her next year.

And also watch out for Peter Jackson cameo in 'Unexpected Journey'. He will appear during the introduction scene of Erebor, dressing as one of the dwarf. laugh.gif
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Oh... I thought they cut her part out or something. I think I did see a Peter Jackson-looking character but wasn't too sure.

FIRST LOOK INTO 'THE HOBBIT: THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG'!

http://www.thehothits.com/news/movies/3650...n-of-smaug'!

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Yes, the marketing team behind The Hobbit trilogy are insane – they have been going non-stop with the film’s promotion! But… we don’t mind.

Here is the first image released from the second instalment of the fantasy trilogy, The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug, which comes out on December 26, 2013.

It shows Martin Freeman as the loveable Bilbo Baggins:

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post Dec 17 2012, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 17 2012, 11:29 AM)
It feels to me like Peter Jackson is mercilessly trying to milk his LOTR franchise for all that it's worth. Much of what's in this movie alone actually comes from the appendixes in the LOTR books. The Hobbit was a very straightforward children's tale. Yes. The Hobbit was a children's book and was planned as a one-off to boot. It does not and will not have an epic scale like LOTR did. Peter Jackson seems to be trying to make it epic but he only made it overly long.
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Overly long = unnecessary scenes? I found the length only a minor issue, and I barely felt the 170 minutes runtime. The fact that I did genuinely care for some of the characters is already an achievement. I was really afraid if the 'adventure feel' would be lost. Peter Jackson had always wanted to 'complete' the LOTR Trilogy with The Hobbit, back then he was not well known at all and it was a big risk to have green-lit three films.

After the LOTR Trilogy, there was a lot of talk about doing The Hobbit but PJ distanced himself, making "King Kong" and "The Lovely Bones" instead, heck he wasn't even going to direct it but everything fell into place.

In the end, I am really pleased with how the film turned out to be. You can really tell PJ tried his best to bring back memories from the LOTR Trilogy and a number of instances in the film made me feel like I stepped into a time machine.

Why would anyone want to compare "The Hobbit" to the LOTR Trilogy, I have no idea. These are two separate stories in the same world. There is no way it is going to have the epic scale of those films, but we did see glimpses of war and (again) LOTR fans would rejoice.






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post Dec 17 2012, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(William Somerset @ Dec 17 2012, 01:09 PM)
That’s the feeling I have few weeks before the movie hit the local cinemas and that’s also the reason why I have my reservation on this movie. I have yet to watch it and honestly, I’m not excited about it.

With all the video logs and production videos being released, I felt like PJ is trying really hard to recapture and reproduce that same essence emitted from LOTR trilogy.

That’s me.
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Eh? Pete loves to share his production details as always. He is always keen on talking about film-making process. I have the "King Kong Production Diaries" - 2 DVDs dedicated entirely for day-to-day production videos.

For the LOTR Trilogy, three Extended Edition DVD box set - you'd be surprised by the number of production videos (making of...), the details are astounding (favorite is when they showed exactly what happens from start to finish for a single scene - life of a raw film reel).

So it could just be you feeling that way... tongue.gif

Planning on watching it again on HFR3D this weekend.


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post Dec 17 2012, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(Ninja @ Dec 17 2012, 02:00 PM)
Love watching all those LOTR production videos, especially the part taht shows the bonding and friendship of the actors~ Really heartwarming~ biggrin.gif
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Yeah that too... especially the last day of filming on "Return of the King" where everyone was really emotional.


QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 17 2012, 02:26 PM)
I think it's not me that's comparing The Hobbit with LOTR. I think it's Peter Jackson himself that's making the comparison. I would have been perfectly happy if the tale was told in just one movie.

Spoilers alert! If you don't want to spoil your movie, DO NOT read further!

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I don't quite know the length of which the film has based its content on the books because I have never read the books. Indeed I've heard about "The Hobbit" being a children's tale... but if that's how it is then so be it. At the end of the day it is still a fantasy film, and a really good one too.

It is never LOTR epicness in terms of scale or story, because it NEVER was in the first place. Did I feel like the film was trying to be epic? No.. To me I see it as how PJ has interpreted the story and made decisions that would please any LOTR fan. If one has never seen the LOTR films, they are still in for a wonderful time but are missing on so many references of what is to transpire on an epic scale.

Anyways,
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post Dec 17 2012, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Dec 17 2012, 03:22 PM)
That is a major spoiler right there. laugh.gif
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Not necessarily... on film, there can always be changes.

On a different note, I think the third film will bridge the gap between "The Hobbit" and "Fellowship of the Ring" ; could possibly be a film based on references/hints of what could have transpired between that time. The image of Legolas says it all.

Benedict Cumberbatch plays the The Necromancer... hmm, interesting. Storyline for "There and Back Again"

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Bilbo, Gandalf and the Dwarfs are in Smaug's lair, but will they get their Gold and return home safely?


Shouldn't this be film two? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Dec 17 2012, 03:36 PM)
Are you sure Cumberbatch is The Necromancer? Because he is casted as Smaug.
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Says on IMDB... "Smaug / The Necromancer" for second film and just "The Necomancer" for third film.


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post Dec 17 2012, 04:32 PM

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It's based on the books. A film should never punish it's viewers for not knowing the source material. Oddly, it seems now that knowing the source material is what the problem is right now. I didn't even know "The Hobbit" was more of a children's story until recently.

The tie-in factor with LOTR was present because the film is an adaptation of the book and I'm confident it was seen an opportunity to have the references in it. Had the film been done just like books, the question would then be on why make the less menacing and the lack of coherence with the LOTR plot would come into questioning. Perhaps if I did read the book, I would have a different opinion altogether but I didn't.

I didn't find much issues with the film at all except for the darn IMAX. I think my viewing experience would be even better in 48fps.

On another note, the film has grossed over $220 million.




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QUOTE(nazanto @ Dec 17 2012, 04:46 PM)
Agree on the bold part.

So i already watched 2d version. Just wanna ask u guys here is it worth it (in terms of the watching experience not the film itself) in IMAX 3d?
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For me, no. Not really worth it. The one at 1U was blurry and noticeably pixelated, felt like they failed to properly configure the display or something. 2D version is in 24fps, so if planning on seeing it again why not go 48fps instead... the 'rarest' of all at this point.


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QUOTE(nazanto @ Dec 17 2012, 05:16 PM)
so where available this 48fps?
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Posted here previously,

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/624050/+240#

Buy 3D tickets for...

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GSC: GSC Pavilion KL, GSC Signature (The Gardens Mall)



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post Dec 19 2012, 12:19 AM

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I can never forget this:


...when the choir kicks in, 1:44, goosebumps! biggrin.gif

And... *drum rolls*, my absolute favorite that glued me to my seat after RotK was over:



The credits had the characters in sketch form. Such a beautiful ending. The end credits itself deserved an award! biggrin.gif Incredible lyrics, "And all will turn, to silver glass..." (as uttered in the film).

I wasn't here in the forums back in 2003. If I was, I would be gushing about RotK for pages on end. smile.gif Back in the days, I only saw one or two films a year.
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 19 2012, 03:58 PM)
Yes. This movie is made for the fans. Peter Jackson's fans to be precise. Tolkien fans? Not so much.
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Hmm.... never thought about it this way. I wouldn't consider myself a Tolkien fan, but if you'd ask me if I was a fan of Peter Jackson's work, then yeah.

I think I will enjoy the movie a lot more in 48fps, given how much of an issue I had with IMAX 3D.
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The eagles were summoned by using butterfly/moth. They should have kept some in a jar. tongue.gif Seeing this again on Sunday night, in HFR3D.


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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 20 2012, 09:57 AM)
Now that someone brought it up... I kinda wondered how fast the moth could fly!!

In LOTR it made some sense as the eagle did not arrive to save Gandalf from Saruman's tower until quite some time had passed.

In The Hobbit, it seemed like the moth could do supersonic speed and alerted the eagles and had them come to the rescue in just a few minutes.

Taking into consideration that it tool some time for the eagles to get to where Gandalf and company were, that moth could have been flying faster than our modern jets could!!
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Science/logic in a fantasy film with wizard, elves and dwarfs? Ok then, an interesting fact is that a male emperor moth can detect a female about 6 miles (11 km) away. Moths have an extraordinary sensory detection so yeah, word could travel fast I suppose in Middle-Earth, no idea if it can work both ways but just an interesting fact. Zzzz...
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QUOTE(vivienne85 @ Dec 20 2012, 01:50 PM)
the stone giants were in the book and it was not explained in the book why were they fighting rolleyes.gif
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Lol, I wonder why they started fighting. I think eventually they got 'too close' due to slow movement of the Earth's crust and bumped into each other. Perhaps that's why they were called a myth since barely anyone has actually seen them fighting. That scene was incredible... it really felt like two behemoths fighting.
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Saw it again last Sunday in HFR3D. The experience was miles better than on IMAX 3D. The clarity of the image is astounding, I don't think it can get any better.

I noticed a few quirks:

- Since the live-action plate is so clear, some scenes with visual effects may look clearly CG
- ...and some scenes with live-action tend to look CG due to the frame rate (e.g war sequence)
- Small movements with wide angle shots with no other movements in frame (e.g. walking), tend to look fast motion when in reality it is the way our eyes perceive it
- Takes about 15-20 minutes of HFR exposure from the start of the film to get used to it

As for the loss of movie feel, no, I don't think I wanted to feel it that way. I was watching a movie and it was still one.

In the end, I absolutely loved HFR3D. It really feels as close to reality as possible. It seemed to be 0.5 notch clearer than Digital 2D. For that, I'm really hoping we will see HFR2D in the future.

Also, I was able to name 10 dwarves after my second viewing compared to a meager 5 on my first viewing. tongue.gif






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QUOTE(lordsapt @ Dec 28 2012, 09:41 AM)
Watched tis on iMax 3D, damn awesome!!
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Euww.. (for me). Where was yours at? Mine at 1U, and it wasn't great.
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QUOTE(cristiano7mu @ Dec 30 2012, 06:31 PM)
I have watched HFR 3D, planning to watch Imax 3D again.

Which one do you prefer as Imax is 24FPS only.
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Seen it on IMAX 3D already? If not, good luck. tongue.gif If you've seen it on IMAX 3D, not sure why you would see it again. I prefer HFR 3D over IMAX 3D.


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Hmmm... it looks... pretty. tongue.gif The visuals look brilliant.
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