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Discussion Something is wrong with Malaysian's football, According to FIFA's Jean-Michel Benezet

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post Feb 8 2008, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(sOuLx @ Feb 7 2008, 09:09 PM)
they should do something so that our local football has better quality..
why people dont support our local football? because the management suck!!
everyday i hate our local football more..grrr
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who want to go stadium watch local league if we can watch torres, ronaldo, fab, drogba live on astro ...
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post Feb 8 2008, 05:40 AM

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Same old story man , non football people getting involved , that young fart you know who .

Like this how to improve . Even in 5 years Ian Rush won't be able to help , never mind a 3 month stint or whatever.
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forget bout sending our youths to europe..why dun we just send them to either japan or south america?budget wise i think it'll cost less than europe.i love watching japanese football league.dont u guys do?n why do we overlooked our former players who still in footballing biz.yes i kno shebby talked too much on the espn n perhaps ppl will say 'dia ni ckap je byk...'but at least he has ideas n knowledge bout football that can be put for good use. unlike politicians,what do they kno bout football?let alone playing them.to all politicians,stay away from malaysian football pls.use ur agendas elsewhere.
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QUOTE(hazahazdy @ Feb 8 2008, 07:56 AM)
to all politicians,stay away from malaysian football pls.use ur agendas elsewhere.
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how about sultan? consider as politicians?..
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FAM should probably start sending coaches to do stint at clubs with good coaches like Man Utd, Aston Villa or West Ham..instead of sending players..

KJ got the job of national team manager bcoz some people at FAM wanted him to fail, miserably..so what better way than to ley him be manager of a pathetic national team...he got into FAM bcoz of his bapak mertua anyway...huhuhu
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QUOTE(Ken @ Feb 8 2008, 12:21 AM)
who want to go stadium watch local league if we can watch torres, ronaldo, fab, drogba live on astro ...
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U dunno.... still got million of ppl go to stadium watch local league, when my Home team Hijau Kuning on the top performance, u will see thousand of car and motorcycle park near the stadium, our FAM still earn more n more money. FAM just want to earn the money, earn the money is more important than anything.
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QUOTE(al_aajily @ Feb 8 2008, 11:21 PM)
how about sultan? consider as politicians?..
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not politicians but i dunno what are the agendas as well. perhaps non-football related tho. stay away alsolah..
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post Feb 9 2008, 02:41 PM

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I recall back in the nineties there was very decent support for soccer and our state teams (our Sabah's 'Jangan, Bobby, Jangan!' never fails to make me smile... that and the 'Kuda Tua' jibe for Zainal Abidin nod.gif ) and we weren't doing too internationally then, either. IIIRC, state stadiums were often nearly full, at at worst half full. I'm as guilty as the next bloke for not paying much to the local footie scene nowadays, but i have noticed games being played in small-ish fields like the one in Kelana Jaya, along the LDP? Has support dwindled so badly?

What if we went back to SEMI PRO?

I am unsure if FIFA has regulations against this but would it not be a good idea? Despite what many say/think, it is not easy being a football professional in Malaysia. Pay isn't all that great and...
Remember the match fixing scandal in the nineties that rob the local league of half its mainstays? I know (albeit not very well), a few of the buggers who got implicated and i pity their plight. They were 'pro's but they were not paid the salaries due to them for months on end! How else to put food on the table but to resort to the bookies? I am not 'rationalizing' their act, but merely stating the facts. Our state FAs were never run professionally, and the players were the ones who in the end paid the price.

We always complain that the non malays no longer seem interested in footie? Could it be that the uncertainty of a 'professional' career in malaysia be alienating them? Would many more not step forward and play part time if they have a desk/day job? That way, they will be playing for the 'love' of the game, and not for a living.

Our pampered 'chosen ones' aren't doing any better are they, despite the amount of money the FA has pumped into their developement? Why not return to the old semi-pro format where teams are made up mainly of semi proffesional players with a sprinkling of local professionals and imported players, perhaps a quota of 5 professional players per team? This quota includes foreign professionals - which means if the local pros want to be able to earn a livng, they will have to buck up and be better than the imports, as well as being better than their semi-pro teammates. Be complacent and you find yourself jobless as why would any sane team choose to carry useless local professionals when it eats into their quota of foreign palyers and when cheaper semi professional players will play at a fraction of the costs?

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 9 2008, 02:41 PM)
I recall back in the nineties there was very decent support for soccer and our state teams (our Sabah's 'Jangan, Bobby, Jangan!' never fails to make me smile... that and the 'Kuda Tua' jibe for Zainal Abidin  nod.gif  ) and we weren't doing too internationally then, either. IIIRC, state stadiums were often nearly full, at at worst half full. I'm as guilty as the next bloke for not paying much to the local footie scene nowadays, but i have noticed games being played in small-ish fields like the one in Kelana Jaya, along the LDP? Has support dwindled so badly?

What if we went back to SEMI PRO?

I am unsure if FIFA has regulations against this but would it not be a good idea? Despite what many say/think, it is not easy being a football professional in Malaysia. Pay isn't all that great and...
Remember the match fixing scandal in the nineties that rob the local league of half its mainstays? I know (albeit not very well), a few of the buggers who got implicated and i pity their plight. They were 'pro's but they were not paid the salaries due to them for months on end! How else to put food on the table but to resort to the bookies? I am not 'rationalizing' their act, but merely stating the facts. Our state FAs were never run professionally, and the players were the ones who in the end paid the price.

We always complain that the non malays no longer seem interested in footie? Could it be that the uncertainty of a 'professional' career in malaysia be alienating them? Would many more not step forward and play part time if they have a desk/day job? That way, they will be playing for the 'love' of the game, and not for a living.

Our pampered 'chosen ones' aren't doing any better are they, despite the amount of money the FA has pumped into their developement? Why not return to the old semi-pro format where teams are made up mainly of semi proffesional players with a sprinkling of local professionals and imported players, perhaps a quota of 5 professional players per team? This quota includes foreign professionals - which means if the local pros want to be able to earn a livng, they will have to buck up and be better than the imports, as well as being better than their semi-pro teammates. Be complacent and you find yourself jobless as why would any sane team choose to carry useless local professionals when it eats into their quota of foreign palyers and when cheaper semi professional players will play at a fraction of the costs?

Anyone  hmm.gif
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Nice thoughts. The bolded part though doesn't solve racial politics or favouritism.
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pampered and politics!
some big head players with no balls. playing for country wasn't a pride anymore..... they earn more while playing for their respective clubs.
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Before starting with the sorry state of the football, what about how the product is marketed? I think I speak for everyone when I say that we are more comfortable in English than we are in say, Malay? But apparently, speaking English is deemed unpatriotic! How and where they got that logic from is appalling and it is no wonder that 4/5 fans that turn up in the stadiums are Malay! And when 4/5 fans are Malay, then it is only logical that the next 4/5 children that turn out to be future league players are from that 4/5 fans!

I am not trying to stir up racism here but I think it is a very valid point in saying so. Look at the local football threads, what language to they converse in in those threads and it speaks for itself. I wouldn't mind giving local football another go but please, I am sick of Habsdullah Awang. That guy makes me sick. Jeevan from Sportscentre and Shebby Singh would be a good start. Not the best but a good start.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Feb 10 2008, 01:06 PM)
Before starting with the sorry state of the football, what about how the product is marketed? I think I speak for everyone when I say that we are more comfortable in English than we are in say, Malay? But apparently, speaking English is deemed unpatriotic! How and where they got that logic from is appalling and it is no wonder that 4/5 fans that turn up in the stadiums are Malay! And when 4/5 fans are Malay, then it is only logical that the next 4/5 children that turn out to be future league players are from that 4/5 fans!

I am not trying to stir up racism here but I think it is a very valid point in saying so. Look at the local football threads, what language to they converse in in those threads and it speaks for itself. I wouldn't mind giving local football another go but please, I am sick of Habsdullah Awang. That guy makes me sick. Jeevan from Sportscentre and Shebby Singh would be a good start. Not the best but a good start.
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i think we improving in marketing our local football to get other races to join supporting local club and state. I do enjoy watching Sportcenter Malaysia edition that using English as the medium of communication.

but a lot of thing need to be done to get other races choosing football as a career.
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lol.

language is not an issue.. malay or english..

be it malay players or non-malay, if attitude is the same.. hancur jugak

we care so much for our national team, but not our own league, bcoz we r so into EPL n other european league, we already watched the real-entertaining football, its just that our league is not up to that quality yet.

1st of all, FAM must changed. Sultan n Politician please stay away from football. but in malaysia, how to get sponsorship without frm these ppl? if theres no power, no money...rite? no?

thats y, .. we need miracle... in such that, suddenly got 1 billionaire guy like abramovich buy FAM, ananda krishan joining in, n then thrump also joining, ..3 of them supply money. recruit the likes of jose, pele, become the technical director, and put former malaysian footballers as their key member.. something like that is too much, but surely can totaly changed how the malaysian football system works. we need miracle. fans cannot do much as we already got astro.

hehe ..just my 2 cents.
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Explain why fewer people watch the Serie A? Because the commentary is rubbish. I don't even bother watching AC vs Inter anymore, the commentary puts me to sleep. Similarly, LaLiga just isn't appealing.
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the only way to safe malaysian football is..

change the whole management and revamp all the teams...

no politics, no royalties no nothing..
just football..
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i prefer the cantonis version of commentary for epl, the 2 guys always chatting instead of follow the match ...

but now no more d ...
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Feb 10 2008, 08:58 PM)
Explain why fewer people watch the Serie A? Because the commentary is rubbish. I don't even bother watching AC vs Inter anymore, the commentary puts me to sleep. Similarly, LaLiga just isn't appealing.
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exactly nod.gif although the serie A n la liga play better football but the commentary itself made me got turned off with the league action doh.gif if only AS buy the skysports coverage on serie A n la liga then only its better rclxms.gif


Added on February 11, 2008, 10:36 pm
QUOTE(alister88 @ Feb 10 2008, 11:38 PM)
the only way to safe malaysian football is..

change the whole management and revamp all the teams...

no politics, no royalties no nothing..
just football..
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its gonna take may centuries 4 that 2 happen sadly sleep.gif sleep.gif

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Khairy says "no room for excuses".

Source --> http://utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=200...an&pg=su_01.htm
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Tiada alasan gagal - Khairy -- Perlu bukti kemampuan dalam capai kejayaan

KUALA LUMPUR - Timbalan Presiden Persatuan Bola Sepak Malaysia (FAM), Khairy Jamaluddin menegaskan bahawa, skuad negara tidak boleh memberi sebarang alasan lagi sekiranya masih gagal menyerlah dalam Kejohanan AFF Ketujuh di Indonesia dan Thailand dari 5 hingga 28 Disember ini.

Katanya, skuad negara perlu membuktikan kemampuan dalam mencapai kejayaan yang ditagih FAM dan peminat tempatan kerana mereka bakal diberikan sokongan dan pendedahan sewajarnya selain dijamin tidak akan diganggu lagi dengan jadual perlawanan Liga Malaysia musim 2007- 2008.

"Kejohanan AFF merupakan matlamat baru kami selepas pasukan diberikan dua lagi tugasan antarabangsa, Kejohanan Jemputan Antara Benua (Mei) dan Pestabola Merdeka (Ogos). Tiada alasan jika skuad negara gagal lagi kali ini," katanya.

Khairy berkata demikian pada sidang akhbar selepas majlis menandatangani perjanjian penajaan antara FAM dan jentera pemasarannya, MSL Sdn. Bhd. dengan Bank Kerjasama Rakyat Malaysia Bhd semalam.

Kecuali menjulang Pestabola Merdeka (Ogos), skuad negara mencatat pencapaian kurang memuaskan sepanjang tahun lalu antaranya dibelasah teruk dalam Piala Asia di Kuala Lumpur (Julai) dan kecundang kepada Bahrain dalam pusingan pertama Kelayakan Piala Dunia 2010 di Manama dan Shah Alam (Oktober).

Malaysia cuma terdaya ke separuh akhir Kejohanan AFF 2007 atau dulunya Piala Tiger yang menghimpunkan pasukan handalan Asia Tenggara lain seperti Singapura, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, Myanmar dan juara dan naib juara pusingan kelayakan, Laos dan Filipina.

Skuad negara bimbingan B. Sathianathan yang menjalani latihan pusat fasa pertama dari 3 hingga 6 Februari lalu, mengandungi 36 pemain barisan utama dan skuad bawah 23 tahun yang disaring awal daripada persembahan sepanjang Liga M sejak pertengahan November lalu.

Malah Khairy mengakui, sejumlah besar peruntukan kewangan FAM termasuk penajaan Bank Rakyat sebanyak RM1 juta itu disalurkan kepada Liga M (Liga Super, Liga Perdana, Piala FA dan Piala Malaysia) dan dalam membiayai persediaan skuad negara.

"Ia turut menjadi kebimbangan utama FAM kerana baki peruntukan kewangan itu masih tidak memadai untuk membiayai pembangunan akar umbi sehingga kami perlu mendapatkan kerjasama Kementerian Pelajaran, Kementerian Belia dan Sukan serta Majlis Sukan Negara," katanya.

Sementara itu, Pengarah Urusan Bank Rakyat, Datuk Kamaruzaman Che Mat berkata, sumbangan itu membuktikan kesungguhan mereka menyokong pembangunan bola sepak negara selepas peningkatan minat penonton dari 16.7 juta orang pada 2005 kepada 17.3 juta (2006).

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Tiada alasan gagal - Khairy -- Perlu bukti kemampuan dalam capai kejayaan
sure, train under rush and carlos ... no excuse to fail ... laugh.gif

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