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post Jan 22 2011, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(Dae Woong @ Jan 22 2011, 10:21 AM)
Totally understand your statement,is like you have to design something and to convince your classmates your design is worth to build,rite?
Speaking about monetary terms,averagely how much does a architecture student spend during the course?(e.g. tools, reference books, gadgets...)
i read your post on the front page saying that there are no scholarships offer to architecture students.how do the not so rich students manage their cost?
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what i meant was, there's no open scholarship given explicitly for architecture students. well, none that covers the entire expenditure of the course, that is. but the common/public scholarships/loans are still available (PTPTN, JPA, MARA etc). nowadays, certain firms offer their own personal scholarships as well, but these dont come too often, and normally focused on how well u have performed in ur earlier years.

roughly, an architecture student would spend around RM400-600 per semester.
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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Jan 22 2011, 03:38 PM)
Just one thing I thought about lately;

What is Malaysian architecture? How should it really look like? And are there any existing/hypothetical examples around?

From what I can see, most of the buildings in Putrajaya such as the prime-minister's office and the mosque for example, are primarily Islamic with the borrowed designs/motives from the west & the middle-east as such. In addition, the entire layout & style of the city, such as the Islamic steel arch framing the Islamic courthouse design, are also borrowed from the middle-eastern Islamic architecture concept.

Do IPTAs like UTM for example research into the quest for Malaysian architecture? Are the students exposed/brought to the awareness of it?

Or is Islamic architecture just the way to go in this country?

What will be the Utopia of architecture for this country/nation?
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in IPTAs, we have a saying:

architecture in malaysia is not necessarily malaysian architecture.

meaning, most of the things u see are not actually malaysian architecture, but adaptations of another architecture in malaysia. first u have those buildings excessively borrowing from middle eastern, supposedly being more islamic in nature, but does not respond climate. we are very wet, after all, hence domes on flat roofs is reduced to a water catchment area. then u have the private homes excessively borrowing from western architecture, particularly rooting in roman, greek and those in the classical to rennaisance period.

malaysian architecture ultimately is something that responds to the local needs, climate, culture and community. a lot of this are actually present and more common that most thinks. masjid negara and the parliament is the epitomy of malaysian architecture. ken yeang and his bioclimatic movement is also another approach towards malaysian architecture, only that he's now more into creating an architecture for the whole region in the tropics tongue.gif.

hijjas kasturi is also one of the top guy in promoting malaysian architecture. try and read his writings, there's a lot of insight on why he design each buildings like that. it's like a whole learning process, where he evolved since the 70s, exploring ideas and technology, and trying to achieve something that is malaysian - not malay, not islamic, not chinese - but malaysian.

there are literally thousands of buildings that have explored one aspect of malaysian architecture or the other. i dont understand why people, architects included, still look at visual treatment of islamic architecture. it doesnt have to. heck, even u students are keen at looking at it that way.

masjid negara is one excellent example that a mosque doesnt have to have the islamic image treatment. it has no dome, no elaborate ornaments and almost no walls. it's purely functional, and made no attempt to market itself as the most islamic building in malaysia. but somehow, it's JUST IS.
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QUOTE(DD007 @ Jan 26 2011, 05:08 PM)
Do 1st year arch students have to sketch any other things besides house/building plans and elevations? If yes, is it freehand or u will be assisted with drawing instruments
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depends. what i can say for sure is that you WILL be sketching something biggrin.gif.

in UTM, we often change the subject matter each year. this is to keep things exciting, both for the student group and us lecturers (who keeps repeating the same thing every year lol!). it would also mean that the junior cant copy senior's work bcoz they are totally different subject. (we do this with most subjects as well).

sketching architecture is quite common. but eventually u will be drafting them, not just sketch. draftmanship is geometrical drawing assisted by instruments, while sketching is usually defined as freehand pencil sketch. those in my class, i wouldnt even allow erasers. sketches will almost always be based on reference, be it pictures/images, other drawings or live subjects. subject could be inanimate objects, environment, architecture, people, animals etc. i personally like superheroes for my group wink.gif.

so literally, it depends.
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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Jan 30 2011, 09:24 AM)
Dear azarimy, I like this thread and every piece of your guidance. Appreciate a lot~

Though, I am having few questions here which may mislead my architectural path. Yes, I am here referencing for my future pathway.

1) I just done my SPM, probably going continue STPM because STPM is needed to enter Bachelor position in Architecture. Based on your Architecture FAQs 1.1, you seems to be explaining that SPM>Diploma can lead to Bachelor as well rather than SPM>STPM>Diploma. Is that true?


actually, u dont go to diploma if u already have STPM. diploma qualification is lower than degree, hence why it only needs SPM for entry requirement.

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*I am actually planning to be a professional architect, so it means I must reach Bachelor position.*

2) I did not take Arts or whatever Art related subject in SPM / my secondary school life. I am not really good at water-colouring (Or should I say the sketchpads are low quality and easily torn due to watercolour usage which affect my art a lot.) where I often practice my drawing ability by drawing abstract things (Like lines, geometrics or designing patterns) with pen. Back to topic, so if I drew some stuffs and bring to interview- Would it really help?
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although art is not exactly a requirement, it's an advantage for qualifying purposes. i mean, if each school offers 50 spots and there are 1000 applicants each, u will need all the boost u can get.
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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Feb 1 2011, 10:49 AM)
Umm, but I heard that Bachelor position needs STPM.
Means if I don't take STPM, I can't reach Bachelor huh?
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u can take the longer route via SPM > diploma > degree.
alternatively:

i. matrics will get u into IPTA faster than STPM.
ii. A-levels, SAM and other external pre-u will get u into IPTS or overseas degree instead.
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just so we are clear, when u say "local universities", it includes IPTAs and IPTS, both public and private schools. i guess what u wanted to say is u're going the IPTA path.

so if u plan to study in an IPTA, here are the routes available to u from SPM:

i. SPM > STPM > 1st bachelor (part 1) > 2nd bachelor or 1st masters (part 2).
ii. SPM > diploma > 1st bachelor (part 1) > 2nd bachelor or 1st masters (part 2).
iii. SPM > polytechnic diploma >1st bachelor (part 1) > 2nd bachelor or 1st masters (part 2).
iv. SPM > matriculation > 1st bachelor (part 1) > 2nd bachelor or 1st masters (part 2).
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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Feb 1 2011, 02:51 PM)
Cause the local universities websites are very messy, link errors, points even going against of your guide. Perhaps I should consult academic counselors soon.
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if u find anything contradictory, do inform me. sometimes universities make new rulings that i'm not aware of.
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QUOTE(Bonetoad @ Feb 3 2011, 02:08 PM)
Guys, I think I need your humble opinion. I've been using Autocad, Rhino, Sketchup, 3dsmax, Photoshop and Illustrator as my execution tools since forever, but it seems that nowadays there's quite a few companies have started using BIM softwares such as Archicad and Revit here in Malaysia.

Do you think it's worth my time to actually learn this software?

The good thing about it is that I think it will of course open up the opportunities when applying for jobs, less errors in drawings, instantaneous schedules, floor calculations, volumes, elevations, sections and 3D. Some claims that it is much faster compared to drawing conventionally in Autocad.

My concern is that I'm scared it won't make that much of a difference for the time sacrificed to learn the software. Tools are still tools. The end product should be the same no matter what we use. I'm currently working literally from sunrise to the next sunrise biggrin.gif My only freetime is during weekends.

What's your take on this? BIM yes, no? Pros and cons?
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i know quite a lot of people would disagree with me now, but i believe that BIM is the way of the future. one of the biggest advantage is that, nowadays GBI (green building index) is quickly gaining momentum, and BIM provides the fastest way to empirically prove that ur building complies to GBI.

BIM applications arent just for drafting. it's a technical assistant without the ability to b**** behind ur back biggrin.gif. so basically if u are able to master it, it will turn u into one efficient entity: ability to produce the work that usually take 2-3 persons a week could be done under 3 days ALONE. which means firms wont have to pay for TAs and still produce the same amount of work, if not twice as fast!

in UTM we're drafting the new 3+2 masters programme, and we've already integrated a whole set of components dedicated for BIM. heck, they even sent me to get certified with REVIT in order to teach the future students.

if u're interested, go to ATC UTM website, there's a professional certificate training which u could take and get certified with REVIT. and i'll be teaching them. the course take 3 days typically. not sure what's the fees like.
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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Feb 4 2011, 01:07 PM)
I have tons of BIM applications literally, learned & used all; but nothing really special actually. Lots of work are still needed to be put in most notably in the aspect of getting everything head shot precise (BIM is really unforgiving when it comes to making any mistakes in the 1st place), and then the touch-up procedure after that, which could be really troublesome. Not knowing how to perform a certain task in a complicated software environment like this can really get you stuck in the ditch, such as during the need to perform specific modifications/amendments & such.

Generally, for those who are already quick & good at modeling & drafting with easy to use software like SketchUp-Pro/3Ds Max & AutoCAD, then going over to BIM would definitely become a deteriorating/frustrating process instead. However, if you are determine to learn & pick up BIM by attending courses & practicing it, then you will soon be able to gain the benefit/productivity from BIM. (However, you do need to "un-learn & re-learn"; because like it or not, the different process of thought & execution that BIM requires will naturally be conflicting to how you normally thought & executed your work previously; that is if you have been through the traditional architecture course as a student & been working in the manner to get work done.)

In addition, also bear in mind that BIM is also very much procedure based as opposed to the usual, and there are certainly boundaries, rules, & limits which you must conform. (Most of the time, you'll find yourself wrestling with the software, not to mention an incredibly rigid/stubborn BIM one.)

BTW, results from Revit & other BIM software seems to be rather disappointing for the rather cheap & "plastic-appearance" in fully rendered works; even after turning up the quality to the maximum. Heck, even the rendered quality from the very old & ancient 3Ds MAX 7 software, and only just using scan-line rendering, is producing far more impressive results by magnitudes. (It might not be an ideal comparison though, as a BIM software do not normally come with good rendering engines like those in 3Ds Max.)

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i believe i've mentioned this before. if u're looking for beautiful end product, BIM is not gonna fulfill ur needs. this is exactly the problem i had when i tried to explain BIM to my colleagues. and architects are used to object modeling, but they draw lines to represent them. BIM will come naturally eventually, as the architect knows a wall is a wall, and the software knows it too. this is contrast to other 3D modeling software, as a "wall object" rotated flat on the horizon will be interpreted as a floor instead.

i dont recommend learning BIM off hand. u should at least do it by the book, and cover the main components. family modeling, for example, is often overlooked in REVIT. people just complain that they cant change certain behaviours or characteristics, whereas it's all about figuring out where it's located and how to tweak it. heck, i've done a full timber construction, something not done often in REVIT.

master the software. dont let it tell u what u cant do.
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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Feb 5 2011, 02:33 AM)
Is Taylor a Malaysian government officially recognized college?
Let's talk about Bachelor first.

Cause some uni is 'officially recognized' by other governement but the government don't.
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depends on what u understand by recognized. our government do recognize taylor's courses via MQA. but our architecture professional body LAM do not.

and please be aware that some college/unis do a partnership programme with a foreign university, which means they will get recognized from THAT foreign university alone and not necessarily the relative government. this was the case with LUCT a couple of years back, where their diploma could get into curtin, but not any other australian universities.

which is why the diploma is being phased out (if not already), and LUCT is offering local part 1 and 2 instead.
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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Feb 5 2011, 11:36 AM)
Although it is true that IPTS like Taylors or LUCT are not accredited by LAM, but it does not mean that the architecture program of these institutions are substandard in any way. In fact they are good, which is why prominent universities in the UK/Australia accepts & places students in advance standing. (P.S., lecturers in these IPTS are often graduates from renowned oversea universities + experience in the profession overseas as well.) Cannot possibly be bad isn't it? wink.gif

IPTAs on the other hand also offer a very good quality level of architecture education and being accredited by LAM as well. However, competition is always very fierce/challenging in both the entry-process & then later on in the course itself as well.

Just an interesting observation though;

Architecture students in IPTS spend their late nights in studio doing what they would like to show-off (literally) to the world tomorrow (that kind of feel-good, excited, & boastful feeling), and there is absolutely nothing to be afraid of, because they know that they are the ones in power, and the lecturers would never ever dare to fail them nor give them bad grades; or else they could easily voice out their opinions & take legal action from higher authorities. (Students are treated as highly respected clients/boss.)

On the other hand, the environment in the IPTAs tend to be far less forgiving by nature. There are many others queuing up & competing for a place. If one do not perform consistently up to the mark, then one is simply rejected & substituted. Unlike in IPTS, students in IPTA are at the mercy of the lecturers/institution itself and do not have much say when anything falls out of their favor. (It is a realistic world & environment in there.) - "Society is more important than individual." -

In IPTS, - "Individuals tend to be treated more importantly (in priority) over whatever society is around" - (Whether this is good/bad is for you to figure out your own preference. wink.gif)

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that's one way to look at it. it still does not hide the fact that even after numerous tries, none of the IPTS have ever achieved accreditation up to now. LAM have considerably raised the bar, and even IPTAs are struggling to keep up.

the whole "student is more in power in IPTS compared to IPTAs" arent exactly true either. the problem with a self-centered student living in an environment where nobody could tell u wrong is extremely dangerous. we call it the god-complex. and i've seen these before when i visited LUCT as an external examiner.

things that are considerably wrong were let go whereas in IPTAs it's an easy fail. one student deliberately tried to defend her 7m cantilevered floor which was impossible to construct, and nobody told her that. i requested her to produce the proof when she told me i was wrong. she quoted this design and that design, but none was ever substantiated. she almost stormed out of the presentation simply bcoz she couldnt convince the jury. mind u, i wasnt alone as there was another australian guy (forgot his name) there with me and he completely agreed. and yet she got a B+ despite both of us failing her!

god-complex is very common in architecture. and an environment where student is always right to me is stupid. u cant learn from being right all the time. design is about process and experiments, and it's about figuring out which ones that works and which is not.

and bear in mind, during the accreditation process, LAM always look at the lower achieving students. if the student passed where he/she should've failed in other schools, LAM will rule against accrediting the school. they dont really care about top quality, it's the minimum standard that they're concerned about!
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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Feb 6 2011, 05:09 AM)
Sir, care to explain more? smile.gif

About the minimum part. & high quality.


to put it simply, a standard is basically setting the minimum bar for something. to achieve SIRIM standard, a product has to comply with certain2 things that relates to its use. an electrical plug must have a fuse with specific rates, a light bulb to have its own safety features and so on. anything u wanna add more to the product is up to u, as long as u comply with the minimum standard.

this is what LAM goes for. if a school complies to the minimum standard for this country, there's no reason why LAM shouldnt accredit the school. of course, one might argue that LAM has been increasing the bar for the past few years, but it's only for the better.

one aspect is about grading. CAAEM (council for accreditation of architectural education in malaysia) reviews the grading system to ensure that the quality from one school is more or less equal to another. although they're not overly concerned about the top achievers, it's the minimum achievers that they pay attention to.

u see, LAM has a "checklist" of what qualities a graduate should have. i can say that the "list" is probably longer than RIBA's or RAIA's. they will look at those barely passed and run a checklist on them. those failing the checklist SHOULD be failed. and if a school still passes them, then the school is not complying with the minimum standard.

this is prevalent in most IPTS, as they always have a dilemma between pleasing the student but failing the accreditation, or failing the student but face the wrath of the parents. sadly they're more keen on the prior, as it earns them MONEY. failing accreditation still gets them students, bcoz people believe that earning a degree regardless of which school will secure their future jobs. sadly it doesnt work that way and they're just falling into the trap.

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Added on February 6, 2011, 1:38 pm
About this BIM..(archicad)
Well, being awhile in it, I tend to understand that hav serious limitation & need time to meet the design needs.

Im not going to touch those like rendering 3ds Max or C4D, just basic BIM...

its good for quick bang of building templates & you dont need much of thinking especially those boring boxes but when you want uniqueness..there you go. Harder as it seems.
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i'm in the middle of a project that utilizes REVIT 100%. i will show u how unique it can be.
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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Feb 6 2011, 10:11 AM)
Ok, understand that.

so can you show me a where about I can get this checklist?

Hmm, really! show us the uniqueness of revit. icon_rolleyes.gif
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the "checklist" is with LAM. the reason i put quotes on the "checklist" is bcoz not many have actually seen it except the top people. although i do not doubt of its existence, the bar has been set higher and higher each year that we dont really trust what the top people say.

i will share with u once the proposal goes through.
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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Feb 6 2011, 01:43 PM)
so you said, the general architecture student doesnt know about this checklist?

*psst: you can leak to archileaks.org*  laugh.gif
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even the lecturers dont know about it. why do u think part 3 is so hard to pass? same thing here wink.gif

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Feb 7 2011, 03:21 AM)
According to the Chairman of LAM, they are not setting unreasonable standards after all.

http://lam.gov.my/download/2011/Warta-2010.pdf  (see page 7 & 8)
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for part 3 or part 2?
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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Feb 14 2011, 11:05 AM)
Before I forget, I am to confirm whether local universities (Not private) uses BM as main lecturing language? My examples would be USM, UM, UiTM and UPM as noted from LAM website.
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IPTAs all is no use BM that much, but english almost 100% like that.

QUOTE(broga_night @ Feb 15 2011, 01:19 AM)
hi bro,i plan to study part 1 in utar then later continue part 2 at australia utas...is that posible ?is the utar part 1 accepted by utas?
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if u plan to study in australia, it's better to look for IPTS that offer partnership programme with australian universities, such as LUCT (curtin) or taylor's (melbourne). although it's common, please dont assume any australian universities WILL take any malaysian part 1 (from IPTAs), let alone a non-part 1 degree (from IPTS).

do check with UTAR if they do have partnership programmes.
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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Feb 15 2011, 01:30 PM)
Cause I heard from a local graduated that locals use a lot BM as lecturing language.
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most of IPTAs nowadays have a number of international students who cant speak a word of BM. so go figure wink.gif.
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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Feb 16 2011, 03:12 AM)
so the question also related to local architects.

Why is our template still in BM?
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what template? drawing template?

well, it depends on the client laa. malaysia's official language is still BM. so all official dealings will be in BM. if ur client is the government, then it'll be in BM. else, it's up to u and the client.
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QUOTE(seharummawaddah @ Feb 18 2011, 11:42 AM)
i'm a spm leaver.... so, i have some question to ask.... is it true there is no specific subject reqirement for archt? btw, my teacher said that anybody who  did not

take art.. so, they could not to do archt.  after this...  which one is true?? please anybody answer my question!!!! icon_question.gif  coz, my friend really interested to do

archt but they did not take art.... unsure.gif
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lately some schools have started making specific subject requirements, but i do not see it as something that's gonna be consistent across the board. some do require arts from SPM, but there's not for STPM. but then again, if u could prove ur artistic skills, u dont need those subjects. just submit ur portfolio instead.


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QUOTE(pintualbab @ Feb 19 2011, 09:29 AM)
Well. i never take any arts subject during my spm years. pure science from MRSM. Enroll and turns up ok. In fact, many architectural students don't have basic arts but can be
succesful in their architectural studies. Probably having little trouble in ur 1st or 2nd year but u'll eventually turns up ok.
U just have to sharpen the skill no matter how blunt urs is.

P/s: My first time posting here. and saw my lecturer is the mastermind of this thread.lol. play BFBC2 sum more.
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