Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed
46 Pages « < 42 43 44 45 46 >Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

Art & Design So you're interested in ARCHITECTURE? Version 2, A guide to becoming an Architect.

views
     
TSazarimy
post Dec 17 2010, 03:55 PM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


almost made it, yeah. but i'm not sure what exactly was it that made it not there yet. KLIUC is pretty new. if i recall correctly, their most senior batch is 3rd year. for accreditation process to begin, they must have produced at least 1 batch.

agreed on the IPTS route. heck, even in UTM we've already adopted the BIM route to enhance our graduates' prospects.
TSazarimy
post Dec 18 2010, 09:12 AM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Dec 17 2010, 03:26 PM)
BIM is still limiting/restrictive;

We were under one particularly very experienced lecturer this semester for studio, & he knows BIM, had used it, & is even a master of it; however, he easily resorted back to 'pencil & butter paper' mentioning that the traditional method still works the best. He proved it too; (it was really impressive...). There were so many things/design aspects which BIM still just couldn't perform, or perform well... (Right now, BIM is still plaque with many limitations) - We are still being dependent on the IT guys for their progress to be able to take our designs one-step further. tongue.gif

I've used BIM, and it was certainly very "design limiting" & restrictive. (You can't do much in terms of design.)

Ditch BIM, & bring along instead a high-quality clutch-pencil loaded with 7B graphite lead & proof yourself the Master.  cool2.gif
P.S., to add;

If you must use a software, then SketchUp-Pro (unlike the others) is the most ideal/favorable software for architecture (while the others might also lead you to think so); it is anytime better than BIM in terms of designing capability.

Contrary to the advertisement on the packages of various BIM softwares claiming that (the software) is for architects/designers; BIM softwares are just marketing, at least for now. (It is just so what a designing based software shouldn't be like.) BIM softwares are very rigid, requiring you to understand & "design" under a hard & fixed-set of rules. You are just not allowed to freely design. You need to know how the software works before you can get anywhere. It takes a lot of patience to figure out "how to get it done" and all. You just can't straightaway jump into a BIM software & start designing; unlike with softwares like SketchUp or 3Ds Max, where you can just straightaway draw, model, see the results, & edit. (BIM requires you to input the correct set of data 1st & then fully understand how it all works before design-deployment; or the result would just screw up/give error messages.. This applies to every aspect of design in a BIM software) It can end up taking very long to get something right just when the thing could easily be achieved with softwares like 3Ds Max or SketchUp in a breeze. BIM is just lacking in flexibility; it doesn't allows much room for creativity.

BIM also takes a totally different approach to designing; away from the "tradition" of designing which all architects including us have been using in design studios up to this very day. (As such, be ready to completely change the way you design.) It may be harder or easier; it depends. But one thing is for sure, you won't be having as much freedom & flexibility in design/designing as you once have, and were so used to. (Just be prepared to spend half the time often trying to figure out how to get your designs to work out & materialize instead - just when you were so used to working smoothly & finishing quickly in 3Ds Max/SketchUp, and then also get used to living with the various limitations.)

Finally (IMHO), BIM should be left as an "option" for students to explore; it won't be ideal at all to "shove" it down their throats, as it would simply "kill-off" (terminate) their potentials as designers. BIM is more ideal for those who already have "sufficient knowledge & experience" in architecture, who would just like to use BIM as a "Tool" to complement their work-flow and nothing more. (BIM softwares also tend to be rather unforgiving when it comes to interoperability.)

As such, it wasn't too surprising to hear that some architecture schools have actually banned the use of BIM softwares in design studios. (But it is also not ideal to go to this extreme.)

Last but not least, if you are now feeling lost, confused, or in-doubt, then go and purchase yourself a good quality clutch-pencil, fit in a 6B/7B high quality graphite lead, grab a stack of butter paper, & now you have the best method of designing in the studio! (Nothing can ever go wrong with that! cool2.gif )

Regards.
*
u used BIM for designing? it's not what it's for, son.

BIM is for integrating the work. u'll be able to do a wider range of work in limited time with less assistance from the support group (technical assistant, architect assistant, draftperson etc). at the same time, u'll have a wider capability in making decisions regarding structural, M&E, costings or even the BQ without having to wait for the respective professionals to decide them for u.

u dont really use them during designing stage, are u?

with BIM, the graduate will have less reliance on their underlings and more capable of becoming an independent agent. and what office could resist having a staff that could do 2-3 workers' job?

TSazarimy
post Dec 18 2010, 10:09 PM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


well, here in UTM we've used sketchup since it's first inception. however, over reliance of beautiful shapes and spectacular drawings still failed to mask the hardcore essence of architecture - the designs must be eventually buildable and the designer must have the full capabilities of realizing it.

hence BIM are only taught at upper years, at the moment only at 4th year levels and above, where they are capable of designing on the fly. so they will spend more time to make the building work - for example, if the aircond ducting would intersect a low beam as it jots out of the AHU, or if the core design is optimized for fire escapes and those kinda things.

these are the stuff that BIM greatly assists. u dont have to call the engineer to figure out if the cantilever u're doing is buildable or not, the software assists u with it. and sketchup doesnt do that. sketchup is a substitute for the pencil, it assumes u've already got enough knowledge in ur design vocabulary to produce the design.
TSazarimy
post Dec 24 2010, 09:26 AM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(lyong @ Dec 23 2010, 05:07 PM)
can i study landscape architecture after studying architecture?
say master of landscape architecture or urban planning
*
yes.
TSazarimy
post Dec 24 2010, 11:54 AM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(lyong @ Dec 24 2010, 02:41 AM)
so i can finish the first degree of architecture and study landscape architecture instead of continue the second degree?
*
yes. it has all been explained in the 1st post. or was it the 2nd? either way, 1st page.
TSazarimy
post Dec 24 2010, 06:04 PM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(yangsquare @ Dec 24 2010, 08:11 AM)
Hi all. Been awhile since I last posted in this thread. Let me briefly introduce myself: I've been a Limkokwing architecture student before I left for Curtin in my third year. Well I have been getting myself posted on updates from Limkokwing and knew about the new B.Arch program they launched.

Let me be honest here, there are some good tutors (I mean really good) in the design unit, but somehow the faculty did not appreciate them. I was the VP for the student association and we did try our best to appeal to the school to retain the best albeit part-time tutors. In the wake of the termination of the tutors early this year, I decided my best course of action is to disagree by quitting Limkokwing and joined Curtin one year earlier.

Personally I do not recommend anyone to take up their B.Arch program and to those who wished to apply, take up the Curtin program instead.

BTW, ask me anything.
*
tell me, is the reason for all that points to zatur?
TSazarimy
post Dec 24 2010, 11:24 PM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


i know zatur personally. we used to hang out. lets leave it at that wink.gif.
TSazarimy
post Dec 27 2010, 09:13 AM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(edwinxxxx @ Dec 26 2010, 07:00 PM)
i'm taylors student which enrolled FNBE and take Bachelor of science(architecture) next year(3year degree)...i would like to know
i) lam accredition (i know it is not yet accredited but it is big possibility to get it??)
ii) so if taylor's get lam part 1 accredition can i continue part 2 at local u instead of oversea(i would like to save some money and i'm quite homesick)
*
i. it doesnt matter if they've come close last time, it'll be at least a few years before they could gear it up again for another accreditation. but there is a possibility that they might do the accreditation process again during the time u're there. but whether this time it's a pass or fail remains to be seen.

ii. IF. yes.
TSazarimy
post Dec 27 2010, 01:18 PM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(Quidditch93 @ Dec 27 2010, 04:22 AM)
Hi all..I just finished my SPM and I want to do architecture..
I just want to know which one should I start..Matrix Or doing diploma..
*
refer to the first post of this thread. all options are tabled out to u, including it's pros and cons.
TSazarimy
post Dec 27 2010, 09:46 PM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(thebayau @ Dec 27 2010, 07:50 AM)
I wanna ask you an question..
Is it recommend to working at archi firm part time for my 4 month semester break and what the benefit that i can get from it 
btw I'm 1 year part 1 student...
and what job can i get there..??
*
any form of exposure will be good for u. i did a short job with a firm between 1st and 2nd year. mostly just doing perspectives, colouring, despatching drawings and so on. the more u're aware of things that u must do at the end of the day, the better prepared u are towards graduating with a degree.

of course, at lower years, ur job is very limited. they wont even trust u with a drawing. during my time, everything was still done manually. u do autocad, but eventually still printed and coloured. nowadays most have gone 80-90% digital, so if u got some computer skills, that'll help too.
TSazarimy
post Jan 1 2011, 10:06 PM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(Bonetoad @ Jan 1 2011, 10:55 AM)
Mr.Azarimy, I've heard of a course called Architectural Engineering. If i'm not mistaken one who pursue this path will be able to sign both the architectural drawings and also the structural drawings of a building given that they fulfill all the requirements such as LAM part 3 and etc

Is it true?

Santiago Calatrava and Norman Foster took this course right?

Is it recognized here in Malaysia?
*
it's true that such courses exist. but not in malaysia.

in the UK for example, they do offer architectural engineering course where after 5 years u will graduate with both architecture professional degree (part 2) and a civil/structural engineering professional degree as well. when i was in sheffield, there were two malaysian students sitting for that course. but i didnt ask how the recognition is.

but at least for architecture, anything with RIBA/ARB part 2 will be recognized here in malaysia. so it boils down to if BEM would recognize it as well.
TSazarimy
post Jan 6 2011, 10:39 AM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(yangsquare @ Jan 5 2011, 03:08 AM)
Azarimy, after comparing the professional architectural scene in Malaysia and Australia, I do have few questions to ask. What is your opinion on LAM's stringent accreditation procedure? We have noticed that LAM do not recognize any other qualifications out of Malaysia, UK, Australia and New Zealand. How about students from a bigger part of Europe, USA or even Japan?

This makes me wonder how many 'graduate architects' from overseas get away with submission and approval by parking their name under other professional firms or partnership despite being the real designer of a project. I guess this leads to the speciation of architects species into design architects and project architects. In all actuality PAM only protects project architects while many design architects are derived of their rights. This is especially the case for a lot of local scene 'design architects' such as John Bulcock, Ernesto Bedmar, Kevin Mark Low and Ng Sek San. I wondered what really guarantees the rights of 'design architects'.
*
what's my opinion? well, personally i think LAM should get their acts together and have a more transparent system. they've been dwelling on the old system inherited from the british. although it worked well before, it's time for a change. just refer to tehtmc's comments above. it's true that those from NUS, which is not in the list, have been accredited with no problem at all. then again, it might be an issue of that stupid website which is managed by god knows how many people.

thing is, LAM does recognize overseas degrees, particularly RIBA accredited degrees. i know a lot of them are already working in msia, but didnt bother applying for the LAM part 2 exam. most are following the kamil merican way - instead of working under a part 3 architect, they EMPLOY a part 3 architect to work under them. and it works!

a friend of mine who's a graduate from UTM, never registered his part 2 (although he's perfectly qualified for it), practiced interior design (rather than architecture) under his own flag. now he's venturing back into architecture, and instead of going for a part 2&3 himself, he employed a part 3 architect under him and assigned his other employees to that guy.

so business wise, they're still selling their name. it's still seksan design. still kamil merican's office. people know by their name and their work, not their part 3 qualification. i'm not sure the legalities of this though.

QUOTE(tehtmc @ Jan 5 2011, 10:08 AM)
azarimy
Are you sure 'anything with RIBA Part 2' is recognized?  I thought they are not if the first part of the degree is done in the IPTS.
The accreditation process is not just about merit, it's more of a policy thing, like many other things in Bolehland. B.Arch from HKU (ranked top 30 in the world)  used to be in LAM's list but has disappeared. NUS (previously SU) has never made it to the list even though there has been many graduates from there since the 70's and many are in successful practice.  How do you explain that?
*
even if they did the 1st degree in IPTS, RIBA wont let them sit for part 2 until they've actually completed part 1. this is the same case with students with LAM part 1 going overseas. they still have to take RIBA part 1 in order to get part 2. as far as i know there is no way for anyone to obtain a RIBA part 2 without taking part 1.

QUOTE(Envoy @ Jan 5 2011, 12:39 PM)
is there any uni in malaysia tht i can study architecture  with twinning program to uk?
*
as far as i know, they have been discontinued. what u can do now is to take a diploma or 1st degree here, and continue for the rest of the studies in the UK.
TSazarimy
post Jan 13 2011, 09:14 AM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(akioen @ Jan 12 2011, 05:18 PM)
I'll prefer smaller firm, because i think the boss will have more concentration on u, and will get a chance to involve more and learn more. Want to build up a relationship with a firm for next time internship.
*
having more attention from the boss might not always be a good thing. a lot of students realized that they cant make mistakes or else be seen as incompetent. architects always assume that the practical student have already reached full maturity. we have no idea why biggrin.gif.




anyways, thought i share a few interesting notes:

i. UiTM will be the 1st university in malaysia to start the 3+2 degree+masters programme. they are accredited by both LAM and RIBA.
ii. UTM, UM and USM will follow suite in the next 2 years.

more to come.
TSazarimy
post Jan 20 2011, 01:00 PM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(KVReninem @ Jan 20 2011, 12:54 AM)
Okay, thanks clarifying it.

So until when will Malaysia Architect regulations start to change? hmm.gif
Corruption is part of the society to make things work out. But there is 2 side to it.

Corruption in China itself had forced the country to seriously take it as death penalty & mobilize its society upward. While in Malaysia, we are good too with corruption, but its like India. Corruption like Bureaucracy that a cricket New Delhi stadium takes longer than expected to finish...n Malaysia falls in this category.

You cant remove pure corruption.
Just read freakonomics or watch the show smile.gif

Malaysia, will forever be a manufacturing-base-export-high-skill-labour-out. Architects also play role in inception of our vision. Arent we already doom for the next 9 years?

Why do we have produced so much -Civil- Engineers & etc when our road still totally crap & why are we not creating urban planner but having Architects to do it when an Architects itself got more than what it can handle?

Im not disputing about the role of Architects, but i`m just wondering. Where is Malaysia in this so called Transformation mode? laugh.gif

Sorry Architects & Architecture student, i`m bringing this out of the normal building talks n how you guys orgasm how nice the designs is & whats n what so much the architecture itself but hardly talk about the after things we design n build.. what it resembles
*
there's a big difference in developed countries compared to malaysia. we havent reached critical mass on crucial sectors like engineering and architecture - meaning we're still building new infrastructure and buildings and have little time to put into maintaining and improving. in the UK for example, i worked with a firm specializing ONLY in kitchen renovation. well, at least that's all they were doing when i was there for about a year lol.

they could go into other things to maximize their profits, but they prefer not to, and specializing give them a niche area where everybody knows them for their work. it's a small office, catering for a small city (heck it didnt even have its own website), but they have no problem sustaining the 7 people in it. and they take pride with their job.

i have friends here in malaysia venturing into niche areas as well. one of them focused only on ID and houses, and have managed to excel with zero reliance on government projects. architects in his office are being paid RM6k each, and that is not including other benefits.

the thing is, a lot of us are actually capable of venturing into specializations, but at the moment there is no need as there's not enough people to do the casual works even. for example, we're still producing schools using JKR template (u know what i'm talking about!), but slowly over the past 10 years, people have been subbing schools to proper architects. why? because people see that they produce better school designs (well, JKR standard isnt hard to surpass to begin with). if we have enough good architects to compete using better and better designs, then the bad architects wont have a chance to get a job, and must work hard to improve themselves.

until critical mass is reached, all we can do is improve ourselves and wait for the world to catch up.


Added on January 20, 2011, 1:10 pm
QUOTE(croviax @ Jan 19 2011, 01:41 PM)
One question, i tried applying for IPTA thru UPU's website just now, but i can't seem to find Sarjana Muda Senibina / B.Sc of Architecture for UTM, UIAM, and UKM. They are not in the list. Could only find for UM and UiTM.

I'm applying under Diploma/Setaraf. Are they not offering for diploma grads or did i missed something?
*
got lah. who said dont have?

i just checked. it's there. choose:

IPTA - the ones u want
KATEGORI - Diploma/Setaraf
ALIRAN - Sains

it should list what u want.


This post has been edited by azarimy: Jan 20 2011, 01:10 PM
TSazarimy
post Jan 20 2011, 01:46 PM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


call UPU. problem solved.
TSazarimy
post Jan 20 2011, 09:56 PM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(KVReninem @ Jan 20 2011, 06:07 AM)
1. Your point is waiting for critical mass to do the changes? (are you refering to body like Outdated LAM & Irrelevant want to be regulators PAM)?
2. Yes I do agree changes can be done with this critical mass. But heck, How long more that Malaysian will start to see what developer hyped & design isnt what & who we are?
3. Of course, most profession there r the category of good & bad & level at the top pyramid. But again, like locals graduated Architects, besides working for govt. What are they capable of changing the scene of Maybe Malaysia failed Architecture? Most of the best landmark arent design by Malaysian but Overseas Architect.
*
i think u dont quite catch what i meant.

critical mass here is not about any policies. it's about the mindset of the masses set against the practice. for example, countries with large population have no problem producing good athletes. that's because they have no shortage of talents, their initial pool is extremely large.

we malaysians have that pool too, but it's concentrated in one or two sports. badminton for example, is one of our biggest pool as we keep having new talents joining the ranks, equalling to powerhouses like china and indonesia (which has pools multiple times larger than us). but football? we're absolutely crap.

same here in architecture. our pool is too small to reach critical mass in the next 10 years. there are about 1700 registered architects in malaysia, and there are 27million people in malaysia. that's one architect for almost every 16000 people. meaning, even if u're NOT GOOD, u can still cari makan as an architect in malaysia. that's how sad it is.

but, when u keep adding more people into the playing field, the good ones tend to dominate. and this is what we need. it doesnt matter what policy we make, it wont change anything as long as demand is higher than supply. it opens to substandard work and practices.

in my opinion, LAM is still relevant and current. what's NOT current is their website. dont let it fool u. wink.gif
TSazarimy
post Jan 21 2011, 09:02 AM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(croviax @ Jan 20 2011, 05:16 PM)
So it seems that i can only choose 2 institutions right? as all the architecture course needs interview.

Well that sucks, i heard Malaysia need architects.. and yet they are limiting people to even try..

Anyhow, best of luck to everyone. Never gives up, that's all i can say.
*
what, u dont like interviews?

well, dont do architecture at all then. coz u will be debating ur work in crits like everyday of the semester. it's like interviews, but 10 times harder wink.gif.
TSazarimy
post Jan 21 2011, 11:14 AM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(croviax @ Jan 21 2011, 02:46 AM)
No, u got me wrong. I want to be interviewed from all the schools if possible, but they only allow to choose 2 institutions.
*
and have u called UPU?
TSazarimy
post Jan 21 2011, 01:07 PM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(croviax @ Jan 21 2011, 03:34 AM)
Yes i did, they say those with interview can only be chosen under Option 1 and Option 2. Since all Degree programs for architecture requires interview, only 2 can be selected.
*
wait. who said ALL degree programmes for architecture requires interview?

only UTM, UiTM and UKM interviews their prospective architecture students.
TSazarimy
post Jan 22 2011, 05:22 PM

mister architect: the arrogant pr*ck
Group Icon
Elite
10,672 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: shah alam - skudai - shah alam


QUOTE(Dae Woong @ Jan 22 2011, 07:35 AM)
Thanks a lot.
How long have you been studying architecture in USM?all subjects in Eng?
I heard that all architecture course students are buzy on their project all year long and even dont get sufficient sleep sometimes.is it that stressful?
and azarimy mention students have to debate?do you debate that much?
seems like architecture is more on debating rather than designing and building structures for the community.
*
it sounds stressful, but weirdly enough, most of them enjoyed it. it's because the payoff of the stress is well worth the effort (and i dont mean in monetary terms!).

architecture IS about designing. but the process of design involves dialogue - either a dialogue with urself, friends, tutor or even experienced architects. the thing is, if u cant convince the others how good ur designs are, then u can even design the most brilliant design but no one will pay attention to it.

never underestimate how important debating is in architecture. but seriously, u cant debate something that is weak to begin with. so bottom line is: design is like the skill to ride the bicycle, and debating is the bicycle itself.

46 Pages « < 42 43 44 45 46 >Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0772sec    0.43    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 13th December 2025 - 07:12 AM