Hi, i come from an average family and thanks to my parents, they had work hard to provide me with education. Engineering is my 1st choice if i were to compare it to architecture. The main reason is a Master in Architecture(RIBA/RAIA/ PAM part 2) is very expensive and the whole progress takes at least 5 years. Another thing is that it's 2 separate degree. Let's say i take Bachelor of Science(Hons) Architecture in Taylor's. What are the requirements for me to enter a university for a masters degree that is PAM part 2 equivalent? Is there possibility of not getting enrolled? NUS offers Master of Architecture(RIBA) and has a very low cost comparing to other RAIA/RIBA master degrees overseas. But since it's a public university, does it accept BSc from private institutes?

Today i attended a career talk, and the guys in charged (from taylor or sunway cant recall) said that taking English Literature actually helps in landing a job on the architecture field. izit really that necessary?

i dunno their names since i listened only partially. but i was sure i heard, "if employers see 2 applications, 1 with EL and another 1 without, the 1 with EL will be put in a category and will be considered 1st. that moment i was like, omgwtfbbq?

Based on some articles that I have read before, that is true actually.

The Arts definitely have a play in Architecture, be it Music (Different Genres), Humanity, English Literature, Religion, History, Culture, or even Psychology.

In addition to the above (Based on different Articles that I have read), it was also stated that Architecture also have its interest in the Sciences, Astronomy, Physics, Mathematics, Engineering, Innovations, Inventions and Technology.

In fact, a book that I read states;

Architects have a high degree of interest in designing and creating solutions to problems that involve both Engineering and Artistic principles. The Architect is interested in improving the buildings in which we live so that they are in keeping with the needs of today. Consequently, he is very observant of the problems around him - Social as well as Technical. He has an Appreciation for beauty and can see beauty in a well - Engineered Project.

The Architect must have the Engineer's ability to communicate graphically, orally, and in writing, but he will probably have greater Artistic Aptitude than the Engineer. His profession will require that he develop many drawings and pictorials that must be clearly understood, not only by people within the industrial field, but also by the client, who may have little understanding of detailed working drawings. Therefore, the Architect uses perspectives and Artistic methods to transmit his ideas so that they can be understood, approved, and finally realized in buildings.

The Architect must understand the Technical aspects of Engineering well enough to know how to obtain help when it is needed. A typical project requires him to be a coordinator of many Technical Fields. It is virtually impossible for him to be proficient in all the relevant fields, such as structures, air conditioning, heating, and landscaping; consequently, he must use consultants on large projects.

The Architect should have aptitude in Mathematics, Graphics, English, Social Topics, Physics, and Art. His need for Chemistry is less than that of the Engineer.

College training for the Architect is a five-year program with design emphasized throughout the entire period. He will take basic courses in Mathematics, Graphics, Materials, Physics, Engineering Mechanics, History, Structures, Environment Studies, City Planning, Mechanical & Electrical Equipment, and Landscaping. During each year of his college training, he will work on realistic design problems that will prepare him for entry into his profession.

Many Architects carry double majors whereby they obtain an Engineering Degree or a Business Administration Degree in addition to Architecture. The Master's Degree is being taken by more Architects now than in the past. However, the Master's Degree is less important for the Architect than for the Engineer.

Does the Part 1 exam has grades? If i passed it and have a bachelor degree, is my chances of going to NUS for MArch still tough?

Do not worry. Relax, things are looking very good for Diploma in Architecture students who are studying in Taylors School of Architecture & Building Design.

Firstly, we will all be having the choice of the following universities after our Diploma in Architectural Technology; Universities that will be accepting us with a minimum cumulative average (achiever) of 60% only!!! That is too good to be true, and we (Diploma in Architecture) will also be going straight to the "Final" (3rd) year of their Part 1 Degree program.

You know, in the Malaysian Government Universities, you will only be allowed to enter into the 2nd year of their Part 1 Degree Program at the very best of your luck (I do not think that they would even accept you with a 60% cumulative average; you will need to be much better than that).

In addition, the Malaysian Government Universities can also just reject you, seeing that you are from a private university.

On the other hand, those oversea universities listed out below will be ever willing to accept you at a 60% cumulative average and give you a place in the final year of their Part 1 Degree; (These Universities also have their own Part 2 Architecture Degrees as listed in the parenthesizes.) 



Secondly, we, Taylor's Diploma in Architectural Technology today, will be having the chance to study in the new Taylor's Flagship State of the Art Lakeside University Campus upon its completion next year.

Thirdly, we will be having the option to remain back in Taylors by taking their Bachelor (Hons) of Science (Architecture), and then proceed to any of the universities listed up above straightaway into their Part 2 Degree!

just received offer for Taylor Bachelor 3yr Arch Degree this March intake but still pending if i should accept it and pay rm 58 k 
(plus oversea 2yrs to get B.Arch + spend over 200k)

[Note: Not yet accr. by PAM nor  LAM /JPA  (so cant get  PTPTN loan yet as no RUJ no.) .. just subject approved lo ]

OR

go to study in 'King Mongkut's University of Technology Thonburi' School of Architecture in thailand straight down 5YRs B.Arch. for rm60k only
(need SAT 1 pass/ TOEFL  or A-Level pass  plus Portfolio ..i can make it  )

Which path to choose.. i have very tight budget. . self supporting for next 5 yrs .
any comments recommendations..

LAM
Part I and II  Examination.. anyone know what kind of exam (interview, academic writing, or  ..?

is there actually much difference between ADP and the one offered in Taylor (not sure which)? from what my counselor told me ADP is only 4 years while the latter 1 is 6 years. She also said the syllabus are identical but a 2 years gap?

Yeah american degree program

sorry sorry 

i had to wait for a friend of mine to confirm.

its ADP and Melbourne Degree Programme. do u know anything about them?

not very detail, but i juz wanna know y the difference in years

Based on what I was told, the minimum qualification of the lecturers in the School of Architecture & Building Design is a Masters Degree, and that all of them are having good English proficiency. (Based from my observations so far, the lecturers were capable of giving good lectures, and they were also fluent in English.)

The "Standard" is clearly there, at Taylors. (BTW, if their Architecture course is being moderated by the University of Melbourne, then it would definitely need to be having the standard.)

Recently, there was a famous Architect who came to share his works with all of us, his works was great to say the least. (I really cannot describe how fantastic the works are, you will need to see it to know how awesome it is.)

That was my point.

I am glad to know that Taylor's Architecture program is moderated by the University of Melbourne. (Considering that the University of Melbourne is a top Architecture school.)

When I was enrolling into the Architecture program at Taylors, the admission officer had to inquire with the University of Melbourne on whether I could be accepted into the Architecture program or not. (The Melbourne U had to screen through my high school accomplishments and results.)

If Taylor's program is moderated by the University of Melbourne, then Taylors need to live up to the standard. 

[I cannot imagine Taylor's students graduating from a below par program, and then getting twinned to the University of Melbourne at a 60% cumulative average...] Taylors have to be good for the University of Melbourne to be able to accept their students at a 60% cumulative average.

It is not just the University of Melbourne that will be the only one accepting Taylor's students at a 60% cumulative average, but the following list of Universities will too >>>

Regarding the lecturers, a Masters Degree should already be adequate for the Diploma program, and for the Part 1 Degree progrm as well.

Why waste more $$$$ to employ PHD holders to lecture subjects that could be taught just as well by Masters Degree holders??? (Do you need to pay an Automotive Engineer to become your car mechanic, when a car mechanic, for less $$$$, could do the job for you just as well at this level???)

@azarimy

let's say i do take up architecture, from ur view, which kind of course should i take?

sry if i'm bugging..coz i'm a form5 without much knowledge about these but dun wanna wait till spm is over to get knowing

oops..i thought there's different kind of them?

erm..ok..

how do i become a full fledged architect? is gaining work experience a must? or once i graduate i'm officially one?

Erm....i'm kinda new here..... mind to let me know whether UIA AED foundation that is offer in UPU has an interview 1st b4 entering it?

and can u explain me more details bout the portfolio? 1 more thing.....

my spm result was 2a1=english,modmath 2a2=agama islam,addmath 3b3=b.melayu,sejarah,physics 2b4=biology,sport sc.

so am i qualified enuff for UIA AED foundation? 

hello! smile.gif
ill make this clear n short

i applied UCAS n got this conditional offers for undergraduate studies (architecture):

-->>UNI OF PLYMOUTH<<--
-->>UNI OF PORTSMOUTH<--

duration: 3 years
tuition fees: 8,750 pounds
course start: 22sept 08
i am really,badly in need of financial support! sweat.gif u know how expensive studying in uk will be...
but that will not stop me cz im very determine to study there!

i got 6A in spm (yeah..i wish i could get better..huuu) n will finish my foundation in architecture at Center Of Foundation Studies of IIUM (CFS IIUM) in june..but i already finish all my core course.
my personal estimation is to get 3.4-3.5 cgpa.
really hope u guys reading this could help me. rolleyes.gif
ive been browsing for days searching scholarships (if i cant get one, i should probably need to get a loan instead whistling.gif ) but there's prob like:

-only for LOCAL UNI
-ARCHITECTURE course is EXCLUDED
-not QUALIFIED (like for sime darby n Yayasan Khazanah Global Scholarship)
-wont sponsor for students GOING TO UK (yes..mara n jpa)
doh.gif doh.gif

ok, so after i graduate, i'm a part 2 architect, another 2 years of work experience i'm into part 3 already?

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Added on March 29, 2008, 6:21 pmfrom the chart there isnt part 3. so i assume everyone automatically upgrades to part 3 after 2 years?

WTH??? Even Curtin University of Technology is accredited by LAM - PAM??? (That is LIMKOKWING's partnership university lol! )

This is a surprise to me! (Azarimy, are you sure that the University of Melbourne is also accredited by LAM - PAM??? ) Why haven't I known this before??!!

To continue from where I left just now;

When you finish your Part 2 Degree, you are finally known as the real Architect; the one who can practice Architecture! (The MASTER BUILDER!)

You will have the option to register with the Board of Architects Malaysia to become a Chartered (Professional) Part 3 Architect. After registering as a Part 3 Architect, you will have to work for a minimum of two (2) years and fulfill the requirements, and then finally sit for the Part 3 exam in order to qualify as a Part 3 (Chartered/Professional) Architect.

hello. i would like to ask something.
i would like to apply diploma seni bina for politeknik. So, i would like to ask students or lecturer in architecture. I would lyke to ask you have you meet any student from politeknik diploma? how do they perform? because i heard thet politeknik student don't perform well in their degree. how bout politeknik students for architecture?

Edited: any other experienced stuedent or lecturer can give their opinion?

Then what is this from Architecture Malaysia (am) >>>
And >>>
From Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture

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Added on March 29, 2008, 8:37 pm

OK, thanks a lot for clarifying this part.

btw, is it easy to enter degree in UTM if i'm using my polytechnic diploma? is there any discrimination towards poly students in U?

how much polytechnic diploma pointer do i need to enter UTM architectural degree? do i still need to attend interview for degree?

btw, do architectural diploma in polytechnic require me to go through interview?

so that's mean after i get my diploma, i have to get a working experience for entering UTM degree?
does this apply only to poli student or to all diploma holder who is trying to apply for architecture degree? sorry for asking a lot of question?

owh. i see. tanx azarimy.

normally, diploma grads will go for draughtman position or architect assistant?

btw azarimy, do we need to attend interview for architect diploma in politeknik?

yeah. btw, i really thank you very much for helping me. you help me a lot.

i've came across an article somewhere in newspaper that architecture grads all manage to get job. it is the same level as doctor. 100% grads manage to get job.

UTM Architecture Student Top Winner of Just Jerusalem Global Competition

Skudai, 23rd March: Universiti Teknologi Malaysia's (UTM) architecture student has been declared top prize winner in the Just Jerusalem Competition, an international competition organized by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA.

The result was announced at MIT on March 21st and released simultaneously on the competition official website. Just Jerusalem was an open global competition attempted at seeking ideas and proposals that addressed different aspects of urban life in a futurist Jerusalem. The news was announced by the Vice Chancellor, Tan Sri Datuk Ir. Dr. Mohd Zulkifli bin Tan Sri Mohd Ghazali, in his officially address during the 40th Convocation held at UTM Skudai campus today.

Initially a total of 1,150 people from 85 countries registered for the competition. Eventually only 125 eligible proposals were accepted by the organizer which later undergone review by world-class panel of jury convened at MIT. Among the nine-member jury were Suha Ozkan and Herman Hertzberger, both a well-known scholars and architects.

Chan Wai Lai, a senior architecture student decided to take up the competition as her final year Design Thesis project at beginning of the academic session. She hoped and aspired to see Jerusalem as city of peace through the idea of sharing. In her project abstract, she elaborated,

"Without raising awareness of the need for sharing, energies devoted to constructing iconic architecture or designing beautiful buildings do not make sense. To achieve new and true peace, we must solve the problems of man, not of buildings, facilities or land division -- because all these problems come from man alone."

As an expression of hope for future Jerusalem she adopted "Children's Village for Jerusalem" as the title for her competition entry. It is in the children that she hoped the future community of peace would be nurtured and raised out of a built environment that she have designed, and hopefully in the end the proposed dwelling environment would help to address social equality and harmony among citizenry of Jerusalem.

As top winner she will be given the opportunity to spend up to an academic semester in residence at MIT as Jerusalem Visionary Fellow, with all expenses paid, including travel, housing, and stipend. It is estimated that a total amount USD50,000 been allocated for her appointment as visionary fellow.

all right, i'll give them a call this Monday.

Btw, from ur experience, do u remember mostly, the polytechnic student studying in UTM for degree come from which poly?

just asking. tanx in advance

yeah, rite now am searching or the right poly to study. i'm worry a bit about the lecturer. heh. but i don't expect myself to just live by spoon fed till i grad.

btw azarimy, you're continuing ur study in UK under sponsorship or self-sponsor?

hah. i believe that u r not from wealthy famly, but i don't believe that urself r not wealthy. hak3.

who sponsor you to study in UK? mind sharing how you get there?

Hi , im new to this thread and i find it very helpful indeed.If it wasn't for azarimy i would have known nothing bout architecture.Thank you arazimy !Well , there's something i would like to enquire about.If i were to study in a non-accredited school and have taken the LAM exam independently, does  it mean my degree would then be accredited by LAM ?

if for example a building collapses or something similar, will the architect in charge of it be found responsible? from what i heard even if there's flaw in the design the architects will be exempted.