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QUOTE(chris_c28 @ Feb 25 2008, 03:30 PM) nola, we are pushing the australian to be better QUOTE(mwkh_hope @ Feb 25 2008, 04:35 PM) Thx.. .really appreciate ur effort.... coz everyone wake up 3 to 2 hr ahead? Now i do understand why this thread most of the replies are early in the morning... hehe QUOTE(Plant @ Feb 25 2008, 04:55 PM) MY bro in QUT only see 7 asians and all white in his class ooo Plant, which design are you in? I am into design so... i expected all white, come australia lior must speak proper australia english. |
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QUOTE(mwkh_hope @ Feb 26 2008, 07:33 AM) yup chaser war read up here Chaser War and watch this » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by KVReninem: Feb 26 2008, 06:56 AM |
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QUOTE(PeNNyPupZ @ Feb 26 2008, 11:28 AM) yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa we're paying double the price T_T 25K aud or ringgit?and in my institute.. my course, international students pay like 25 grand for the course but local students dont pay anything.. thats why we're called PAYING students.. mehs no concession. sadsad penny, we got no choice. btw how much you paying for your diploma? me pay about 9.8k per yr. |
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QUOTE(PeNNyPupZ @ Feb 26 2008, 12:21 PM) 2 yrs 25k aud eh cannot be so high.. i`m studying dip.building design here in holmesglen, south of you about 12.5k a yr, which is more than me i tot tafe programme is like regulated, besides, is boxhill helping you getting PR? |
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Feb 26 2008, 12:54 PM) You're lucky then, my course costs me 20k aud a year. Only masters students and locals here get concessions. cool, hopefully mine is under shortage too I'm applying for a Power Consortium bursary since i'm majoring in power and analog electronics. If you're taking a course which has industry wide shortages, i suggest you look around since the benefits are good, it also adds to the chance of getting a PR once you're done or by the very least, an employer vouched Visa. Queensland is suffering from a shortage of engineers, so i guess anyone willing to give scholarships a fling for relevant courses probably could get them. design aint much, once more land, need more drafting people |
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QUOTE(kamagotchi @ Feb 26 2008, 01:19 PM) We should! Some international students brought up a case against the NSW government to allow us to be entitled for the concession, we actually won the case but the NSW government took it to the federal court. I guess we'll have to wait for like 3 more yrs until this case settles. somehow, victoria transport ministers smartness alrdy make a law that no more complain bill and they manage to bar us from going further. to me it is basically stupid, why you wanna giv exchange student smth cheaper while intl student come in and solve your shortage and economic probs long run pay more. i think i wanna talk to tailo kevin rudd to kick the transport minister of victoria about this so called small issues. This post has been edited by KVReninem: Feb 26 2008, 12:29 PM |
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QUOTE(mwkh_hope @ Feb 26 2008, 07:44 PM) Well, Utas do have to concession for most of the items.. it's sound good especially for me as archi student.. Still trying to my best to max it.. okok archi student, send me some autocad concession price ya hehe jk. QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 26 2008, 08:00 PM) i think you all have to see all this in perspective..... I go back my country I See, I Feel, I Heard - rants, shisssts, name it and things aint getting better.I have to move and get out of this context to see what a developed country offer and be a global citizen.the 'concessions' actually means a subsidy from the public purse.......which means their tax money....... they pay high taxes, and therefore rightly expect some returns in services, be it education, parks, concessions etc........ you as an international student, have NOT contributed anything at all to the country, nor did your parents.......therefore cannot expect to enjoy the same benefits as the locals...... your fees is the REAL cost of education there, plus a bit of profit.......the locals pay about 1/3, the balance being subsidised by the public purse (called commonwealth supported places), and citizens can defer paying their fees, till they graduate and start work, once their income exceeds a predetermined threshold, the IRD starts cutting some deductions from their salary for paying this debt......... a very fair, and equitable system.......... thus those in states with transport concessions, should be thankful they are so generous to you.....they do NOT have to........ in the old days, they were even more generous, and some of your parents actually had 'free' education in oz (and nz, uk, and canada), actually again subsidised by their tax payers........these days are long gone....... exchange students are different, they are 'exchange' ie from another country, in exchange for an aussie to study there.......thus they accord the same privileges to exchange students, as the other countries accord the same to the aussie students overseas..........understand......? so stop complaining......if there is any complain you want to make, it should be against YOUR own government, why you have/need to go overseas to study, when your parents have paid msian taxes all their lives, and got nothing back in return......... Limeuu, you are going to be medical student as far as i recalled, you got into unimelb if i`m not mistaken. A good question to you, why do you come to australia for medical degree 5 years and pay high inflation projected for 6 raise next few years?And damn you asked me to stay in Malaysia and face the damn NEP, (our chua soi lek so smartness go and screw someone), our chinese so called MCA is handshaking with the *animal who point keris to chinese and media worldwide asking for bloodbath*, the Indian who make noise and they got bullied, and our Prime minister who like to sleep in conference?*heard you tak suka u keluar the other days* You asked me to go back for better future? maybe thats for you mate Ask you one more thing, will you go back and serve malaysia? because i just heard recently from my friend, he rant to me the doctors in one of the general hospital is pure bloody shit class and he asked me where the hell is my dad, uncle, your dad, his dad tax money paid by them to so called BN govt and get something as this situation, *you mau macam mana? kemo ke, bayar bill keluar ke?, instead of giving a good option to prolong patient live? get the idea? you say? your future as medical person as a profession, how will you help your country? the reason i`m alittle arise by the bill by transport minister is because it can help to boost melbourne economy rather than sinking it.think twice.Intl Student pay to everything, include work tax, you say you still support it which deep trouble connex who cant solve the trouble sardines train from pakenham and cranbourne daily? what if the uni`s turn shits, what will victoria state get? nothing. Ripping off the locals? just a little of concession isnt tat gonna benefit something they dont see? nothing is free in this generation, everyone knows. QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Feb 26 2008, 08:06 PM) WTH?The living cost in these 2 states is high enough and they still want to suck more on public transport. complain like bird singing in shrine of remembrance, ,melb Luckily i live near to the uni. Added on February 26, 2008, 7:11 pm Yeah,even we complain to our government,they wont do anything.Complain for what?Want to go to Kampung ISA? This post has been edited by KVReninem: Feb 26 2008, 08:18 PM |
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 26 2008, 09:15 PM) i am giving a perspective view of the issues here.........so people know why certain decisions and policies are made........ i`m using the usual lyn english, nothing fancy okay, my bad, i can't tell you all not to complain, ventilation is a good way of venting frustrations...... not being touchy, doesn't affect me at all actually, just to set the facts right......... Added on February 26, 2008, 8:28 pm i am having a wee bit of problem understanding here.......needs work on the english, me thinks..... and where did i ever ask anyone to stay in msia?......... i am fully aware of the issues of msian domestic education and its problems..... as foreign students, oz has an obligation to provide you an education for money, and nothing extra.......that is all i am pointing out amidst all the ranting and raving about transportion costs......we all know a majority of full fees students (from all over, not just msia) goes there with the intention of eventually settling there.......but until such time you get your residency papers, you are still a full fees international student with a dream....... put yourself in the other shoes........how do you feel about indonesian and bangla students studying in msian ipta, taking places from you, given the same privileges as you........ well you asked to go back and rant our country, if put my shoes in other shoes, if they can do as well as we malaysian by not so called discrimination of damn stupid internal policy, i will give the same privileges if they can help to solve our country medical needs instead run away to australia it is whole pool of this issues, better not get into this very detail or else will be studying in medical back to topic, wanna complain about public transport, ask locals how they complain the sardines train on NYE and daily and why connex still get the contract after fail to deliver. |
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Feb 26 2008, 10:01 PM) I dont mind having public transport concession if it's not as ridiculous as now. ya, walk is better, fit and healthy Citizen,PRs and exchange students has 50% discount.Thats just too much for us. I guess i'll just avoid it if possible to keep the living cost down.Walking is good for health too. It's not a big deal compare to the NEP. |
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QUOTE(RBR @ Feb 27 2008, 10:05 AM) Used cars attract stamp duties too. It doesn't matter what tax bracket you're in, you're still part of the tax system. Furthermore, as an Australian resident for tax purposes (meaning they pay Australian tax on their worldwide income), it is only fair that international students gain the benefits of it. RBR, what benefits? more cars, more pollution, sux victoria.. This post has been edited by KVReninem: Feb 27 2008, 10:13 AM |
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QUOTE(haya @ Feb 27 2008, 01:59 PM) As Shakespeare said, there are only 2 things in life that are certain: death and taxes. get it I don't see why this is an issue. Limeuu is right: none of us here pay taxes. Everyone pays GST, be it tourists, students, the beggar on the street. As I've said from the start, there are many factors one have to take when choosing a university, not just the name of the university, not is a certain university is good for a particular course. And if you're (or your parents) are paying, cost is one factor, and knowing which state gives concessions to international students is one of the factors in deciding where I ended up. You cant say the universities haven't warned you. I picked up the 2008 INTERNATIONAL student prospectus for Melbourne U and UNSW today, and they very clearly say under "living expences" that international students DO NOT get concession fares on public transport, plus a estimate of $30/week for public transport costs. All in plain English, in font size 12. It is a known fact that many people abuse the student visa. I lived with Indians, and they spent more time working than in uni. Sure, they rake in $1000/week doing 3 jobs, enrolled in a easy course in a dodgy university, but at the end of the day it is unfortunate people like me, who didn't do so well, and have to retake subjects a possibly face the battle of extending my student visa for legitimate reasons, that will suffer. That's why I always tell Malaysians: don't do stupid things. Its bad enough that Indians and Asians have a bad name; its even worst when in "3 races Malaysia" we have BOTH Asians and Indians! KVReninem, if not spelling, at least learn how to paragraph. This is why I ask for proper English. I'm not asking it to be enforced Lowyat.net wide; you can use your short forms in the Kopitiam. I'm not even asking for it to be enforced in the Education Essentials subforum. All i ask, is that all participants of the Studying in Australia thread, who persumably should have a IELTS score of 6, to use proper English. Is that too much to ask? QUOTE(december88 @ Feb 27 2008, 03:21 PM) i agree with you in that, not to mention that the aussie ppl pay more taxes almost comparable to other countries, so it's fair that they invest in their own ppl cause at the end of the day, it is them(local students) that's gonna supplement the tax system for the pension/welfare and etc in the future. exactly, those in west malaysia ripped us(borneo) so much that none is return, my heart is to sarawak and borneo. But well, environment change us, the world is flatter now, just be global citizen yeah man i agree with you, unless you're sponsored by the malaysian goverment then you have no choice but to work there, i'm just like you a global citizen. And when i choose to study overseas my mom told me clearly that i don't come back to Malaysia to work here and go get your PR straight off, which at 1st i feel a bit offended since i want to work in Sarawak, but yeah for me probably it's the better choice and i felt fortunate enough to have the opportunity to study overseas with my parents $$$. And btw i also hav a friend who study in melbourne and his dad bought an apartment which is like 2 mins walk to the university i also asked him either he's looking to come back and work in Malaysia, he said 'for what work there', so i assume his older brother who's a med. student will not come back to work in Malaysia. Btw if you read today's paper 'The Age', there was an editorial regarding the election in Malaysia and not to mention the references regarding the richest chief minister in Malaysia. Anyway i may not work in Malaysia, but my state Sarawak will always be in my heart and also the people there who deserve MUCH MORE from the state government. welcome to Adelaide man, you came at the right time, weather is perfect and not too hot anyway enjoy Adelaide. hey mooze i noticed we're doing the same course mate. i didn't see you today during the preliminary classes. 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Holy shit it is worst than streamyx. Added : I've been here for like two weeks, i saw alot of asian girl more than guys... weird where are they?? Are they at home playing games, psp, DS. Ask your chinaman owner which ISP he applied to. thats why, download too much underbelly show, .u want those asian girl plant? haha Anyone watched underbelly? This post has been edited by KVReninem: Feb 27 2008, 04:57 PM |
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QUOTE(haya @ Feb 27 2008, 06:48 PM) You mean this: http://business.theage.com.au/malaysia-nee...80226-1v0i.html Haya, how i wish it was balklands, peace in sarawak aint same west malaysia.Ah, Michael Backman. Even if you disagree with him, you have to admit he has a point. More Malaysian election coverage here: http://news.theage.com.au/malaysias-opposi...80220-1tb9.html http://news.theage.com.au/malaysian-blogge...80223-1u3c.html And don't get me started about the East/West (Malaysia) divide. You "westerners" should be lucky that we are peace loving Sarawakians. If this was the Balklands we'd have declared independence a long time ago. QUOTE(empire23 @ Feb 27 2008, 09:31 PM) I know i know, harder to handle among other things, but still it's pretty much cheaper than getting a decent car and heck i'm itching to learn something new. I'm planning to get good training to something above 300cc due to fact my housemate has an IDL for a heavy bike, so there's an advantage to it. Might be going to the driving and riding school along Ruthven street tomorrow for a consult. abang rempit, go get Vespa scooter your aussie female`s will attracted with your Vespa`s Added on February 28, 2008, 6:14 am QUOTE(chris_c28 @ Feb 27 2008, 10:47 PM) It's because Australia has a poor Internet backbone infrastructure due to years of government neglect and Telstra monopoly. The cap limits ensure residential users do not choke the limited bandwidth the ISP controls. now you know why If you want greater bandwidth, there are always enterprise grade plans, but be prepared to pay a huge premium (why would you need that much bandwidth anyway? Go legit once in a while). The Unlimited plans are usually governed by a "Fair Use" policy. What this policy dictates is that you are expected to keep your average usage within reasonable limits or else you may incur additional charges or speed caps once you abuse the "unlimited" capacity. Added on February 27, 2008, 9:51 pm Why do you download a show you can view on FTA TV? ....oh wait, poor Melburnians. Your courts screwed you over. what to do, neh..bittorrent Added on February 28, 2008, 6:23 am QUOTE(december88 @ Feb 28 2008, 06:58 AM) Lolz, hate that happening man, we both have diff. view in this, at least we agree then we are better off without the west. we could be just like brunei sadly ....... No, i dont wish sarawak be like brunei, all monopoly by sultanese, you wish to expand sarawak economy also hard.you think brunei is tat good? healthcare system yes, but management is monarchy type, anything must related with sultan, anytime screwed, you go out of work too. This post has been edited by KVReninem: Feb 28 2008, 06:23 AM |
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QUOTE(december88 @ Feb 28 2008, 10:23 AM) sry, all the above except administration, i prefer a secular goverment and of course an efficient check and balance agency that is independent of the goverment like an onbudsman system. anway brunei health care is giler good, last time i went to a private hospital in Damansara visit my grandma, and this brunei's women was having an operation there and she stayed in a 5-star hotel all paid for by the goverment, anyway she was a nice lady, of course brunei could afford that since they have a low population and not to mention none of theirs citizen pay income taxes, now imagine sarawak with all those hydro energy and also our 'virgin' land that's suitable for palm oil. Man ...surely our people could be better off without the west, anyway 'he' stayed too long on power ...... and beside he rule and divide, headache la sarawak politics, even the Iban's can't seem to work together. haha now you see my point about victoria need to have concession is about to be right Anyway i read the age newspaper today, and the Monash University VC was complaining abt the government scheme abt getting rid of full-fees for domestic student and replacing it with HCES scheme, and also he point out regarding losing international students to other countires because of the Vic. government refusal for public transport concenssion rate for international students there. you know victoria state is basically dying in term of business and economic pie. strong industry in finance/banking but reduce lots of manufacturing industry. Part of their income also come from Intl student al over the world and migration ground for most TR who just arrived. Look at the big picture, if Victoria to allow concession to Intl. student without the matter of discrimination issue, it will boost the education system in Victoria funding better and create more job-related industry to R/D to other states in Australia. Melbourne can be leading role, but it core of income is dying, manufacturing shifted to China, Vietnam etc etc. nothing much is offer from agriculture and defense Added on February 28, 2008, 9:59 am QUOTE(QuackSilver @ Feb 28 2008, 10:16 AM) hmmm...not sure about the prices now but i do recall that the Vespas were priced much much higher compared to say Yamahas over here back in last year. same thing happening? not sure, but vespa This post has been edited by KVReninem: Feb 28 2008, 09:59 AM |
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QUOTE(haya @ Feb 28 2008, 01:42 PM) Frankly, I'll take Taib over any attempt by UMNO to come into Sarawak. Look at what UMNO has done to Sabah. I mean seriously, what does it take to satisfy "westerners"? We give them 95% of our oil revenue, give up our forests (and the nomadic lifestyle of the Penans) to build a dam which with so much surplus power we don't need, allow Rio Tinto to make a smelter plant, learn Bahasa Malaysia, give them Idris Jala to save MAS, and they still want to come in and destroy us. well, everyone have their own point of view, let`s not get to sarawak issue so much, this is studying in australia mate We just swapped one colonial power for another. And we didn't mind Anthony Brooke. On a matter of broadband speed, lets assume all you get is 10KB/s with streamyx. Run it flat out 24/7/30, and you'll still be able to pull about 25GB of data, for RM66 a month. Even we assume a purchasing power of 1 to 1 with the RM/AUD, A$ 66/month gets you about 20-30GB of data allowance. I don't think there is any difference there. Bandwidth is expensive in Australia, as there are only 2 main cables connecting Australia to the outside world: Southern Cross Cable (SXC) and the Australia-Japan Cable (AJC), unlike SEA where we seem to be surrounded by cables left, right and center. Through it didn't help much in end 2006 when the Hengchun earthquake struck. And if you think Australia is bad, wait till you see poor old New Zealand. They only one cable to the outside world, and when Auckland lost power for 14 hours in 2006, the whole of NZ lost all internet connectivity. QUOTE(knuxed @ Feb 28 2008, 02:25 PM) no one, mas i reckon alot in airport schools almost start, so ya. QUOTE(chris_c28 @ Feb 28 2008, 02:26 PM) hopefully not |
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