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 Turtles, Terrapins and Tortoises V3, Shell reptiles please enter here...

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SAMPERTH
post Mar 14 2008, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(blazin_fir3 @ Mar 14 2008, 01:12 PM)
Sam, the image u post can't be seen >.< thx for inputs =)
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http://home.att.net/~horsenutrition101/hay.html

Image posted from the above link - Table 1
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post Mar 19 2008, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(blazin_fir3 @ Mar 19 2008, 06:19 PM)
I think the food given is a bit bad..the mixture of taste between mushroom and cherry? Cherry is sweet too..don't think its a good source of food coz it has a high sugar content?..IMHO..
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BTW what make you think that is cherry ?? I think I saw some small seed among them ( cherry only has a pitt inside) !! I reckon thats tomatoes !!

As for the high sugar content Forest species like those Burmese star in the pic can and will eat fruits with a higher sugar content with no negative effect !! Asian brown or Black , Yellow and Red -footed , elongated tortoise are some other species ( forest origin ) that have a sweet tooth !!

Just maybe the owner is giving a treat of button mushroom and tomatoes once in a while !!!

As for mushroom those oyster mushroom are a good treat if your tortoise likes it !!!
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post Mar 19 2008, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(Fat^Cat @ Mar 19 2008, 08:16 PM)
YEAH, Im agree with you Sam... Anyway, long time didnt hear from you Sam. Button Mushroom is normally Chinese ppl use is it? For Wantan Mee & some other dish is it? Its dried one, then we need to RENDAM the mushroom first is it?

blazin_fir3 : Thats not Cherry. Its Tomatoes. Those small2 type one. You can find that kind of Tomatoes at TESCO in packets.


Added on March 19, 2008, 7:22 pm

Wah... how big your ST until can bite you? can email or PM me yr ST pics?
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http://www.mushroomadventures.com/kits.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_mushroom
White Button
(Agaricus bisporus)

That button mushroom are sold fresh here in Australia very similar to those canned button mushroom( as for those dried one I reckon its a different kind - shitaki maybe )


Small small type are call cherries tomatoes !!!
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post Mar 23 2008, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(Fat^Cat @ Mar 23 2008, 04:12 AM)
Sound so HOMO...  rclxs0.gif with animal some more  rclxub.gif  ( Joked )


Added on March 23, 2008, 3:39 am

Yours one consider a baby still. Need more attention on it. Frankly, ST is a sencetive tortoise. Dont worry so much about the pyramiding. If you give your ST proper diets, they will be ok. Its normal lah if got slightly pyramiding for ST especially for the female.

For ST, humidity is very important to prevent them from kena RNS & etc. So i suggest each of you need to put the thermometer & hygrometer for your ST. Digital one is the best to get an accurate measurement and durability.

Here are the Humidity Levels for few types of tortoise : -

For STAR TORTOISE humidity should be maintained around 40%-50%
For RADIATED TORTOISE around 60%-70%
For SULCATA TORTOISE around 35%-45%
For LEOPARD TORTOISE around 25%-35%
For IMPRESSA TORTOISE around 70%-80%


Added on March 23, 2008, 3:56 amHopefully these pictures will help you all to diffrenciate your Star Tortoise either its Male or Female  hmm.gif
( Only can see when their size are 4 inches & above ) rolleyes.gif

MALE
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FEMALE

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Fat^Cat

How big are those 2 Star in the 2 sexing pictures ! Are they breedable now ?

Those 2 pic look kind of familar - from another forum ??

I would like to say something on the Sulcata 's humidity level
- If they are raised in our Malaysian humidity since very young ( hatchlings size ) they can stand humidity level to 80 % I have seen a friend's 14 inch sulcata living outdoor ( lawn ) all year round

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QUOTE(Fat^Cat @ Mar 24 2008, 05:11 AM)
Sam...

The pic i took from MF before for my reference blush.gif I think its yours lah tongue.gif  sorry bro... Just posted to make reference for them. Will take it out if you not happy


Added on March 24, 2008, 4:22 am
Mine ?? No lah

Even thou I am sam too but those not mine !!

Could it be Sam the Radiated LOL
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post Mar 26 2008, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Fat^Cat @ Mar 26 2008, 02:20 PM)
I think its much better to discuss it here reither to put in TTT Quick Guide. Because each TTT have diffrent settings, tempretures, humidity levels. Also same with the lamps, bedding & etc, their prices are not fix & the type of bedding too. At lease we have many topics to discuss here & make our TTT forum looks more happening & alive !
For those beginners, you can always ask here or you can refer to our previous forum discussions. Thats what is forum for. We discuss, share opionions & ideas !!!


Added on March 26, 2008, 1:40 pm

IMPORTANT : Dont mix up your Ally Snapper. They will fight each other for sure. Maybe not now but in future they will do ( Maybe you can sell one to me  tongue.gif )

I just put mine in a 4 feets Aquarium ( depands on your Ally's size ). The water level abit higher from the Ally Snapper's head, so its easy for them to take a breathe. Put one filter pump & let the pump blow the water to make the water running ( If your Ally Snapper too small, no need to do this ). Do it similar like inside the river  nod.gif

Dont feed your Ally Snapper everyday. enough once or twice a week because they very fast to growing up until so big  smile.gif


Added on March 26, 2008, 1:54 pm

Dont call me Sifu lah blush.gif Someone else here deserve for it  nod.gif  I just like to share my knowledges, experiences & opinions which i also know & get from others when i was a beginner before. We all here like in a family members ( TTT Family ). So, we should help, share & advice each other to make sure our TTT having a good life with us  cheers.gif
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@ELMO
Dont worry about them fighting ( but hungry individual will attack anything that come too close) !! especially the alligator snapper BUT if its the common snapper they will fight ( ending with missing digits on limbs and shorten tail ) sometimes even at the sight of each other !!


@Fat^Cat
Maybe you could deepen the water level a bit and you will see your Ally snapper will become "less " aggressive towards each other !! I usually give about 2.5 to 3 X the height of its shell's height !! Do feed them about 3 meal a week after say 6 inch or more
- My babies / hatchlings are feed every day
- Adults of a foot or more are feed about 1-2 times a week


Most Ally snapper will become more aggressive when taken out of water or when the water level drop to a level when its shell is exposed !!

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QUOTE(ELM0 @ Mar 26 2008, 06:43 PM)
any pics of the home???
also pics of the allg snappers hehe???
i just check just now i think both are males T_T
i tot 1 of them is female , i feed them 3 times a day
morning and noon each 1 blood worm at nite each prawns
also i put in long kang fish for them to hunt when they have nth to do but sadly they cant catch any of them cry.gif

i wan know this part, when take them out of the water and see face to face do they always bite their own feet?? coz mine keep on wan bite its right feet
haha my snappers tail both oso gone coz of fighting
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Home ? Just a simple blue tank of 6 by 4 by 2 feet with a top filter !!

Animals long gone sold when I left to work in Australia !! My Avatar pic is of one of them !!

How big are yours ? to be able to sex correctly !!! ( But since u mention they can still eat blood worm - they must still be babies / hatchlings size of no more than 3-4 inch SCL

Longkang fish too small lah try baby koi or similar size prey !!!


Added on March 26, 2008, 6:41 pm
QUOTE(ELM0 @ Mar 26 2008, 06:43 PM)


i wan know this part, when take them out of the water and see face to face do they always bite their own feet?? coz mine keep on wan bite its right feet
haha my snappers tail both oso gone coz of fighting
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They actually trying to bite your hand LOL not their feet !!

Any pic to show of your animals - their tail , setup maybe ?

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QUOTE(ELM0 @ Mar 26 2008, 08:02 PM)
here is my allg snapper tank
they are about 2" and 3" size
this is the bigger 1  kind hard get a steady pic blush.gif
small 1 in the water
bottom 1 is my pig nose turtle hehe , the small 1 cant catch so no pics sorry
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Thanks for sharing !!

I might be wrong but I think yours are common snapper ( as ally cant stretch their head that long )!! An out of water pic maybe ? Maybe your purchase price may shed some light on whether yours is common or Ally !! But all nice animals no doubt !!

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QUOTE(hong123 @ Mar 27 2008, 09:58 AM)
Hie Guys and Gals,

Wow! This forum has been really active with posts there few days ya. Here's a few pics of mine. Have a question, since calcium supplement is so important for tortoise, is it the same for ally snapper? If yes I really have no idea how to feed ally snapper with calcium supplement, haha. Any suggestion?

Thanks ya.

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Dont you feed them wholesome food ?? ie whole live feeder fish or shrimp or did you filet the small fish or peeled the baby shrimp before feeding ?

The bones in the fish , shell on the shrimp = extra calcium !!!

Those water snail can also be used as food n their shell as calcium supplement when ingested !!!

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QUOTE(blazin_fir3 @ Mar 27 2008, 03:59 PM)
Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't those radiated? The shell is higher and length is shorter compared to a ST.. no?
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No , both Indian Star or Sri-Lankan Star Radiated has a different pattern on their shell!! !
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Mar 28 2008, 01:51 AM)
3-4 times per week, to simulate their natural eating behavior. Rapid growth leads to shorter lifespan, so please take note.

Feeding them daily would make their digestive system overworked and leads to early failure.
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QUOTE(Fat^Cat @ Mar 28 2008, 01:57 AM)
Better not lah... as what i know, they need sometime to digest their food... Some more, your ST will grow bigger than their age, which is unbalance..... So, better feed them 2 days once.
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@ Uzairi
If feed rubbish food ( high protein , low fiber) all the time the failure will be in renel system !! But if let browse on lawn / grass all the time then no problem done as grass are low protein high fiber type of food !!!

@ Fat^Cat

If the intestine is not full how to " push " the old shit from yesterday's Breakfast / Dinner out of system !!! LOL but smaller ration into more meals , I agree

*If they are hungry they will seek out anything that look like food ie. substrate - wood chip , corn cob , wood shave , pebbles ....etc and eat them

But at the moment I dont have any chelonian as pets so you people can choose to ignore me !!!!!

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QUOTE(beycont @ Apr 1 2008, 02:57 AM)
Hey guys,

Just wondering if anyone knows how much a russian tort would cost?
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Russian Tortoise - Testudo horsfieldii
Like above ?? ( not mine , a friend's )

I think depending on where you buying anywhere from RM 300 to 600 a pc

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QUOTE(beycont @ Apr 3 2008, 02:11 AM)
Its not blocked, its just sitting on a pyramid of planks, the temp at the basking area is at 35-36 degrees.
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The temp is good already so a few more cm nearer , lower may " cook " your tortoise !! Is there a water dish inside ? ( If so thats your cause for your higher humidity)

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QUOTE(beycont @ Apr 3 2008, 11:08 AM)
Nope, no water dish inside...this is really doing my head in... rclxub.gif

Just wondering if a higher watt basking light will be able to lower the humidity, somewhere along the lines of 100-150?
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Where and how did you take the humidity reading ?? the other side of enclosure or directly under basking light ??

A higher watt light will not only lower humidity but will also increase the temp greatly ie pass the 40 oC mark !!!
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QUOTE(beycont @ Apr 3 2008, 12:38 PM)
I took it somewhere in the middle of the basking light and the cool end of the enclosure.

As for the higher watt, that is one of my concerns of raising the temp too high, but i read somewhere that if the condition in the enclosure is warm and humid it will be ok for stars? As opposed to it being cold and humid.
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Warm n humid is also a good place to " grow" bacteria !!! Where is the whole enclosure placed ?
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QUOTE(kaseinogen @ Apr 8 2008, 03:11 PM)
and i want to know what is this 2 spp from all sifu here....
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user posted image

The first one Trachemys scripta sp ( same sp as the RES but slight colour variation from genetic )

user posted image

The next one is a Lissemys punctata or flapshell !!!

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QUOTE(anbusan @ Apr 8 2008, 07:32 PM)
selain sawi and pallet what should I feed my RES? I just feed my RES with sawi everyday and pallet once a week.
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Sawi everyday ?? A varied diet is the way to go for all animals !! I will preefer pellets everyday and sawi in between will be a better choice !! As pellets has more needed minerials and protein for growth But lack natural fibers !!!
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QUOTE(spirit of demon @ Apr 9 2008, 09:23 PM)
hello, may i know wat is the differernt between radiated tortoise n star tortoise... they are differernt or they are same
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They are different
- country of origin !!

Indian / Sri-Lankan Star ( Geochelone elegans ) - Indian subcontinent including Sri Lanka

Burmese Star ( Geochelone platynota ) - Burma

Radiated Tortoises - Geochelone (Astrochelys) radiata - Madagascar Island

- Pattern on shell
- Maximum size also differ !!

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Apr 11 2008, 08:04 PM)
radiated is a tropical species, it is more hardy and as fragile as st so any size would do.
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Radiated , Tropical ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiated_tortoise
QUOTE(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiated_tortoise)
They prefer dry regions of brush, thorn (Diderae) forests and woodlands of southern Madagascar


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QUOTE(mikelim2020 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:01 PM)
thx 4 da friendly welcome.. where to c u guy's turts n torts????
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Past pages is a good start ! or Turtles, Terrapins and Tortoises V1 , V2

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