Guys..
In terms of performance..
in your opinion, an Xbox 360 would perform as same as which type of PC configuration? I mean the processor, graphic card, etc..

Any idea?

First, Xbox 360 with PC ARE NOT SAME

PC is much more powerful than Xbox 360 on working.
Gaming also but it is depends

Xbox 360 and pc totally different, so dont try to compare them

Pc gt calculator but 360 dont hv

lololololol.
PC pawned

people is asking abt performance wise in gaming..
who said XBOX cannot turn into a calculator?

really Xbox 360 got calculator function ?
I dont know eh.

Yes, this kind of thread is making war only.
Kindly refer to Hardware section,

and, a Godly PC will pawned Xbox 360.
PC render much more than Xbox.

O r'ly?? 360 can turn into a calculator??

last time my frend said the PS2's graphic r better than PC, after i show him my PC then he only know that PC pawn console, same goes, SLI 8800 ULTRA + quad core, pawn 360...

I know we cant compare it with exact benchmark and calculation..
I just want an estimation..

for example:
maybe the performance is equivalent with a pentium dual core 1.6Ghz with a 7800gt 3d card. Something like that. Get what I mean?

xbox 360 graphic output setting = PC 8600GT setting in games only......

anything with a cpu(alu unit) can be use to calculate arithmetic..

everyone know that PC will surely pawned xbox.. PC pawned it upside down..
but the thread starter is curious what kind of spec a PC will be to be similar with XBOX 360 performance.

i'm not shooting.. cos i'm curious too for the XBOX spec.. <PEACE>

Sure Xbox 360 wont lag you in every scence.
Every second, unless got problem.

If you wanna play every game at full details without anylag, i think SLI 8800Ultra is needed, if wanna play Crysis very high, 1900x1200, 4xaa , 16xaf.
Tri-8800Ultra

i not mean those calculation lar wat i means is the calculator like wat u found in PC, start > program > accessories > calculator

no need lar, u just need a 8800GT or a quadro will do

That pc specs is way beyond Xbox360 leagues.
Xbox360 is built mainly fer gaming, not any pc-like applications.
Furthermore Xbox360 is only RM1600. What do you expect from RM1600 hardwares?

erm....1 major different is that PC hv unlimit improvement, like upgrade or changing hardware and so on, but 360 the limit is set there, it is good for now, maybe the graphic is better than PC, but later on it will become outdate just like wat PS1 now..

btw doesnt the X360 use a 7800GTX architecture GPU? Thats what i heard lah....Anyway you cant compare them because a PC is not a fixed platform...it always changes...what is a PC now will be different from PC's in 5 months times and so on....Hence making softwares for the endless new drivers and hardware is a real pain and headache...

PC graphics is better coz u will need to burn RM4K++ for superb graphic and xbox360 only rm1600....

those console graphic 50% depents GC 50% is depents on CD...dun forget xbox 360 is using HD-DVD!...HD-DVD is 50% more clear than DVD....Even Xbox 360 is using Nvidia7900XT as GC...result out also same as 8800GTS.....WHen i play Ghost Recon Advance Warfighter...in Xbox graphic = PC Very high setting (PC i used 8800GTS SLI result = same graphic to Xbox 360 HD-DVD result)


PS3...DO it got GC..i tell u it dun have.....WHY PS3 graphic so so Pretty?

PS3 using 8 Extreme Processor (Normal PC is 5Ghz super max OC with nitrogen liquid) But PS3 Processor is 20GHZ=2Trilion per second speed without OC MEANS 8X20 GHZ = 160GHZ PROCESSOR in PS3!!!!! plus using Blue-Ray Disk...150% more clear view than DVD....PS3 no GC but result same to 8800Ultra Triple SLI result (Do u guys see Grand Tusimo newest one? play games like see a Movie...SO SO real....Even 8800ultra triple SLi also cannot do that maybe.......
Back to X-box 360....it using HD-DVD and x-box processor is 1 trilion per second speed...means 10Ghz Processor without OC....so PC how to beat those console ? Console no need GC at all using it processor power can make ur games see very nice and Very Fast!!!

DO u see Console games make u lag before? LOL!!!!


Conclusion:Console gaming they no depents on GC they used quality on HD-DVD or Blue Ray Disk to win PC......and Processor too~~~

Here the Link to let u see :PS3 power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwCDhMJ6-r4&feature=related

Console Graphic Tech is far more higher than PC graphic setting.......

This post has been edited by RegentCid: Jan 22 2008, 11:41 PM

U can't use the word HD-DVD/Blu-Ray and Compare to Normal DVD n judge the HD-DVD/BR have better graphics Quality ... U are right when u go to Video format like HD/BR use 720p/1080p and DVD in movie only using 420p or even less...

In gaming, those Disk are use to store data.. the only thing different btwn them are only HDDVD/BR have higher capacity where DVD have lower.. how good is the picture quality fully depend on how good is the game made n how powerful the mechine rendering the Graphic....

In PC... say some game, some version use 3-4CDs.. where another version can be only 1DVD.. the outcome of the game are identical to each other.. U can install ur PC with a HDDVD drive anytime and even a game in HDDVD and it still make the same thing for u.. ur game still having the same output for u...

that why console is far far diffrent than PC..PC depents ur GC power...Console Depents ur HD or blue ray Disk power

XBOX360 dun have any Graphic card..WHy it can so pretty? in PC world HD-DVD is cd stroage but in console world HD-DVD is thier graphic nice or not nice le.......Xbox360 it just using HD-DVD Tech clear view plys it 10GHZ processor to make entie games works.....IF Console got GC with 10GHz processor...u can go into 4D world alrady...LOL!!

so this 2 cannot compare to each other~~~

This post has been edited by RegentCid: Jan 22 2008, 11:46 PM

actually standard X360 runs with a regular DVD drive only...Nobody complained about it...well some did but when the games came out...they more than made up for it...its not about the format.

XboX 360 runs HD-DVD lar

ur statement doesn't make much sense....

PS2 in it's early stage have a lot of games still in CD form.. the graphics are same with the same title in DVD form.... the only problem for the CD is it store much less data than the DVD...

it will be the same for 360/PS3.. if the console can support DVD in game title, the outcome will be still equivalent to the same game title make in HD/BR....

saya tergelak sampai tergolek-golek...

kid, u have to understand what is Video format first.. n those video format use in HDDVD/BRDisc, 720p/1080p... doesn't apply to a Data Disc(game disc)....

ur statement will be only corrent for those disc in Video Format....

WHy ps1 and PS2 graphic so many diffrent..Both no GC...IT because the CD diffrent only.......DVD is much higher space compare to CD that why it can make more detail stuff into it~~~~MOre detail stuff = more Pretty Graphic it can goes~~~ DO PS2 got Graphic card...Answer is NO!! That why in console world CD /DVD /HD-DVD/Blue-ray is thier Graphic Card!!! SO it cannot compare to PC..PC have GC

i smell bullshit

i think they are different at all, xbox & ps3 which are using cell processor and while PC are using x86 architecture, which i think shall be diff machine language and so on...
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showd...spx?i=2379&p=13
refer the link for more info about cell processor...
consoles also have their own ram & hdd for ur info, just same as PC, Xbox have 3 cell processor...

This post has been edited by lichyetan: Jan 22 2008, 11:54 PM

I am patiently trying to explain to u where u are wrong.... but u seem to not understand...

u didn't read I telling u in the early day PS2 still have a lot of title in CD form??

nevermind la.. I see the way u answer..

Dude HD DVD is an add on for XBOX360...so far all games made are normal DVD only..

BTW a mistake by myself...the XBOX360 actually uses an ATI Xenos GPU architecture...not a 7800GTX..

EDIT : Bloody hell its the PS3 hat uses the NVIDIA RSX GPU which is assumed to be a 7800GTX!!!

This post has been edited by frags: Jan 22 2008, 11:57 PM

ROFL

i think xbox and ps3 work almost same as pc, they got their own cell processor to process date fetch from data from the roms... just the cell processor are processing more thread then regular PC so i think probably tht makes the graphic processing smoother than regular PC.. while regular PC are using Graphic card to calculate the graphic data while CPU calc others such as physic and AI...

Xbox and Ps3 simpler OS which specific for gaming also make it faster then PC OS which consumes ram and also meant for office applications

This post has been edited by lichyetan: Jan 22 2008, 11:58 PM

of course u cannot do a direct comparison from a PC to a Console...

game in console doens't need to go through another layer of kernal compare to a PC... which u can see a up to date PC which is much much more superior to a PS2 also may face speed problem while running a PS2 game...

My point to him is.. the different kind of disc use .. have only capacity different.. nothing to do with which have more superior graphic compare to each other...

agree with u... due to OS also compare to console, we cannot compare them as they are built for diff purpose...

dis spec of pc sure can pwn anytime..........


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Asus MotherBoard support 2 LGA 775 Socket Processor
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Corsair Dominator Twin3X2048-1800C7DF DDR3 1800 7-7-7-20 2GB (2x4units)
Allngap Ram Blower (2 units)
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Logitech G9 Laser Gaming Mouse + Razer Mouse Pad
Logitech ChillStream Controller
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Super High speed Internet

This post has been edited by amd_hardcore: Jan 23 2008, 12:01 AM

one of the major different is Game maker only have to make the game and program the graphic level optimum to the specific console.... where in PC.. every single PC can be different....

ya, i think major diff are their software optimization... processing power i think pc are better

can't stop laughing.. dude you really crack me up at this hour.

i tot x box 360 has onboard custom ATI Graphic...

hahahhaha... really funnay la regentcid.

yes in terms of raw power PC is definetely the leader...but game optimisation for consoles is always...easier and better...since its the same system world wide...but for PC developers have to make it scalable for PC like 2 years old etc...

screw this:

PC can play CS, while Xbox360/Ps3 can't

No the cell processor isn't more powerful, it's just that it's priorities lies elsewhere, where else a PC can run GP code and let the OS sort out shit and the processor handle itself, the Cell is harder to program for as it trades die space for pure FPU performance. Think of it as an idiot that can run 60kmph easily but won't stop if a car is heading his way. It requires more handholding, more optimization and certainly more programming time. No, even the PS3 has it's own dedicated GPU, which is a geforce 7900 Equivalent.

PROTIP : The PS3 looks good because it's games have low native resolutions and then are upscaled. And code is more streamlined on the developers part.

Some rendering is hardware limited in form, it's obvious that the 8800 series will beat the 7900 series in the PS3 in terms of qualitative rendering, no amount of fancy programming can push hardware limitations, although you can trick the end user or implement more costly forms of rendering at high perf hit levels.

If you must know, a 2k PC can beat a 2k PS3 soundly. The end.

Fun factor is still at debate, i've had alot of fun with a Wii and it has totally rubbish specs.

finally pro come and explained... looks like its programming tht makes the diff mostly... pc are more clever machine.. lol

This post has been edited by lichyetan: Jan 23 2008, 12:20 AM

I dunno i should laugh or cry about his explanation. roflcopter

When a PC runs multiple threads, the OS or Windows generally schedules it, and the processor breaks it down and reschedules it more for superior performance.

This doesn't happen on the PS3 or the Xbox360, all threads have to be preprogrammed, preassigned, preoptimized and such, that's why the best games that a console has to offer usually comes out a year or two after the console is released, because all the burden of extracting performance from the code is put on the shoulder of the programmer rather than the chip designer.

A simple analogy would be in the PC

3 Threads are asked to be run at the same time. Any 3 threads lah, random, say one is program A, and the other 2 thread is from other programs B and C

1) OS Schedules threads, sends threads 1 and 2 to Core1 and thread 3 to Core2
2) Processor buffers instructions, schedules and rearranges the instructions.
3) Processor dispatches for processing.
4) Result.


In say the Xbox360.

There are 3 threads now from 1 program. But remember, there's no fancy PC scheduling here.

So,

1) Programmer assigns Thread 1, 2 and 3 to Cores 1, 2 and 3
2) Programmer optimizes code that best suits the Xbox processor
3) Programmer factors in branching, nests and other code conditions
4) Programmer tests the code and reoptimizes it
5) Load into game and Xbox360 processor


TL:DR, PCs can run alot of unoptimized code and differnet programs well without issue. This is great for multiple use or general purpose machines like most comps are.

Consoles can only reach their maximum potential with very optimized code and alot of programming. Great for single purpose machines, like the Xbox which is for entertainment only, not work.

@empire23

the godlike in computers and electronics

@regentCid

hmm kiddo.. wither ur high with gaming or just hmm crapping all the way.. LOL cant help laugh to the Description of processors lol. Thats Legend man

here comes the pro FTW...!!!

hmmm, learn alot from u bro... so in simple way means in PC, we got OS act like a car driver driving a car to its destination, same as OS do, scheduling and dividing jobs for processor's execution through memory and so on... while on a Xbox platform, all must be spoon feeded by a programmer to optimize it, so xbox is just executing a preprogrammed software... am i right?

This post has been edited by lichyetan: Jan 23 2008, 12:39 AM

@lich
future godlike hmmm i am noob in all this leh. You must teach me

still got lotsa thing to learn... we learn together with empire23, the real pro...

Thanks for giving comments guys..
But none of you are giving the answer??
I know that a high end PC can win the xbox360 easily..
I just wanna know from you guys' point of view..
the 'performance' of 360 is equivalent to what type of PC configuration (processer, graphic card, etc,etc) ??
arghhhh!!

certain part xbox 360 beat pc, however PC component always up to date, plus xbox 360 wear n tear faster than PC, dunno why
erm rm2500-3500 pc price maybe same performance with xbox, but lots of advantage to pc la,


funny post of the month


in that case i bought blu ray disc for pc for playing game, so i get better graphic playing game,

HDDVD/Bluray is an upgrade from cd/dvd for data storage, if u wan to see movie with high quality one,
high qualty vid need more,

i think u dont understand bout cd/dvd/HDdvd drive and graphic processor

in gaming u cant compare the game graphics(execute data) with movie's (Picture)

so tell me, whats da difference if bought PS3 DVD with PS3 CD (3 cd required), i get better graphic or i hav to change 2nd/3rd cd to play da game

This post has been edited by ryugan: Jan 23 2008, 11:33 AM

For everything you got...WIKIPEDIA!!

XBOX360

Summary XBOX360->
Custom triple core (not the same core as dual cores in PC) processor from IBM 3.2GHz
500Mhz ATI graphics card, 90nm process, with a daughter die(?) attached
512 MB Memory clocked at 1.4 GHz. However this memory is shared by GPU & CPU

As you can see the architecture is very different from a computer...so i cant tell you what the equivalent of a PC, yet. Later i do a little more research then i'll post an equivalent. IN the meantime you can read the wiki =)

anyway..both are design for different usage.. as those guy said.
however, through anandtech website (which gien by one of the guy above):




AnandTech

yet this article wrote in March 17th, 2005.

This post has been edited by stanley85: Jan 23 2008, 01:00 PM

yes Stanley, thanks. But I just wanna know the performance of the configuration of 360 is equivalent to which PC configuration?
I mean the estimation. No one tried to estimate it. Thanks for giving 360's configuration guys. sigh

oh well, sad. my bad duh.
anyway..the anadtech web should clear your doubt.. no?

hehe.. havent watch it.. my bad..
i'll look at it..

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Added on January 23, 2008, 1:08 pmThanks!


This post has been edited by hazairi: Jan 23 2008, 01:08 PM

ahh damn.. this is tOO much if only wanna pawn xbox 360
for sure..

it's like comparing an elephant and a whale......superpower but on different platform

ermmm....my dvd case is small....i only need a single dvd for my xbox360 rather than 4 dvds for a game....no install2 no waste of time, no worries of hdd space and so on.............performance wise, time wise, money wise and many2 wise....xbox 360 wins...

Since no one seems to have actually answered the original question, i would put the 360's hardware performance as such:

GPU - R580 clocked at about 400-450mhz
CPU - Core 2 duo, around 2.4-2.8ghz

kthxbai.

mmg pelik betui....ikan dan ayam pun main game...........

Thanks!

what's wrong with u, TS

Nothing wrong with me.. Everything's cool..
just want some opinions, that's all..

Craps....

For me i think pc is too complicated in hardware and software form made gaming is not as efficient as console which is built for gaming.Pc os alredi making the game is not as smooth as what u can see the diffrent in vista and xp. And 1 more thing the driver is play the important rule in pc too.But in console all is unified.So the game producer can fully ultize the hardware in console. But in pc diffrent hardware diff os diff driver.

pc quality may vary due to proc update, ram, gc etc...
while Xbox360 are fixed with everythng in it so can we compare them??

TS , how about comparing games ?

Since both plaform have the same game Gears of war , why dont you guys state out what is the min spec that can play the game in high settings with a constant framerate of at least 60?

Since console are made to have 60 FPS , then apply this to pc too

Well , i cant give opinion because i am using 8600 GT with duo core 2.0 , and have the gears running at most at 40 FPS and most of the time drop to 17 FPS

This is indeed playable , but its lag...........

Put aside games like crysis , only focus on games out on both platform

I know people are going to argue about the games on difference platform are totally difference , but whats the point knowing what spec equivalent to 360?

Its the games we are talking about, and surely , even you know that , you will need more juice to play games smoothly on pc even if they are the same game on difference platform.

I wonder where you get your ideas about consoles from...

I thought GoW on X360 running at 30 FPS?

For X360, Microsoft requires the games to have 30 FPS minimum. So the console is not designed for 60 FPS.

Consoles have fixed HW, so in time the dev will probably optimize what they can put in the games - better coding = better performance.

Anyway, for TS:-
Processor -> Tri-Core Power-PC @ 3.2GHz each w/ 2 threads. Faster than Core 2 Duo, I think.(Notice that current Core2Duo proc has 1 thread for each core only)

GFX: Probably based on ATi 1900XT, but customized with eD-RAM. According to MS, it enables free 4xAA. But in reality, 10 MB of eDRAM is not enough to support 4xAA @ 720p resolution.

RAM: 512MB GDDR3 RAM - less than PC's, hence there's some low-res texture in games. It's used as main RAM and Graphic RAM.

Hah! For me XBOX n PS3 or console so ever are crap
me better spend thousands more for PC upgrades
Pc = many thing u can do with it
Xbox?= just like my old mario bros game cartridge console..finish play,throw it a way
even my 7 years old younger brother play pc games..so he can learn the computer technology..
if he play PS2/PS3/XBOX??finally..he throw it away

This post has been edited by PGV3910: Jan 28 2008, 01:20 PM

Oh is it 30 ?

Because the Modern warfare are said to have constend of 60 on both 360 and ps3 , anyway , we wont see a difference between 30 and 60

Well , the question comes back

What min spec is required to play Gears , Blacksite , Stranglehold etc at min 30 fps?

Well , for those who have 8800 GT , is it enough? or 8800 GTX Sli is needed( I think this is way too high )?

As for ram and the processor etc......

Well , what he said is not entirely wrong

Storage is a factor for gaming.

More storage means we can store higher resolution texture , better sound etc , therefore the outcome is better.

I understand why he said that , because i have seen the video provided , and it is a little bit of misleading for noob .....

Anyway , as long as the processors can handle the job , the graphic will be nice

Lol, how can I miss that post..

Anyway, X360 doesn't use HD-DVD as their storage for games. It's still using DVD.

Ya , for the time being.

Anyway , a dvd 9 is enough for most games.

It's like asking, Calculator vs PC. which is better?

Calculator:
1. You only have to press the 'on' button, then can use already
2. Can run on batteries
3. Fit in pocket
4. Calculates quickly
5. Finger operated.


PC:
1. Have to switch on, then wait 1 minute boot time, then log in, wait again for screen to load, then click start->programs->accessories->calculator!
2. Need to be plugged into wall socket (we're talking PC here)
3. Large and bulky.
4. Calculates quickly
5. Need sepparate input device, and output device.

So? Who wins? and What PC spec matches a calculator?

PS2 uses graphic synthesizer
PS3 uses NVidia RSX graphics

WHo says consoles have got not graphic cards??

The processor is not faster than a Core2Duo. The cores are only 2 issue in order. C2D is a 4 issue out of order core which is really beefy. In most things the C2D would probably win out quite easily.
About the graphics and all, my earlier post already described it.


No one designs games to work at a constant frame rate, because that would be just retarded and you're probably just underutilizing the hardware most of the time because you'd just be capping the frame rate.

ok. page 4 already. what's the point of this discussion?

understanding consoles?

or just having grounds to say "oh my PC pwnz your console"?

because really, i don't think it's going anywhere. better off comparing Xbox vs PS3 vs Wii or something (oh no, another brand war. as if Intel vs AMD, nVidia vs ATi, Canon vs Nikon is not enough)

it no way to compare between the two....different platform TS, if u still want to compare, 360 wins big time

games for xbox are catered specifically for them
but for pc, developer goes for latest tech
u cant really compare pc & xbox

At this very time, a rm1500 pc (exclude the monitor) can easily win 360..
Can it?

oh dear not again lolz

1) 360 is 4 the ones who is poor ass that cant even afford a 300 bucks GC
2) PC is 4 the ones who is rich that can afford upgrades evry 3 mths 2 enjoy all latest technology

whaddaya say pal

This post has been edited by skylinegtr34rule4life: Feb 2 2008, 11:56 AM

too many off topics, too many idiotic comparison, too many fanboys here
for anyone of you that just keep bashing only PC is good in gaming because it delivers orgasm graphics, while console is crap because can't upgrade bla bla bla , or vice versa, you aren't really into maturity of a gamer

of course a console will not able to do office works (PS3 is an exception), but what was the console's initial purpose?

remember, the world's first gaming console predates even the IBM PC

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Added on February 2, 2008, 12:44 pmur post will certainly knock off some fanboys head in console couch

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Added on February 2, 2008, 12:51 pmlegendary.... uber legendary... u must not be an engineer for humankind's wellbeing

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Feb 2 2008, 12:51 PM

Yes but the worlds first video game predates that gaming console SInce the existence of some form of computer, there has always been people coding games on them. Whether it was meant for it or not simply because they thought it was 'cool' that the computer could do that.

Well , not really

If you compare games that made for both platform , i think this is a good way to compare

For an example , gears of war...

What is the min spec to play GOW smoothly with the same graphic settings? And with the same resolution?

I think this is the best way to compare , of course , we are considering other games as well , such as blacksite , stranglehold etc...

this topic shouldn't exist

And care to explain me the reason?

basically, dis topic is apple vs. orange......................=.=
u get the point..............

This post has been edited by tech3910: Nov 15 2008, 04:49 PM

LOL! LOL!
Btw xbox360 is good choice if want totally gaming as the game programming is specially design to the xbox360 platform.
But when come to IQ + Gaming.PC will serve.
IMO, pc facing driver issue more.That why the effieciency is so low.And beside that the resolution used in pc is very big compare to console.