No one blast anyone, just one must be realistic.

There is no such thing of maximising your return rate, (the sky is limit) if keep on thinking on it (how to maximise your return or gain), then 99% people can assure that you are maximising your loss only.

Greed is the ultimate enemy of investment.

Current global financial crisis root problem is greed.

i have the theoretical knowledge about some investment types of shares, futures, options, foreign exchange unit trust.

some investment types i have not learned or am not notified about, but i am willing to learn.

my basic question is i really want to know which type gives the highest ROI (if i invest RM1 at that investment type, it gives the highest percentage of return compared to other types of investment)??

oops i refer some only. not u offcoz, so far u r the kindness sifoo around ...

My suggestion,
Go to buy big sweep or Toto, Rm 1 or 2 can win ten of millions, fullfill your requirement of maximisation of return rate while can lose every single cent (not kena, then loss all).

Your requirement being matched!

7K is not money meh? why want to lose every single cent of it?

It is those tiny bit and then accumulated that make one rich, no one is rich or wealthy overnight.

LOL. then y are u here if u are not greedy???

every1 here wants to learn how to invest and see how people invest.

but what is that for?? so that they can invest next time.

my conscience overcede my greed, if not i would have rob banks...

btw, pls answer my questions, not critise or create questions out of questions.

theory alone not enough, when it come to practical it will be different story. even experience trader also loss $$$.
but I think u shld patient and dont aiming so high 1st. for ur question, what do u think mr. cherroy?

ok. my wrong in the making the question. i want to control risk, not let risk to control me. BUT i am a risk taker.

i am willing to lose 7k cause i still young, willing to lose money so that next time can earn super lots of money.

i know accumulation makes one rich. but reinvestment makes one even richer. take example of warren bufett.

Because your question can't be answered, as there is no such thing of maximising the return rate, as sky is the limit as said.
You can have only Rm1K capital, you can trade until 10K, 100K or even more if you dare, but you have bare the consequences.

People invest in stock market (can be others investment, but this thread more on stock), want to gain some return rate which can be potential much better than FD or other alternative investment target, as simple as that.

that is y many young ppl tend to do mistake. if mr. cherroy idea no gud.
i suggest u go genting casino take risk la and have fun thr.

many ppl like to take buffet as an example, perhaps if u r living during that era can la now 21 century diff oredy.

ok one more think, I think ur question cant be answer. if that ppl can answer ur question he/she is better than buffet and king of stock trading

This post has been edited by aoisky: Dec 9 2008, 03:54 PM

That's why I said must be realistic.

Just like one just starting working, then already say I want to be millionaires or billionaires, and ask people how to do it (which quite common in this forum as well, no offence), need to say or ask such question?

Better learn and working hard for it. It is ok to be ambitious but must realistic and work for it.

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Added on December 9, 2008, 3:55 pmPeople always stated Warren Buffet as example but not even 0.0000000001% people want to emulate his investment philosophy.
Warrent Buffet never think of how to maximise his return rate, he merely invested in some investment target that he see is valuable for the longer term future.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Dec 9 2008, 03:55 PM

illidanleong:
no such hurry, why dun take some of ur $ to UT,
if u really interested in stock try do some research here may b u can get answer ur question?

http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/market_information/

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Added on December 9, 2008, 3:55 pm

i didnt ask questions like how to make millions and billions, i just said how to max ROI. anyway, i got ur answer.

btw, cherroy, wad u think about futures? i kinda love it, after first lecture about futures.

also, long term or short term investment gives higher return, if liquidity is not a problem?

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Added on December 9, 2008, 4:03 pmthanks, but i look through those sites before already. i doesnt help.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Dec 9 2008, 04:07 PM

Futures can be good if you know what you are doing and hedging purposes. But it can be high risk trade as well. You use around RM5k to trade some contract that worth 20x of your 5K, ie. leveraging. Leveraging is a double-edged sword as seen by recent global financial crisis.

Statistically, long term provide better return most of the time, but if you mindset is to 'maximise' then I can tell you won't be investing for long term.

You need to learn capital preservation as well which is the key to make one successful in investment.

One day gain 7K using 7K, then next day lose 7K again with those high risk trade, then why bother to trade in the first place? You are trying to raise your broker family only. <-- no offence to any broker.
If you can't perserve or intend to preserve your capital then it is very hard to have a net gain over the long term. You net gain come whatever extra or more than your initial capital, get what I mean?

i know wad u mean.

pls comment on my long term and short term example is correct.

short term

if i invest RM1 for 1day, i get back RM1, total gain = RM1. capital +gain = RM2

long term

i invest RM1 for 100days, i get back RM120.

but if i use the long term to become short term investment. example, day 1 i invest RM1, day 2 RM2, day 3 RM3, and so on.

this carry on effect (reinvest gains) will provide a higher gain correct?

so short term is better if i reinvest my gains? or long term is better in both reinvest gains and just one shot long term RM1 for 100days?


or my example of long term investment is wrong, as in the returns are too little?

This post has been edited by illidanleong: Dec 9 2008, 04:31 PM

Short term is about few days to few months. Long term people talk about 2-3 years and above.

On perfect situation, yes, but how do you make sure everytime you will win, won't lose?

I can list out a lot of people experience that roughly like that, you invest 100, you gain Rm2 tomorrow, then take 102 to invest then gain until 105, sound good, then one day you make a wrong trade, loss 10, become 95.

erm, where to buy futures?

i am a student, not working.

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Added on December 9, 2008, 4:53 pmyes. i cant make sure i will win everytime. thats y research is required to fully take acount of all the variables. like will i gain if i reinvest the gains, how much will i gain, will that gain be higher than the long term gains. etc..

so long and short term has its pros and cons

This post has been edited by illidanleong: Dec 9 2008, 04:53 PM

<<yes. i cant make sure i will win everytime. thats y research is required to fully take acount of all the variables. like will i gain if i reinvest the gains, how much will i gain, will that gain be higher than the long term gains. etc..

so long and short term has its pros and cons>>

Sounds like fairy tale If you can predict the future better don need to study go the trade better

This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 9 2008, 05:07 PM

exactly, if i know then i wouldnt be here asking questions also...

There are no formula for you to make sure you can gain in every trade you do ..
If your investment can give you good returns it is advisable do not switch to other as it may be an bad apple ... Frequent trading will kill your wealth unless you are a very experience good trader.....

This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 9 2008, 05:15 PM

Actually people with all the knowledge from the book might loss all when they come to reality world.
Prudent investor try locate underestimate company and grow with them.
Aggressive investor try to trade and earn the difference.
Moderate one do both.
I just a bit curious about you now, because you just look like myself during my u days.
Mind me to offer you some advice, though that might not be useful at all
Keep the money and do some paper trading instead, you might not earn anything but experience, but the bottom line is: you won't loss anything except your own time.
Trading is similar to gambling sometime, and that's highly addictive, too.
Always trade with cool head, if what you want is to get very rich very fast, I can tell you only a few on the earth can do it (perhaps you are one of them, I reserve my opinion on that).
Good luck on your trade and may god bless you.